Cinecast Episode 500 – You’re On Your Own From Here…

Ten damn years! The Cinecast has been around for ten years totaling (more than) 500 episodes. We’ve argued over, bickered about, tongue-bathed, laughed about and quoted movies for close to 2000 recorded hours. We’ve made loads of new friends, lost loved ones, earned degrees, visited other continents, entered the covenant of marriage, written books, attended countless festivals, interviewed celebrities and even starred in a couple of low budget films in that time. And the amount of alcohol consumed… I don’t even want to think about it. We have some of the most devoted listeners in podcasting and I have to believe we’re in the running for most hours recorded of one series in the history of podcasting at this point. Therefore, of course we have a good hour of reminiscing and say thanks to a few important folks. But as we hit this momentous milestone we, for the most part, treat it like any other episode except for one big in-house announcement. We have three theatrical reviews: Thor: Ragnorak, The Killing of a Sacred Deer and Murder on the Orient Express. Then we take some time to look back at the year that is 2017 which of course includes a top five list. We also fulfill on a years-old promise (or at least half of it) with a retro-review of Tyrannosaur in return for a generous donation from listener Len Fearnside.

This is The Cinecast 500. Yes, have some.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

We’re now available on Google Play!

 

 
 


TIME TRACKS:

Opening: 0:00 – 6:37
In-House Announcement: 6:38 – 14:18
Reminiscing: 14:19 – 1:14:43
Thank You: 1:14:44 – 1:22:57
Intermission: 1:22:56 – 1:25:15
Thor: Ragnorak (SPOILERS!): 1:25:15 – 1:44:50
The Killing of a Sacred Deer (SPOILERS!): 1:44:51 – 2:07:49
Murder on the Orient Express (SPOILERS!): 2:07:51 – 2:22:47
Donation Requested Review: Tyrannosaur: 2:22:49 – 2:54:15
Looking back at 2017: 2:54:22 – 3:55:03
Top 5 Reviews: 3:55:05 – 4:13:05
Outro/Goodbyes: 4:13:07 – 4:20:08
Closing Music: 4:16:37 – 4:22:19
– Quick message from listener Sean Kelly
– One last thank you

 

MAIN REVIEWS:

Thor: Ragnorak
The Killing of a Sacred Deer
Murder on the Orient Express

 

2017:

– sexual harassment accusations
– – Dolby cinema
– – the art of trailer mixing
– a bad/good year in movies?
– John Denver
– 16mm
– climate change
– parents killing their children
– Churchill
– the stupidity of studio releases
– cyber-punk
– technology reversal
– Netflix
– Franchises rebrand after a villain’s name
– looking forward to the rest of the year
– 3D going away

 

OTHER THINGS:

10+ Years Later: 28 WEEKS LATER Has A Fierce Bite
Jim Laczkowski has some nice words about The Cinecast

 

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Rolf
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I am heartbroken and crushed. The best movie podcast ends just like that. Didn’t see that coming at all. I am endlessly grateful for all your efforts but man… I am speechless… this is even worse than the events of 2016…
Thanks again. You made me a better movie-person.

So there is only one last thing to say

“cheers”

devolutionary
Guest

Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Didn’t really start posting until a couple years after becoming a regular listener. Lots has definitely changed but it’s actually the back-and-forth banter, not just the reviews, that kept me coming back. Something simply gets lost in translation (Kurt pronunciations et al), when reading a movie review. If Film Junk is a pulp paperback, Cinecast is a Thomas Pynchon novel.
You guys definitely made the work hours more enjoyable and expanded my movie watching.

Kurt
Guest

This is wonderful to hear. I’ll take the book comparison! Bravo!

Andrew James
Admin

The day the Cinecast died. “Worse than that time Trump was elected president.”

lol. Thanks!

Markus Krenn
Guest

This is a sad moment……

Thanks for all the entertaining years

Ultimo Lee
Guest

I was not expecting this today…wow

I started listening in 2009-2010 after the Filmjunk guys mentioned you. My first thought after listening for 5 minutes? FUCK this guy & this podcast and didn’t listen again for 3 or 4 months. In what i now know as a very un-Andrew thing to do he was on full rant “Fuck You” mode after some people the previous week had moaned about spoilers.

Since then i doubt i’ve missed an episode. you’ve helped me find so many films (finally got around to watching Birth, Sunshine & Rachel Getting Married this year) i’ll miss the tangents/laying the world to rights, Kurts mispronunciation of names, Matt’s anger over very little and when that once in awhile a film really pisses Andrew off.

It’s going to be odd not knowing what you guys think of a certain film through out the year 🙁 this podcast has helped cheer me up in some very dark moments in my life, so a big thank you.

Best of luck in the future

Kurt
Guest

I am sure you will find us in other venues talking about movies, only not as regularly as the Cinecast was over its 11.5 year run. Cheers and thanks for listening and all the participation, Ultimolee!

Craig
Guest

Ultimo Lee’s description of how he got into the Cinecast is very close to mine. I’ll miss the show, never more so than when it comes to the end of year with the epic show.

Also, being from outside North America, I always liked the TIFF/Fantasia round ups so I could keep a note of stuff that we generally get a few months later.

Cheers.

Courtney Small
Guest

Sad to see both the show and the site go, but it has been a pleasure reading and listening to your stuff over the years. Your lengthy Cinecast episodes in particular have gotten me through many hours at work. All the best in your future endeavors!

rot
Guest

I suggest you shut it all down but reopen comments on the Catfish thread and come back in ten years and see what happened.

Thanks for the decade guys, it was a blast.

rot
Guest

…and to end just when you got the web design finally right. 🙂

Kurt
Guest

I still have fond memories of the initial design, kind of a like a hefty wooden desk in a room full of books.

rot
Guest

I don’t even remember, I need a photo.

Kurt
Guest

I bet I have one somewhere, I used to love how the colour template matched so nicely with skintones (which is in almost all of the post images.)

Andrew James
Admin

I actually have screen shots from that initial site design. I’ll see if I can find them later tonight and post them here (in the show notes above).

Jandy Hardesty
Guest

I dunno if it was the original one, but the shades of brown one that it was in 2008/2009 was the one that hooked me. Sometimes I wonder if I was initially drawn to my current semi-regular venue Flickchart because of its similar mahogany/brown color scheme. Sorry to see the site/show go, and I’m equally sorry I haven’t been around to contribute to its demise. Wait, that came out wrong.

Andrew James
Admin

I added a screenshot to the show notes above. It’s not the oldest oldest version but it still goes pretty far back.

Jandy Hardesty
Guest

Not the earliest; I helped design that one. 🙂

devolutionary
Guest

That’s actually way better than I remember. Pretty good design for the late aughts. This final iteration isn’t all that different.

rot
Guest

Just bring back the original design and do Supertickets every couple months, is my opinion, ever so humbly.

How are you not going to review Rian Johnson’s movie! I’m slowly processing this.

Andrew James
Admin

https://letterboxd.com/Andrew_James/

It will be there by Friday morning – December 15th.

Kurt
Guest

Ahh! Sweet memories of colour gradients.

Corey Pierce
Guest

RIP CINECAST
RIP ROWTHREE

At least we made it almost until the end of the world!

Thomas Wishloff
Guest

Thanks for the years of great content guys. Writing this while a little misty eyed from the first thirty minutes or so. Good luck in all of your future ventures.

Andrew Robinson
Guest

Hey,

Long Time First Time….

It’s weird how Kurt and I talked about the idea of ending long running podcasts just a year ago and here it is. Ep #500 (I’m just over half way there with my show) and they finally call it quits. Never did the whole comment thing (because Kurt got all my tweets) but damn. Another site closing up shop. Will miss the sweet tones of Andrew’s voice and Kurt telling me to watch weirder movies, even though I think my movie watching got weird long ago.

Stefan
Guest

Thank You for 500 Episodes and countless hours of free entertainment!

Aaron
Guest

I’m sad to hear that the show and website are ending! The Cinecast was one of the first podcasts I ever listened to. I started back in 2007 and have been listening consistently ever since. You guys have had some of the most interesting, insightful, and fun discussions about movies that I’ve ever heard. I’ll miss all the tangents, in-jokes, arguments, and camaraderie. The show has really meant a lot to me, so thank you for all the effort you’ve put into it.

Robert+Reineke
Guest

Obviously, I’ll join the chorus in saying that it’s hard to say goodbye. You guys have been constant audio companions for years.

But 500 episodes and 10 years is a more than respectable run. If you’re going out on your own terms, without going in a noticeable decline phase, then more power to you.

You’ll be missed. But thanks for all the laughs and more thoughtful bits of insight over the years. It’s been a real pleasure.

Antho42
Guest

Big part of my podcast consumption. Andrew’s and Matt Gamble’s carefree, slacker lifestyle help me out in becoming an adult. I felt like a failure career wise,right after college (especially since.i went to undergradute right after the financial crisis) . Had anxiety that I was not keeping up with my peers, especially since I am a first generation Mexican from a blue collar family. However, via indirect means, you two seem to be living the good life –or at least projecting it. It was awesome how you two went back to school to change careers in your late 30’s early 40’s. It is very optimistic. Also, not to be judgemental, but I found it interesting that Kurt, who is upper middle class, did not have an issue hanging out with smart but slacker individuals. After all, one of my fears is that my family members and friends will look down on me for not living expectations. Thought me that class snobbery is ridiculous concept to hold. Furthermore, Kurt makes the bougy lifestyle appealing and not be ashamed of if one archives it. Going to film festivals all over the world while still maintaining a good family sounds like an amazing lifestyle. In short, Cinecast was like Top Gear. Films (like the cars in Top Gun) were less important than the chemistry and outlooks of the hosts. Anyways, thanks for the podcast and have good luck with your future ventures. Long live Cinecast!!!

Kurt
Guest

We had a blast having you on THE MOVIE CLUB, Antho! Glad M&A could help out with the anxiety, this might have been the best thing the CINECAST did over its 11 year run! Glad you are well.

Sean+Kelly
Guest

There’s been a domino effect lately of sites I was involved with going under this year….

I believe in a roundabout way, it was Toronto After Dark that brought me to Row Three back in late 2011. So, that means I have been around for just about half of Row Three’s existence.

Pretty much, as a result of joining the Row Three community, I’ve become real life friends with Kurt Halfyard, Corey Pierce, and others and I will definitely miss being the de facto fact checker and correcting Kurt everytime he says something incorrect.

I have firsthand experience at how hard it is to keep a website running for a decade. SK on Movies is now 13 years old and part of reason that I keep doing it is that it is outlet for my thoughts and opinions and I generally don’t care if anyone reads what I write (and I’m amazed when people recognize me on the street).

Well, good luck with all your future endeavors.

filmstache
Guest

Tighten up you panties boys,
Cinecast,
I feel like my parents are getting divorced all over again. I have so many great memories of building my movie collection solely on podcast recommendations. I have countless movies to watch because of you guys. I even have a copy of Bottle Shock I was going to have you sign some day.
I will miss Kurt’s endless reviews of movies he didn’t see while Andrew patiently waits. I will miss all the empty promises i.e. the spaghetti western marathon, or the season 3 Fargo review, that kept me coming back for more.
But mostly I will miss the shoot-the-shit-endless-watchlist episodes that made my week.
By the way, the way you guys review I never once felt you spoiled anything and those that did are big babies.

P.S. Blockbuster was way better, people are stupid.

Cheers

Kurt
Guest

It must be said that Andrew settling on that ‘Out of Sight’ opener around episode 250-300 was genius. I loved, loved, the way that opened the show.

Kurt
Guest

Oh, and direct message us on Twitter or FB, and mail that Bottle Shock DVD out to Andrew, he’ll sign it mail it to me, and and post it back to you. Also, I will take take pictures for good measure and post them somewhere! #BottleShock4Life

Nat
Guest

Sad to see you guys go — I started listening frequently in 2010, referred from Film Junk, and Gamble scared me. However, I continued to listen and came to develop an appreciation for, among other things, Kurt’s ability to mine wisdom from even the most insignificant films; Andrew’s ability to instigate fights and then diffuse them (and come out unscathed); and Gamble’s sustained apoplexy. Good, bad, and often creepy, Cinecast was the most passionate film podcast out there.

In no small part you guys led to me meeting and making real-life friends with Jim L, whom I probably see the most consistently, as well as Robert Reineke, with whom I do the Still Watching the Skies podcast that Matt consistently forgets to fucking mention (see you and your [clearly] better half next month for our Secret Santa Special).

Loved doing the British microcasts with Kurt, too — especially Pride & Prejudice, which featured the lovely Laura Jane! (And Kurt, I’ll be in touch [hopefully soon] so we can schedule Blackadder).

And Andrew, thanks for always replying no matter how many times I emailed you with the same questions regarding recording setup.

It’s always been a pleasure listening to you fellows.

Top 5 Cinecast Moments:
5. The Kickass argument pitting Kurt & Matt against Jay.
4. The Sansa-rape debate/screaming match.
3. Any time Andrew demonstrated a vast and comprehensive knowledge of the adult-film industry (usually unprompted).
2. A bit self-serving, but I greatly enjoyed hearing you read/react to my final first homework assignment.
1. Drunk Kurt predicting/demanding, in vivid detail, the appearance of Robin Wright’s genitalia in House of Cards. (The one Kurt prediction that didn’t come true.)

Also greatly enjoyed the Miller’s Crossing thread, which, every year, kept getting resurrected (and which opened up an entirely new dimension to the film to Kurt).

The Room 237 Thread where one of the Matts…possibly..maybe Rot (I forget) and I got into a debate about a 45-minute YouTube video regarding Kubrick and the gold standard.

But glad to hear that the Movie-Club Podcast may be returning — if you ever need a guest, I’d be happy to join!

Craig
Guest

The who GOT rape argument was great, Kurt getting banned from The Mary Sue was hilarious.

I also prefer Doomsday to MMFR like Andrew does. The Black & Chrome version improves MM, but the regular version doesn’t do much for me.

Andrew James
Admin

DoomsdayBetterThanFuryRoad is a no-brainer in my opinion. The action is varied, the story is better, the characters are more interesting and has better actors… and it’s not static. MMFR is fine, I quite enjoy it, but all that orange and the exact same type of action for 100 minutes just gets stale.

Doomsday has horses, sports cars, trains, the circus cannibals scene, the gladiator sequence, the hum-vee expedition, the auto-turrets, the archers/medievel scene, zombies, high-tech military and Bob Hoskins. It’s just much more exciting and varied – without being a mess. The mediocre reviews just baffle me… unless people simply think it’s too goofy and the MMFR circle-jerk is because it’s “cool” for some reason.

Neil Marshall for life.

Nat
Guest

I have not seen Doomsday, but I feel I can objectively say that Fury Road is better. #internetarguing

Also, Andrew, based on your comments regarding the end of Murder on the Orient Express, do you/did you believe that all murder-mystery movies have multiple endings? #pleasesayyes

Andrew James
Admin

No I knew that they did not. I just thought that maybe this particular one did since there are so many iterations of it. I don’t mind seeing a movie in which I know the outcome (Titanic is the obvious example). But it seems like a murder mystery is different in that trying to solve it yourself based on the clues is part of the fun of watching the movie. If you already know the outcome, then half the fun is gone.

Enter Kurt here to say it’s not what it’s about but how it’s about it. I get that and agree, but for some reason when you have the exact same characters in the exact same location with the exact smae situation time and time again, no matter how cool it is or what characters you have doing it, by the time you’ve seen the tenth iteration of the movie it will be pretty stale. The way to change that is just make the outcome different.

Andrew James
Admin

Also I’ll be watching my Blu-ray of Doomsday this weekend. I’m excited. It’s been about a year.

devolutionary
Guest

I definitely need to give it a rewatch. Only saw it once. It’s still interesting that the R3 crowd debates it against MMFR; I see more similarities with Romero, Boyle, or even Carpenter. Neil Marshall makes excellent off-kilter genre pieces, but I don’t know if he transcends them. Might even give Centurion a poke one of these days. Also looking forward to his “Hellboy” reboot.

Andrew James
Admin

Centurion is another I really like. Dude’s filmography isn’t lengthy but it’s solid. Whenever I see his name on the end of a Game of Thrones opening credit sequence, I always think, “buckle up!”

rot
Guest

I remember the Kubrick debate. 🙂 As debates go, the thread on Collapse review was epic and probably broke me.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

So hard to pick favorite moments that’s for sure. So grateful to have made a friendship with Nat (sorry I’ve been so busy Nat). It’s been a genuine joy, fellas!

Nat
Guest

Same here, Jimbo! (And I should also include Patrick in that as well!)

Dansouri
Guest

Never posted before, been listening for about 7 years. Will miss everything about the show, thank you for all your effort in keeping it going 10 years+. Hope to see you all making some guest appearances on filmjunk soon!

This is a sad day…

Andrew James
Admin

Thanks for the kind words. I also love that your avatar is the blu-ray case for Zodiac!

Cheers!

Kurt
Guest

I approve of your ZODIAC avatar. And thanks for listening so long. I’m hoping to try and re-assemble with the FILMJUNK crew for a MovieClub or two in the future.

Aaron
Guest

Some new Movie Club episodes would be awesome!

Kurt
Guest

Look for a more ‘regular’ set of MOVIE CLUB podcast episodes in the new year. I’m hoping to get that going on a one-per-month Basis, and published regularly.

Dansouri
Guest

Haha, yeah It’s one of my favourite bluray cases. Thanks for the responses guys and I’ll look forward to the re-assemble, whenever it may be.
Take care of yourselves for now!

rot
Guest

I’m so glad you end on reviewing Tyrannosaur, kudos to Len! I rewatched it recently on Netflix (so check it out!) and I fucking love that movie. Has he made another film?

devolutionary
Guest

I think he just completed The Journeyman. A boxing movie about the psychological fallout from concussion. Won’t get a wide release until 2018.

rot
Guest

sweet.

Kurt
Guest

I thought he was going for Charles Laughton status. One masterpiece and done.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I can’t say I agree with Andrew and Matt’s assertion that MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS was “dour.” There was much laughter in the theatre when I saw it, including from me. If anything, I would argue that Brannah’s Poirot is a bit TOO comical at times.

Andrew James
Admin

The whole thing overall maybe isn’t dour, but the bits where it is serious certainly are. And we obviously live in different societies as I can’t recall any laughter at any point in this movie.

The opening scene is really fun and gives the movie promise. But nothing in the rest of the film is even close to that opening scene in terms of tone and characterization.

Jonathan
Guest

Well, this is depressing. Hard to believe its been over a decade, but yep… I was but a bright-eyed, optimistic college kid when we launched this.

Jonathan
Guest

I still think the OFC Top 100 films is one of the more badass things we did, all the way back in 2007: http://www.rowthree.com/2007/11/10/ofc-top-100/

Look at some of the people and sites we managed to get to create this list.

Andrew, you remember tallying all of this? That took fucking forever.

Andrew James
Admin

Totally remember that. We used Google docs and just putting lots of tally marks on a huge spreadsheet of like 600 movies. Good times – that was four apartments ago!

Rick+Vance
Guest

This website is good in that it was the introduction to a bunch of people who I have gone on to meet in person over the years

David Brook
Admin

It’s been a pleasure contributing to the site guys. I just scanned through my old emails and it looks like I’ve been posting my reviews here for 8 years! Thanks to Bob who (I think) found my blog after I’d been commenting on his and recommended me all those years back. It was great to meet Kurt when I was over in Canada a few years ago too.

If you ever need a guest on any of other podcasts you guys get involved with, give us a shout and anyone interested in my reviews can find me at my other home – blueprintreview.co.uk

So long and thanks for all the memories. It’s a sad time, but at least the annual trolling on my Attack on Leningrad review can finally end!

Kurt
Guest

It was also a great pleasure to meet you and your wife when you were in Toronto some years ago, David! Keep on keeping on.

David Brook
Guest

Oh, and thanks to both you and Andrew for watching and reviewing Vigilante on the podcast. It was much appreciated and I’m glad you both enjoyed it.

Nathan Austin
Guest

Thanks for the endless hours of entertainment and TV/film discussion. Andrew, it’s been really cool to listen to a great movie podcast over the years produced from a fellow Minnesotan. Kurt’s analysis of a film is often illuminating, he will critique themes which never occurred to me. Will really miss the Game of Thrones recaps -“And then Ridley Scott had a confrontation with the Bearfucker!” etc. I appreciate keeping the website up since I often go back and listen to the review of a movie I’ve finally caught up with.

Cheers

Kurt
Guest

The Website will not be going anywhere for the next 2 years at least.

Jake Sardos
Guest

So this is my first comment on here, kind of wish I did more to participate. I’m relatively new to the podcast. I started listening around two years ago and instantly became a fan of the laid back style and thoughtful discussions. I will definitely miss you guys but there seems to be a TON of content for me to go back and listen to, so it shouldn’t be too bad! Good luck with everything and thank you for all you have done!

Andrew James
Admin

Thanks Jake – always glad to hear from the lurkers! Yeah I still go back and listen to very old episodes of movie podcasts I like after seeing a movie for the first time.

Thanks for the kind words!

Kurt
Guest

The filmmaking philosophy, the themes and the overall design of MAD MAX: FURY ROAD easily tromp DOOMSDAY as better filmmaking. However, Doomsday is a lot more fun to watch. Derivative is not always bad. MM:FR is honest-to-goodness filmmaking innovation, and for that it is a more ‘important’ film.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

You guys will always be a huge inspiration in so many ways for me, whether listening to old episodes or seeing whatever comes in the future. Thank you for all the support over the years and for having me on the year-end episodes. It’s been a blast, and you’ll be missed. Much gratitude for the hours and hours of entertainment and education. A more lengthy piece to come on my website 🙂

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Thanks Andrew for running RowThree.com all these years. I’ve run my share of websites and I know all the work that goes into it and can understand why you want to take a break.

I came to the site as a fan of MAMO and I’ve enjoyed a lot of the content posted on RowThree and while I haven’t been visiting as much as I used to, I will definitely miss this site.

I’ve occasionally listened to the Cinecast podcast, but I’m often behind in watching movies that you guys talk about. Especially since my daughter was born it has become harder and more expensive to get out and so I will now watch movies long after they have come out or on disk/download months later.

Anyways, thanks again to everyone who has worked creating content on RowThree over the years.

Kurt
Guest

Cheers Matthew, and thanks for always being a part of the conversation here in the Third Row.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Finally finished this epic final episode. You didn’t really have to include the audio clip I sent, since it’s a bit out of place now (thanks anyway).

Also, that final list of thank yous (which I just skimmed over) must have been exhausting to recite!

devolutionary
Guest

I was laughing most of the way. Andrew’s pronunciation was almost as entertaining as some of those names. It felt like an artistic statement from a slam poet.

Andrew James
Admin

Hey everyone. Our bud and fellow podcaster/blogger/movie-lover had some nice things to say about the show over at Voices and Visions.

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