Cinecast Episode 489 – The Han Solo Moment

Being that it’s the holiday weekend in ‘merica as well as Maple Syrup-ville, the boys keep it focused on just two movies this week. The event picture that is Edgar Wright’s Baby Driver hit theaters this past week and we dive begrudgingly headlong into that mess. And land on somewhat of a more even keel with the straight-to-Netflix original film, Okja starring Tilda Swinton and Tilda Swinton – and yes, Paul Dano gets a beat down. Watch out for SPOILERS throughout this episode, but it’s a fun mid-morning around the coffee table.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

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TIME TRACKS:

Opening: 0:00
Baby Driver (SPOILERS!): 4:45
Okja (SPOILERS!): 47:46
Back to Baby Driver (SPOILERS!) and other stuff: 1:21:44
Outro/Next Week: 1:26:01
Closing Music: 1:42:30 – 1:47:12

 

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Sean Kelly
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Please tell me you don’t absolutely trash Baby Driver in this episode, since I was a really big fan of the film (second only to I, DANIEL BLAKE for my favourite film of the year so far).

Andrew James
Admin

I certainly don’t “trash” the film, but I struggle to find a lot I like about it.

I did forget to mention the date at the restaurant. I liked the way sound and music intermixed for those moments (particularly the vibrating wine glasses).

Brian_M
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I generally enjoyed Baby Driver, but a lot of it bugged me upon reflection, and the more I think about it, the less I think of it.

Also, couldn’t help but feel Jon Bernthal and Jamie Foxx were playing essentially the same character as their scenes with Baby were almost identical.

Brian Mulhall
Guest

I generally enjoyed Baby Driver, but a lot of it bugged me upon reflection, and the more I think about it, the less I think of it.

Also, couldn’t help but feel Jon Bernthal and Jamie Foxx were playing essentially the same character as their scenes with Baby were almost identical.

Kurt
Guest

While you might, possibly, interpret that we are ‘trashing’ the film, it is far more a case of ‘disappointment’ in light of the rest of Wright’s filmography. We wanted it to be more than it is. We demand this of our most cherished filmmakers.

devolutionary
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Certainly wouldn’t argue that it’s the weakest Edgar Wright movie I’ve seen (haven’t seen A Fistful of Fingers) in terms of originality, character depth, story, plot, themes, ideas, etc., However, the style, direction, action, and editing is up there with his best work IMO. Possibly even better use of music than GOTG. I just shut my brain off and enjoyed the ride while it lasted. So much better than most of the recent summer trash.

I really liked the kitchen sink of ideas rolled into one for Okja up until the last 20-25 minutes when it kind of crashes into itself. A bit heavy-handed too (and I’m a vegetarian). The first 2 (or 3?) acts are so ambitious that it’s impossible to end it properly in a 2 hour movie.

Kurt Halfyard
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Yup. As mentioned in the show, the directing in BABY DRIVER is absolutely top shelf…the writing, less so. And agreed, it is better than 95% of stuff in the multiplex, we just have a high standard for directors like The Coen Brothers and Edgar Wright.

On an unrelated note, HAIL CAESAR! is still magnificent.

Andrew James
Admin

The final 20 minutes is not “top notch”. It’s borderline unwatchable (for me). The rest of it is better than average. Hunt for the Wilderpeople feels more like an Edgar Wright film in terms of direction than this IMO.

Looking forward to revisiting Scott Pilgrim though. I wasn’t gaga about it on first watch; I feel like I might have warmed up to it since theatrical release.

David Brook
Admin

Finally someone agrees with me on Baby Driver! It was fun and had some great moments here and there, but it has so many problems, particularly its terrible final 20 minutes. I have to listen to this episode to hear what you guys say.

Sean Kelly
Guest

As a gamer, I can say that Pokémon never really stopped (there’s a new video game every 2-3 years)

Andrew James
Admin

But was it ever huge like it was in the 90s? It wasn’t the craze in the general kid-dom through about 2005-2015 until Pokemon Go came out was it? I’m pretty out-of-the-loop on that particular franchise, so I actually have no idea.

Andrew James
Admin

Show title should have been: Building the Fourth Wall.

Because something else about BABY DRIVER that I forgot to mention were the actual heists. They were never shown; which is fine. But the one that bugs me is the one with the Mike Myers masks. Why does Baby drive the car a few feet forward just so the camera can’t see what’s going on, and then moves back? It doesn’t make any sense unless he’s aware there’s an audience. It’s like an anti-fourth wall break. He’s actually building the fourth wall.

devolutionary
Guest

If I recall (needs a rewatch), I think Baby had the getaway setup on song sequence and tempo — The Damned. So he would only drive in time with the song (entire plot metaphor).
It is probably a shallow conceit to hide the audience from seeing the actual crime. Edgar even mentioned that when they switch cars later, he purposely wrote in Baby resetting the track cause it was too short for the scene.

David Brook
Admin

*SPOILERS FOR BABY DRIVER* To me, that was Baby not wanting to see the violence himself. The fact that he doesn’t want to be part of that side of his work is alluded to a few times. That’s why I particularly didn’t like the fact he started killing people in the finale, it was totally out of character, although it wasn’t as terrible a decision as making Kevin Spacey suddenly have a change of heart. The writing was an unholy mess in the final 20 minutes. The final chase is weak too as much of it is just graceless ramming into each other. Then there’s that cheesy coda afterwards when everyone says nice things about him so that his prison sentence is reduced – yuk.

Richard Vance
Guest

I can not recall a movie that has fallen in my estimation of it faster than this one.

So many decisions that seem flawed and out of character and cheap that just barely get by during the run time (outside of the last 10-15 minutes) and it all falls apart on reflection.

David Brook
Admin

Absolutely.

Andrew James
Admin

Right? Walking out of the theater, I was like, “well that was disappointing, but I still had some fun.” 20 minutes later I was already picking it apart and getting angrier. The next day I had reduced it by a half star on LetterBoxd.

At this point (6 days later), after all of the discussion and thinking more about it I can say that I borderline hate this movie.

Richard Vance
Guest

This is completely unrelated but I think all of you would enjoy it

https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football/

Some amazing science fiction right there, and amazing use of medium to tell stories.

Darcy
Guest

So when are you guys going to review Earthlings?

Andrew James
Admin

I don’t know what that is. A quick IMDb scan shows a Joaquin Phoenix vehicle from 2005?

Craig
Guest

I’m glad that Row Three, Filmjunk etc have this opinion as I thought I was going to be the only one not loving this as I walked out of the theatre. The UK critics especially are treating Baby Driver as some sort of once in a generation masterpiece.

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