Mamo 471: Peak Mamo

Wonder Woman is here, and we dive deep into the suddenly-refreshing waters of the DCEU – with additional talk of Batman, the Justice League, Aquaman, and the cult of narrative around projects of this scale. Plus, Price’s Disney boycott finally worked, and with Sense8 on its way out, peak TV may have finally peaked.

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Rick Vance

I think the high horse about what is popular in North America vs. rest of the world falls apart especially in the vein of things we have seen before when the pop culture ruling the roost are movies simplified out of comics aimed at children.


I agree with one of the Matt’s who said that the first 2 DCEU films started with Superman and Batman at their lowest. I always thought their characters fit the new world Snyder created and they were a direct reflection of living in the modern world. After 4 DCEU films (incl. Wonder Woman), the world building has been very consistent, where modern society is pretty dark and cynical, especially its views towards mankind.

I don’t know if it was always planned or a reaction to critics or just convenient that Wonder Woman was going to be more inspirational. Her origin story is also the origin story of mankind when it decided to adopt Greek mythology. I guess in the DCEU, man was created by Zeus, who is even mentioned in BvS by Lex. Setting it 100 yrs ago (instead of the present) and WW not growing up in the world of men, I guess was always the plan. It makes me wonder if MoS & BvS was success with most critics and audiences, would the Wonder Woman film have been “dark” and “gritty” also? It’s tough to say this version of WW was a direct reaction to all the negativity. Snyder and WB were fully aware of the pressure of WW being the first ever live-action film of the character. They had to get the introduction of the character right in terms of a traditional superhero film. I’m leaning towards planning and some luck?

WW is very light in tone, but in the right moments. Jenkins was still successfully able to maintain the drama and stakes of the story. She magically found a way to inject plenty of humor without sacrificing the dramatic effect of villagers and allied soldiers being killed on screen. She did what Captain America: Civil War could not do when it came to balancing tone.

Kurt Halfyard

I’d argue that the original Captain America origin story failed to balance tone as well.

*(AND CORRECTION NOTE in the recent CINECAST PODCAST, Andrew is indeed correct in that the Marvel Captain America movie is WWII, not WWI as I mentioned.)


After seeing WW, I need to rewatch the first Capt America film. I did love it, but the only connection to the MCU I remember was the damn infinity stone, which is never explained and I could care less about. The MCU films have no central theme and the only through line are those stupid stones. Very superficial and indicative of the whole franchise. Just give us our happy meal and some TV soap opera character moments. Usually, I don’t mind that at all, but the vitriol for the DCEU combined with the excessive praise for the MCU only strengthens the notion that comic book films are only junk food corporate product.