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Sean Kelly
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It has a lot that films are no longer “made for us” when INDEPENDENCE DAY: RESURGENCE has a Chinese model/singer named Angelababy in a major role.

Also, Roland Emmerich has plans to make a third INDEPENDENCE DAY film sooner, rather than later (with RESURGENCE even setting it up). However, not sure if it will be greenlit after the poor box office.

Bob S.
Guest

Guys, guys, guys. I sensed more than a little self-righteousness during this discussion. A few things:

1. The new Ghostbusters pushback. This started mainly because one guy with some influence in a certain (tiny) segment of culture made a big deal about not reviewing the new film. You guys talk about it like there is a large portion of some significant population that even knows that this guy exists, let alone his opinion. Conflating his opinion to a much larger segment of society is a stretch – and then some. Throwing in quips about Trump being a possible rapist during the conversation? About as classy as Trump often is.

2. Brexit. Take a deep breath and consider this comment from a UK native who is typically a politically liberal leaning fellow:

“We have a body known as the European Commission that is not elected, that we (the people) do not grant authority and power to but instead it is appointed and has taken power signed in treaty after treaty. It governs many policies from agriculture to trade. It makes trade deals. It has close associations to industry to corporations and we have no recourse. We cannot vote it out. Except this one time.”

http://blog.gardeviance.org/2016/04/on-europe.html

3. Privilege. I get it. Everyone in the west seems to have caught on of late that they have a certain level of privilege and how that forms their worldview. That’s not a bad thing. If it humbles us and makes us more empathetic, that is a win. If privilege is pondered and consumed to the extent that it leads to the talk you both started to go into about people needing to be “better educated” and almost more evolved creatures (like you guys?), then we’ve got a serious case of self-righteous finger pointing. Essentially, we’re back to square one.

I don’t think you guys intended to lead the conversation in that tone, but that’s the tone I picked up during most of the conversation. Regardless, keep the podcasts coming. Even during a frustrating listen (for me) with this one, I always leave with something to think about.

Gerry
Guest

What he said.

Goon
Guest

“We have a body known as the European Commission that is not elected, that we (the people) do not grant authority and power to but instead it is appointed and has taken power signed in treaty after treaty. It governs many policies from agriculture to trade. It makes trade deals. It has close associations to industry to corporations and we have no recourse. We cannot vote it out. Except this one time.”

The EU has flaws, but it is Britain’s biggest trading partner and those regulations would and will be there whether they are in or out. What they had was a seat at the table to drive those regulations. Now they won’t. That’s dumb. That’s fucking dumb. Good job.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Note the European Commission members are appointed by the European Parliament which is voted in democratically. The European Parliament can dissolve the European Commission following a vote of no-confidence. However, only the President of the European Parliament can get an individual member of the commission to resign.

Also from what I’ve read what legislation from the European Commission must be approved by the European Council in all areas and by the European Parliament in some areas.

That said, I’m a Canadian (although my Dad is British and I still have some relatives living in the UK) so my exposure to how the EU works has many been from this Brexit debate starting perhaps 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Sean Kelly
Guest

The sexist pushback against the GHOSTBUSTERS reboot started long before Jame Rolfe posted his six minute “non-review.”

In slightly related news, I just resumed play of the 2009 GHOSTBUSTERS video game, which is probably the closest thing to a third film with the original cast that you would get.

Bob S.
Guest

You’re both named Matt, sooooo…

Matthew Fabb
Guest

I wonder how much Warcraft was made for China versus how much of Warcraft was simply made for Warcraft fans in which there are just a lot more in China right now than North America right now. As there seems to be a number of people who really enjoyed the movie. Perhaps it was from familiarity of the content or perhaps they had a better understanding of the backstory. Note I have never played Warcraft nor have I seen the movie, this is just going from the reaction of the movie I’ve seen online. Plenty of fans have discussed how they could have fixed the movie to appeal for a larger audience. Such as an voice-over introduction that set up the world and/or characters better. Others suggested that they picked another period in the Warcraft story timeline that would have been better for introducing newcomers.

Anyways, I do hope that the box office contest continues. As it’s fun trying to guess how millions of people in Canada & the US will react to a movie and if they will go see it. Also the domestic box office is still big enough that it still does matter how movies are being made. It’s not the only piece of the puzzle but it’s still not small enough that it is completely ignored either.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Oh and Matt Brown, your bio on ScreenAnarchy.com still says:
“Matt Brown writes about film and pop culture for TwitchFilm and is the co-host of the Mamo! and Super Zero podcasts.”

Also perhaps Matt Brown might want to explain or post a link why TwitchFilm became ScreenAnarchy? I don’t read it much beyond your Destroy All Monsters column and I was surprised at the change. At first I thought you had moved your column to a different site, until I realized TwitchFilm.com didn’t exist anymore.

Andrew James
Admin

I don’t know for sure, but I assume it has something to do with a confusion between Twitch the movie site and Twitch the video streaming platform.

UltimoLee
Guest

I’d also love to know. i visited the site at least a few times a week for years and i’ll be honest i hate the new look. looks like so many other films sites.

UltimoLee
Guest

Before i start this. i was for remain. i’m from and live in a working class area of Manchester (North West England, we voted 60% to remain, i was surprised). I’ve never lived in an all white street or been in an all white classroom my whole life and feel privileged that i grew up in such a mixed environment. if there was a poster for multicultural liberal dude my face could be on it.

To dismiss the leave voters as a bunch of racist xenophobic dickheads is way wide of the truth and the “blame it on the north they’re racist” thing is typical media rubbish. the largest proportion of voters for the BNP (racist party) were from Dagenham (North London)

This wasn’t a protest vote against the government, the local elections were a month ago it would have happened then. this is a build up of multiple things going back decades and it was a big (misguided) fuck you to the establishment of the country. to the Tory government, to the joke that is the Labour party, the bankers and of course (again misguided) one over the rest of the EU. In mainstream media you NEVER hear a good word said about the EU, ever. or France. or Germany etc

The highest percentage of leave voters are from the most deprived towns and cities who were crushed by Thatcher in the 80’s, had the Labour party turn their back on them in the 90’s/2000’s (including introducing tuition fees killing hope of improving lives) and have had to deal with what this shower of bastards has done to the country the last 6 years.

As for leavers changing their minds. as has become abundantly clear to me over the last 12 months NEVER look to twitter as a barometer for what’s actually happening in a country. Most leavers are over the moon.

It’s been the most bizarre 4 days i can ever remember in the country AND nobody knows what the hell is actually going to happen!! certainly not the prats who ran the leave campaign

Also NEVER trust the polls. America go and vote or Trump will happen

Craig
Guest

Ultimolee is right, ever since the Left has been hijacked by middle class Guardian readers who care more for “identity politics” than real issues then a lot of ordinary people have drifted to more right wing politics. Add to it that working class people have been demonised by all sides of the political divide.

If you spend years arrogantly dismissing people’s concerns by labelling them racist etc then guess what, these people are eventually going to push back.

The modern left has to take responsibility, but their arrogance/snobbery won’t allow it.

In the end I voted remain but I almost abstained due to both campaigns scaremongering.

I’m also from Manchester as it happens.

P.S. The same attitude by the modern Left is why Trump is doing so well.

David Brook
Admin

Being a Brit too, I would agree with you guys to an extent.

I would say that anti-immigration views did play a large part though. The highest Leave vote was in Boston, Lincolnshire and the county in general voted strongly for Leave. Living in the county, I can say that a lot of people here (not me – I voted Remain) will have voted Leave due to immigration. Boston has a particularly large Eastern European immigrant population due to the strong farming industry in the area and there is a huge amount of anti-immigration sentiment there due to this. I’ve worked on several projects attempting to dispel myths and bring residents closer together, but they didn’t seem to make much difference. You’ve only got to see some of the comments on a video we made there to see what we were dealing with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqRrf83VCc

So, although I’d agree a lot of people had fair cause to vote Leave (the EU certainly wasn’t perfect), I think you’re being rather over-optimistic if you think misinformed (and possibly racist) views of immigration into the country didn’t play a part.

UltimoLee
Guest

Immigration and the fear of Immigration played apart too, absolutely. My point mainly was to point out that the leavers aren’t just racists which they have been dismissed as by a lot of people particularly from other countries and remainers.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Here’s an exit poll that survered 12,369 people on how they voted, why they voted, when they made up their mind, etc.

33% of leave voters said their main issue was immigration. So yes, not all remain voters, just about 5.7 million out of the 17.4 million voters. That said, the top issue was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.

That said, even if they didn’t list it as their top issue, 80% of leave voters thought immigration as a force for ill. Even immigration aside, 81% of them thought multiculturalism was a force for ill! Also in the “force for ill” category from leave voters was social liberalism (80%), feminism (74%), the green movement (78%), globalisation (69%) and even the internet (71%)!

So not all leave voters are racists, but looks like a fair chunk of them are.

Also unfortunately, the success of the leave winning has emboldened the racists and xenophobes and hate crime is up in the UK.

The same thing happened in Canada during the last federal election last year. Stephen Harper the Prime Minister started going on about “old stock Canadians”, a tip line to report “barbaric cultural practices” and fighting against 2 women who wanted to wear the niqab during the Oath of Citizenship. This pulled the racists out and embolden them to attack immigrants, mainly muslims. Not all of Harper’s supporters were racists, but a chunk of them were and the stories of these attacks stick in people’s minds.

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