Cinecast Episode 445 – Seductively Sleazy

So Pixar stepped progress back a couple of decades by bullying and belittling the mentally challenged and thinking that’s ok. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves here. First we need to exorcise the demons with railroad ties, track suits and gongs in Hong-jin Na’s fantastically bizarre The Wailing. From there, we continue with the De Palma retrospective and take a coke’d out boat ride with Al Pacino and Sean Penn in the “much wiser gangster” picture, Carlito’s Way. We’re pretty confident those subways are not actually red. The Watch List devolves into more Disney intolerance and racism with Song of the South and Finding Dory as well as some good ol’ fashioned gangster comedy. Kurt keeps it “brief” this week with a quick look into the mind of Nicolas Winding Refn’s Neon Demon which we will consider a bit more thoughtfully on next week’s show.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

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The Wailing



Carlito’s Way



Neon Demon

Finding Dory
Mean Streets
Song of the South



Satanic Panic in Hard Cover!
Minneapolis/St. Paul Film Society
TIFF Lightbox De Palma retrospective
Neon Demon | iTunes | Kurt’s review



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Kurt Halfyard

Cinecast extracurricular learning opportunity:


The Wailing has been playing at a theater close to me in Washington state for the past two weeks. I knew nothing about it, but you got me interested.

Andrew James

The more I think about it, the more I think it’s great. Just in our discussion alone I got more excited about it. I think the theatrical experience would make the movie even better.


The Chaser is ok…nothing special, especially in comparison to other Korean offerings. Do not remember much about the film to be honest.

Jay Steneker

The Chaser has a pretty good final third, making up for the first 2 parts being a typical by the numbers thriller. Yellow Sea on the other hand is fantastic from start to finish, really dug how they reversed the actors roles from The Chaser.


Late, apologies. i’m in a Euro 2016 bubble of football football football.

In-house business: 01:48
The Wailing [SPOILERS]: 06:43
De Palma Retrospective: Carlito’s Way: 46:42
The Watch List: 1:25:04
Next Week: 2:17:33
End: 2:21:54
The Chaser is great, i’ve had The Yellow Sea on DVD for 4 or 5 years without getting around to watching it and i’m hugely jealous you guys got to see The Wailing starring one of my favourites Hwang Jung-min.

Enjoyed the Carlito’s Way talk, wish i’d had the time to rewatched it beforehand.


The Wailing is similar to Na’s other films in a number of respects, but I think it’s fair to say he’s also going for something different here. I’m very curious about what he decides to do next. I thought The Chaser was quite good. There’s something that happens fairly early on that I don’t think falls in line with the typical thriller. I believe Na is keeping a fair bit of the The Wailing ambiguous, but I still have some questions I’ll throw out –

The shaman was in cahoots with the Japanese man from the start, right? If so, what exactly was he doing during the second exorcism? Was he hurting the daughter so the father would stop the ritual and thus fall into a trap?

The movie confirms that the Japanese man is some kind of unkillable demonic being, but he also displays genuine fear and pain as he’s being chased late in the film, so I’m not sure what’s going on there. Also, did you think he was thrown onto the vehicle or jumped himself, again as part of the trap?

The main character expresses confusion at the mysterious women’s accusation of sin (“murdering” the Japanese man), so can we assume that somehow things would’ve turned out alright had he passed the test and not dumped the body down the mountain? The fishing analogy makes me think, “eh, maybe, maybe not.”


The exorcism sequences were very impressive in a theatre setting. I imagine the atmosphere and sense of place would also be bolstered by seeing this on the big screen with a good sound system.

Sean Kelly

Here’s a Challenge: Watch THE NEON DEMON and then Tim Burton’s DARK SHADOWS and tell me which actor appears in both films (the actor in question looks completely different in both films)


Crap, Wailing leaves the theater Friday but does get Neon Demon