Mamo 449: X’s and “Oh”s

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This Memorial Day, we fondly remember the days when Memorial Day was a good time to open a blockbuster. With X-Men: Apocalypse and Alice Through the Looking Glass in the toilet, we castrate Fox’s management of the X-franchise before diving into the wider question of fan entitlement, platonic relationships, and Cap being in love with Bucky (cuz he IS, ok?).

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Matthew Fabb
Guest

Another huge mistake on 20th Century Fox’s part is lifting the embargo on reviews 3 weeks before the movie came out. A large number of reviews were released online and the majority of them were bad. The conversation about the movie for the last 3 weeks is where did Bryan Singer go wrong. Whether this X-men Apocalypse was worst than X-men 3 or just the 2nd worst X-men movie.

I had planned to go see this opening weekend, but with the bad reviews decided to change my plans. I’ll see it eventually, but with 1 year old kid, this movie didn’t seem to be worth the balancing act of getting a babysitter. I know plenty of people who also put off plans to see it right away because of the bad advanced buzz.

Also Matthew Price talks about the popularity of Iron Man versus X-men, stating that Marvel might have held onto Iron Man because it was more well known. In the 1990’s Marvel would have sold the film rights to anything they had for extra income. They hadn’t sold the rights to Iron Man I think because no one wanted it. If you pull up sales of top 300 comics from the 1990’s Iron Man was somewhere around the #70 to #80 top selling comics. Uncanny X-men and various other X-men titles were up in the top 10. They even outsold often the various Spider-man titles.

Andrew James
Admin

“A large number of reviews were released online and the majority of them were bad. The conversation about the movie for the last 3 weeks is where did Bryan Singer go wrong.”
This.

Anecdotal: Before Iron Man 1 came out, I had no idea who Iron Man was. X-Men on the other hand was everywhere: video games, t-shirts, fast food cups, etc.

schizopolis
Guest

I agree that Apocalypse is a mess…a glorious one at that. But..man, it’s getting grating to listen to you guys gush over Disney/Marvel every time a “competing” comic book film is released. Excluding box office, the X-Men franchise is easily superior in every way to the MCU. You both keep sounding like you want all your comic book films to copy the Disney/Marvel formula.

But it was satisfying to listen to you guys carefully navigate and object to the idea of Cap being gay/bi without sounding like the youtube douche boycotting the new Ghostbusters. And by the way, Finn & Poe should not be bed fellows simply because it sounds desperate. We finally get minorities starring in a classic blockbuster. So let’s kill two birds with one stone by also making them lovers? Just make a new character, instead of another JJ-type gotcha reveal.

schizopolis
Guest

To be clear, I was satisfied because you weren’t successful 😉 I know gay men who mess around and stay the best of friends all the time. I don’t know any straight people that have, though I’m sure it’s possible.

devolutionary
Guest

The X-Men film franchise has always been the superhero outlier for me where I side with general audience consensus over critics. I’m not too bothered by the middling reception to Apocalypse but I’m still surprised over the predominantly glowing praise of Captain America: Civil War. Was it just that it hit the MCU formula so perfectly without raising any BS detection?

EM
Guest

I really expected better of you guys than the tired “protect the sanctity of male friendship at all costs!” People have been shipping Kirk/Spock since the 1960s. This is nothing new.

Then again, I liked the new X-Men, so what do I know.

Matthew Price
Guest

Actually this is be opposite of what I said

schizopolis
Guest

IMO, the X-Men franchise not only set up the MCU’s success, it set up Nolan’s TDK success. Singer elevated the genre and achieved a very balanced tone. Grounded, dramatic, big themes and still fun…X2 especially.

I just think film critics prefer the MCU because they judge them solely within their category and definition of the comic book genre. You never hear them lambaste a drama or suspense-thriller for being too dour. They’ll still give credit to comic book films that transcend and execute the genre well. But, they much prefer these films to be fun & kid friendly, which is the MCU. Disney/MCU stays within a mold and just tries to keep it fresh. I enjoy the MCU films a lot. But when critics, podcasters and fans start to give them more credit than they deserve, it automatically causes the opposite effect.

Rick Vance
Guest

I understand the desires of the shipping culture to see things happen in the fact that in those spaces new characters don’t tend to stick very hard and as has been discussed to death universes birthed in the 60s and earlier are not the most inclusive places. Therefore if your new inclusive characters will not stick the next best thing is to modify the ones that people like.

There is the obvious answer of just to ignore the universes and find places where that stuff is much more common, however nostalgia and familiarity is a very powerful and intoxicating thing.

On the DC subject while I do enjoy their product every so often their personal reactions to line wide problems have always bugged me because they have seemed often to create massive persecution complexes and then they also manage to pull the audience in strange victim blaming ways, whether it is Kingdom Come blaming Image or Infinite Crisis blaming the not ‘good old days’ or this blaming Watchmen. It all comes off wrong sighted.

This one especially because no only is the use of Watchmen incredibly crass, it was written by the guy who is the lead on strip mining everything Moore ever did for DC for plot over the last decade.

Whatever I should stop getting semi-worked up over universes that I stopped reading months ago but they make it so easy sometimes, comics are the best DC / Marvel / Image and Dark Horse largely I can do without. There is too much good stuff out there to be bogged down with the mainstream and other countries to big mainstream action comics better than the current crop can on this sides of both oceans.

(Oh and Matt Thor was a lady in Earth X and that is a pretty cool story over all with amazing art that is worth checking out)

Tony D'Amico
Guest

This is a total side tangent, but I thought of you guys when it happened to me. First off, I will say that I have read over 75 of the extended Star Wars universe novels, which doesn’t make me a bigger fan than anyone else since it’s not a fucking competition like most try to make it these days. It simply means that I love Star Wars and everything it’s associated with. Therefore I loved The Force Awakens a shit ton.

When I first viewed the Rogue One trailer I was in sheer awe of how good it looked to me. When I approached a few co-workers to ask them if they had seen it yet, the first response was, “yeah, but why the hell do they have to have a girl again” I could only respond with “what’s the problem?”. Which prompted both of them to say “They did that with the last one” I only could shake my head and laugh at their ignorance, I said we should take their right to vote away as well, which of course they completely denied being sexist.

Sorry for the long off topic comment, but I just thought it was amazing how ridiculous some people are and it made me want to tell you guys since it’s almost a weekly topic for MAMO.

Andrew James
Admin

I have a co-worker who hated Force Awakens partially because there was a female Stormtrooper; insisting that Stormtroopers can’t be women. They never have been before, why would there be one now!? (s)he insisted. I argued for a moment, then decided to disengage because it’s pointless to argue or change the mind of someone that sexist. This person is also very racist too, but that’s a different conversation.

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