Mamo 441: Matt-Man v. Super-Matt – Dawn of Mamo

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Two Matts enter, one Matt leaves! Then another Matt leaves, by a different door. It’s the title fight you’ve all been waiting for: does Batman v. Superman deserve a Dawn of Justice or what even is Justice in this context anyway yadda yadda yadda maybe the movie’s not that bad.

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Rick Vance
Guest

I liked watching the movie but could very readily feel the chains around it put there by the idea of future films (and lots of them) waiting on the wings. Also it prevents Synder from really paying off the Dark Knight Returns imagery he plays with to any meaningful degree because this movie trying to get to a medium place in its finale can’t go where that book goes.

I totally understand the anxiety of people to this style of Story but it has already won. The movie and TV businesses have learned the lessons that Direct Market comic books have exploited for years and years.

A desire to consume and to continue to consume because it is easy and not even because you enjoy it but to keep up. A system built for grinding on the people working within it and promoting their exploitation and quicker more expedient discarding.

Where the bright spots of truly distinct and powerful work are just that Bright Spots and Happy Accidents in a system designed not to produce them.

We will sell you 6 of these at once because we know the middle 3 will probably not be all that good but we know you will read them to get to the ending.

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I assumed by the time of the Party Lex knew who Clark was (because the whole inciting incident proved a Superman/Clark connection through Lois and the Martha stuff at the end).

Mike
Guest

I just looked at the trailer again. Lex announces Kent and Wayne to each other like he’s BFFs with each and then introduces himself to Kent like he’s never seen the guy in his life before (ultra nitpick!)

schizopolis
Guest

When I saw that trailer, I interpreted it as Lex knowing who was who and he was wearing the mask. The scene was so silly that it had to be an ironic metaphor for what was to come. It’s heavy on subtext and I liked the idea. But on its own, Eisenberg’s performance was distracting to me, even though intentional.

Gerry
Guest

Instead of focusing on something with v in it’s title, which I found to be relatively mediocre, I’d like to focus on something excellent, with vs in it’s title, American Crime Story: The People vs OJ Simpson.

Brilliantly written thus far, especially the first four episodes which had funny moments despite the dark subject matter, and especially brilliantly acted, by Cuba Gooding Jr., Sarah Paulson, John Travolta, Courtney Vance, Nathan Lane, Sterling K. Brown and pretty well the entire cast.

I hope there’s a second season dealing with the aftermath and the civil trial and I hope that this show cleans up come awards season.

Kurt Halfyard
Guest

It’s interesting the reactions to the OJ TV show, some people think it is top-shelf TV and others find it melodramatic pap. I haven’t seen a TV show split audience reaction like this since LOST.

Matthew Price
Guest

Personally I don’t think it would matter for me – I would never be interested in this show. I never cared about the trial in the first place.

Gerry
Guest

I had no interest in OJ either Matt Price, or in Ed Wood or Larry Flynt, but when I saw the two films made about the latter by the OJ main writers / showrunners I enjoyed them.

When I saw they were behind OJ I gave the show a chance and it didn’t disappoint.

After the fourth show I thought this is the best show on TV. The next three episodes dealt with specific issues re the trial so made the flow feel a tiny bit more disjointed, but in dealing with a year long trial that’s inevitable.

Still very well written and brilliantly acted, though I watched the first four episodes twice, as episodes receive multiple showings in the UK. It was similar to season 1 of Fargo in that regard, incredibly re-watchable.

I’m really looking forward to the last 3 episodes.

You should watch an episode or two Kurt and Matt, though I totally get that the absolute deluge of shows, films and video games (plus life generally intruding – how dare it!) makes it hard to squeeze in a new show, especially one you’re not interested in to start with.

Gerry
Guest

Clearly ‘After the fourth show …’ should be ‘After the fourth episode’

devolutionary
Guest

Unlike LOST, I think this show depends on audience expectations. We already know (or at least think we do) what transpired during the ridiculous coverage of the trial but did anyone initially figure out LOST? If you are expecting a cutting docu-drama, this show will irritate you. If you are expecting a lurid legal TV thriller with weird characterizations, it might be up your alley. I stupidly watched a few episodes out of order and it was a bit disorienting. There’s some solid acting from the prosecution, but I’m not sold on the tonally weird caricatures.

David Brook
Admin

I’m really enjoying it although there are a couple of melodramatic/clunky moments here and there. I remember the original trial being a ‘thing’, but I never really followed it as I was quite young at the time (12-13) and in the UK OJ Simpson wasn’t particularly well known. I just knew him from the Naked Gun films. So the case, although I know the outcome and vaguely remember key aspects, is largely unknown to me, so I’ve been keen to find out how it all went so horribly wrong.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Similar to Matt Brown, I don’t plan on seeing Batman V Superman, at least not in the theatres. I have liked some of Zack Snyder’s previous films, but I really dislike Man of Steel and his take on Superman. Nothing I’ve seen from the marketing has suggested that this might be quite different than that movie. Also with a young child at home, I have fewer opportunities to go see movies in the theatre and don’t want to waste one on a movie that I’m pretty sure I won’t like.

That said, Matthew Price’s take on the movie is the first one that I’ve come across that makes me at all interested in seeing what it’s like, even after it’s available on Netflix or where ever. I’ve read a number of reviews from comic book websites and their view also seems to be in line with some of the critics, that they liked parts of it but the movie was still a mess.

In the podcast the topic of whether or not this has been marketed to children has come up. The marketing seems to be targeting more adults, but at the same time there has been a huge amount of merchandising targeting kids. It goes as young as the Build-A-Bear Workshop, where you make a customized tear bear, has costumes for teddy bears from Batman V Superman. It’s not just a Superman, Batman or Wonder Woman costume for a teddy bear, but costumes specifically from the movie. I’m all for making superhero movies for adults, but if they do so, DC and even Marvel shouldn’t be marketing merchandise from those movies to kids. I think Marvel Studios and Disney has been a bit better in that they have animated versions of a lot of Marvel characters to target to the younger kids.

Mike
Guest

I went back to see it a 2nd time and when you know the silliness it advance then you can actually sit back and enjoy what craft there is on display. There was one extra specially stupid item that I thought I had remembered wrong so I kept an eye out for it to confirm what I recalled before commenting:

in the apocalyptic dream sequence, TrenchCoatBatman goes to buy kryptonite from some mercenaries. They open a box to reveal a green-growing light and when TCB steps closer he spots that it’s a ruse and that there are merely two big green bulbs in the box.

WHY???? What strategic advantage is there to maintaining the deception for the extra 2 seconds time that the green bulbs buy? Why bother?? Just pull out your guns and detain TCB.

Right?

Mike

devolutionary
Guest

Looking at it objectively, I think Price and Fabb’s comments are pretty spot on (and they haven’t even seen the film 😉 ). Snyder has never been good with film exposition and logic. He’s usually better at handling emotion, symbolism, action (which was very good), and blunt, broad strokes. The movie falls apart when you look past the big ideas. The dream logic is OK but doesn’t have much rhyme or reason within the context of this film only. I think he adheres to the comic book format a little too strongly here. For a 2.5 hr film, he overindulges in a lot of fluff (Lois tracking the sceptre/bullet?) but glances over a lot of important things. He’s really trying to ape Nolan but doesn’t have the craft to cohesively tie all his big scenes and ideas together.

Rick Vance
Guest

Musicale sounds awesome and I am glad it is a wider thing than just musicals

If I got a vote I would love to see Wild Zero or Girl Walk // All Day on the big screen with a crowd.

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