Mamo 437: Asshat Assets

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Deadpool!! The R-rated superhero flick’s massive over-performance this past weekend has thrown everyone into a tizzy, including us, if by “tizzy” you mean “questioning some of our previous statements about Ryan Reynolds.” We toss the ball around a bit, with respect to the modern movie star and the growth of the comic book movie genre, before taking several more choice swipes at the imminent death rattle of Batman v. Superman.

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Matthew Fabb
Guest

As a big comic book geek I’m curious about Batman v Superman, but have no intention on seeing it. I just disliked Man of Steel too much to waste my time and money with it. I’m also curious about Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four which is now out on Netflix, so I can watch it for free. However, there is a very long list of other movies and tv shows that I rather spend the time on (like finally seeing It Follows which I absolutely loved).

As for what Zack Snyder might be doing wrong with Batman v Superman, it might be from trying to adapt Dark Knight Returns as the first encounter of Batman & Superman. Dark Knight Returns meanwhile has them as two very old friends reluctantly fighting different sides of an ideology. The Dark Knight Returns is actually the same ideological battle as Marvel’s Civil War, in that Superman works with the government and Batman is a vigilante, which the government feels has finally crossed the line sending Superman after him. Making Superman the villain until Doomsday shows up forcing them to join sides, I don’t think works the same way.

Rick Vance
Guest

I don’t think it is meant to, one the central things of the DC Comics Universe is that they have had Superman and Batman be on terms and been friends forever so it seems odd to perception when they fight in the comics most of the time without some other thing manipulating it.

However the character of Batman witnessing the events of Man of Steel cold with no other knowledge of this Superman would have the exact reaction they are portraying.

It is a great starting place and adding to that the fact that I think what little Afleck has been in the trailers he has been spot on I am quite excited for this one (which is weird because I don’t like any Zach Synder movies up to this point)

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Also I think the Lobo artist that Matthew Price was drawing a blank on is Simon Bisley. He wasn’t one of the original co-creators of Lobo (that would be Roger Slifer & Keith Giffen), but was one the main creators who defined the character in the 1990’s.

Guy Ritchie was set to direct a Lobo movie in 2010, but with WB trying to keep it as a PG-13 rating, which I’m not sure would have worked. Ritchie went on to direct the sequel to Sherlock Holmes instead. I think Ritchie would have made a great director for something like Lobo.

Dwayne Johnson aka the Rock was apparently attached to the project back in 2012 with Brad Peyton (director of San Andreas), but once again the project didn’t make it off the ground. Based on the quality of San Andreas maybe that is a good thing?

It will be interesting to see if WB finally makes a move with Lobo, but once again who do they give it too?

Andrew James
Admin

C’mon. San Andreas is pretty fun. It’s refreshing in its own right – hero just trying to save his family – not the whole world. And there were some pretty spectacular set pieces in that film. And The Rock is pretty much great in everything.

Disaster movies either slightly hit or terribly miss. This one hit.

Rick Vance
Guest

People are also to used to the World’s Finest thing in all other media that is not Comics. Every time Superman and Batman are in the same thing they do that story.

Outside the direct adaptation of Dark Knight Returns that was animated and pretty bad, this will be the biggest stage to tell that story and that story being probably the most important single comic Marvel or DC have published since it came out. The power of Dark Knight Returns and the energy of that story are things to pull on and it is also the one major Batman thing missing from his on screen depictions.

Now there is no way that any movie about those characters or any Superhero Movie can or will ever be as good as Dark Knight Returns but to tap into that story is something that we have not seen on the big screen.

I think it is a shrewd move to jump the World’s Finest directly into this.

It also neatly solves the if Superman and Batman were friends how does Joker ever kill a Robin in a sensible universe.

Also I kinda like Luthor as an obnoxious VC tech billionaire who you want to punch, if he announces in the movie that he bought the latest Wu Tang album it would be spot on. Also that sweat of my brow is most important stuff is all deeply built into Luthor’s character since the onset.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

I very much enjoyed the animated version of the Dark Knight Returns.

A big part of the 1990’s grim and gritty era was superhero comic book writers and artists taking the wrong lessons from the Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. As Alan Moore put it’s that about 15 years of superhero comics ended up being influenced by his (and Frank Miller’s) bad mood from the 1980’s. I feel the Man of Steel is a perfect example of trying to do a grim & gritty Superman and getting it all horribly wrong.

So I’m not really interested in seeing Zack Snyder tab into this and adapt this material as I don’t think he is going to get it right and just mess it up. It all comes across as so empty and hollow. Also it means that we won’t get this done properly for a very long time, since it will have already been partly done here. Once again, this battle and that story works great towards the end or the very end of Batman, which is why Christopher Nolan used so much of it in The Dark Knight Rises. I just don’t see it working as the first movie.

Of course, I could be totally wrong and it could be great. However, right now I don’t even plan on giving this movie a chance, as I disliked Man of Steel and Snyder’s take on Superman that I don’t want to waste 2 hours of my time on it.

GE Hale
Guest

Just a quick note to point out that the Mamo podcast feed doesn’t have this show although it did show up on the combined Row Three feed.

Glad you guys are still alive.

Andrew James
Admin

Thanks for the info. I admit to having some trouble with our RSS feeds. I don’t totally get it. However, if everyone just subscribes to the general RowThree feed (on iTunes or Podkicker or Podcatcher or whatever), you will get everything we have to offer… which you should! 😉

But I will be looking into the feed issues and see if I can’t sort out the problems.

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