Cinecast Episode 404 – Shawshanky

Though it’s a little earlier in the week than we’re used to recording, we do get back into somewhat of a more normal groove with the Cinecast this week. We’ve got a main SPOILER review with Trainwreck. There’s some dispute over who’s film this is, Apatow’s or Schumer’s. Or both? Either way, Andrew and Kurt both enjoyed the film but have differing thoughts as to why we liked it. True Detective continues to wind its way into the hearts of your humble hosts. One of us as a love potion and the other as a sickly poison. But hey, we like to like what we like. Submarine movies are inherently awesome – especially with a grizzled Sean Connery at the helm. Prison escape movies are kind of that way too. We lament our cinematic truancy of the 1950s and Rock Hudson. We follow it all up with some Kevin Bacon and some Leland Orser. And then Andrew muffs the sign off.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

 

 
 

 


 

TIME TRACKS:

See comments for more time track listings – thanks to Ultimolee for the extra elbow grease!

 

PRE-SHOW WARMUPS:

The Revenent trailer
Crimson Peak trailer
– Kurt excited for Fantsia Film Festival
– “Satanic Panic” book launch
– Upcoming episode of Director’s Club Podcast with special guest Steven Soderbergh

 

MAIN REVIEW:

Trainwreck

 

TRUE DETECTIVE:

Season 2, Episode 5

 

THE WATCH LIST:

KURT
Tango & Cash
Magnificent Obsession
The Hunt For Red October
Cop Car

ANDREW
A Royal Affair
Escape from Alcatraz
Faults

 

OTHER THINGS:

The Cub

 

RSS AND CONTACT INFO:

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Rolf
Guest

Totally on Andrews side with TRUE DETECTIVE. Stopped watching after the third ep. I was really really trying to get into it but I also couldn’t care less about any character and am too dumb to be able to follow the plot. Or maybe it’s just bad writing.

Jonathan
Guest

I’m still watching True Detective, but it’s a mess. Nic Pizzolatto has plenty of great ideas, but his execution is sloppy and sometimes silly. He could use some help with some more seasoned co-writers the reign in some of the ridiculousness and simplify some of the most “WTF” plot points.

Andrew James
Admin

I think “a mess” is the best way to describe it. Which is kind of the thing Kurt likes if it looks nice and has good performances to sell the mess. Personally, I can’t really follow it and I think the dialogue is atrocious. I keep coming back to the Sin City analogy. It feels like it’s trying to be a serious version of Sin City. But Sin City is supposed to be ridiculous and over-the-top; trying to make it serious just kills every bit of style dead in its tracks.

I almost feel like I could go back and watch this whole season over again and watch it as a comedy. With a big enough bottle of bourbon I bet I could laugh my way through it all.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Even though I’m going to hold off listening to the episode until I get home (and watch both Trainwreck and the latest True Detective), I will say that I have been enjoying myself at my very first Fantasia.

I believe I only have a couple crossover days with Kurt before I head back to Toronto on the weekend.

devolutionary
Guest

I checked out your review on Deathgasm. That movie totally looks up my alley. Will look out for We Are Still Here if it ever pops up too (love the 80’s Stuart Gordon films).

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

We are still here has been VOD for many months. It should be easy to find. Director Ted Geoghan is good people, and the film was shot by Kareem Hussain who did much of the first season of HANNIBAL as well as HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN and ANTIVIRAL. I still haven’t seen it myself (albeit, I saw clips while it was in production), and I want to find the time to see it, was holding out to catch it on the big screen in Fantasia, but alas, they screened it a bit too early.

Gerry
Guest

Re a possible rest week for the podcast next week, has Matt Gamble died? There doesn’t seem to be an Avengers type film on release at the moment to tie him up at the cinema.

An Andrew / Matt podcast would be appreciated.

Andrew James
Admin

Its certainly a possibility. I didn’t mention it on the show because I know Kurt has no interest, but I’m mildly curious about PIXELS. So perhaps Matt and I can have a bit of a gaming show (as we’re both gamers) and coupled with a discussion on Pixels.

Matt Gamble
Guest

My theatre caters to an up-scale clientele, and mainly women. So this has been a banner summer for us, as there has been plenty of stuff for our crowds. We’re still selling out Spy and Magic Mike, and last weekend we we’re ~20th in the country for Trainwreck. Toss in a new position and worse hours and voila, I’m barely ever around anymore.

Thomas Wishloff
Guest

In regards to a Cinecast pantheon, I have two things. One Flimspotting does something like this where they are not allowed to use certain movies for their weekly list segment, because they would overuse them otherwise. Two, how does this look for a cannon of sorts:

-THE BIG LEBOWSKI, THE COUNSELLOR, THE BURBS, MIAMI VICE, SOLARIS, CONTAGION, SOUTHLAND TALES, FORREST GUMP, THE IMITAION GAME, BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE, STARSHIP TROOPERS, THE PRESTIGE, GANGS OF WASSEYPUR, BOYHOOD, SUNSHINE, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY, EYES WIDE SHUT, THE SHINING, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, KILL BILL VOL. 1 AND 2.

This should be a letterboxd list.

Ultimo Lee
Guest

Opening: 01:50
Trainwreck [SPOILERS] 18:52
True Detective Episode 5 [SPOILERS]: 44:13
The Watch List: 104:08
Next Week: 2:25:50
End: 2:33:30
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Kurt, the guy who directed Tango and Cash did make more films after that, many more. Andrey Konchalovskiy won the Silver Bear at Venice last year for his latest.

Mostly with Andrew on True Detective. Take out the shoot out and the last two episodes have been very average. Vince Vaughn has been great even having to read some awful dialogue but Kitsch is just so bad, i felt embarrassed for him during the trailer scene.

Recommendations for 50’s: (a lot of these are mainly classics that most will have seen but you might find one or two)
1950: Harvey, Night and the City, Rashomon, Where the Sidewalk Ends & Winchester ’73.
1951: Strangers on a Train and The Lavender Hill Mob (seen very few in 51 & 52)
1953: The Big Heat, The Naked Spur, Ugetsu Monogatari & When You Read This Letter.
1954: Dial M for Murder, The Good Die Young, Johnny Guitar, On the Waterfront & Rear Window
1955: The Far Country, The Ladykillers, The Man from Laramie &The Night Of The Hunter
1956: The Man Who Knew Too Much, While the City Sleeps & The Killing
1957: Throne of Blood, Wild Strawberries & 12 Angry Men
1958: The Magician, The Bravados & Ice Cold in Alex
1959: Anatomy of a Murder, North by Northwest, Rio Bravo, Some Like It Hot & Fires on the Plain

Last year i watched a bunch of 40’s films for the first time and this year was supposed to be 50’s but it hasn’t worked out. i put a list of 50 or 60 i wanted to see together i’d post it but this post is already too long 😀

Andrew James
Admin

Thanks for the 50s list Lee. I’ve only seen about 2 or 3 on the entire list, but have seen all of the ones under 1959. Interesting.

Kurt
Guest

Wow! I’ve actually seen most of these. Maybe I’m not such a 1950s dunce after all!

Nat Almirall
Guest

Along with Ultimo Lee’s:

1950 — Sunset Boulevard, Treasure Island, The Asphalt Jungle
1951 — The Man in the White Suit
1952 — Scaramouche, The Quiet Man
1953 — Shane
1954 — Caine Mutiny, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
1956 — High Society
1958 — Touch of Evil, Mon Oncle
1959 — Darby O’Gill and the Little People

devolutionary
Guest

I’ll just do Film Noir (although a few years are blank since the classics I’ve seen were already mentioned). TCM has also been doing Friday night Film Noirs all throughout the summer.

1950: Dark City, In A Lonely Place
1951: Ace In The Hole (which I have not fully seen yet)
1952: On Dangerous Ground (early prototype for unhinged, violent cop film)
1955: Kiss Me Deadly (the first 2 acts make up the perfect noir)
1956: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt, The Wrong Man
1957: Sweet Smell of Success
1959: The Crimson Kimono (I believe you saw this one, right Kurt? Sam Fuller DC podcast ep)

Robert Reineke
Guest

I kind of want to throw a bunch of 50s genre stuff out there, but I suspect that you’ve seen all the obvious ones.

The Anthony Mann westerns are really good though and probably underseen.

Sam
Guest

The 50s and 60s might actually be my favorite decades of film.

I’ll second some 50s films already mentioned:
The Night of the Hunter [Charles Laughton; 1955]
Ace in the Hole [Billy Wilder; 1951]
Diabolique [Henri-Georges Clouzot; 1955]
Rififi [Jules Dassin; 1955]
Kiss Me Deadly [Robert Aldrich; 1955]

And toss out a few more not mentioned:
Los Olvidados [Luis Buñuel; 1950]
The Day the Earth Stood Still [Robert Wise; 1951]
Bob le flambeur [Jean-Pierre Melville; 1956]
The Big Combo [Joseph H. Lewis; 1955]
Elevator to the Gallows [Louis Malle; 1958]
The Incredible Shrinking Man [Jack Arnold; 1957]
Little Fugitive [Morris Engle/Ray Ashley; 1953]
Panic in the Streets [Elia Kazan; 1950]
Bad Day at Black Rock [John Sturges; 1955]
Curse of the Demon [Jacques Tourneur; 1957] (inspired Raimi’s Drag Me to Hell)
7 Men from Now [Budd Boetticher; 1956]
Man of the West [Anthony Mann; 1958]

Craig
Guest

A Royal Affair was actually Mark Kermode’s second favourite film of 2012 (Berberian Sound Studio was Number 1) and while I don’t agree with him on a lot of things, he’s pretty good when it comes to non English language fare.

I’ve also seen Faults and pretty much agree with Andrew, a lot to admire but I didn’t all out love it.

I’m not very familiar with the 50’s but a few recommendations:

Ikiru (1952) Kurosawa film that isn’t a Samurai adventure, very touching drama.

Les Diaboliques (1955) One of the greatest creepy Horrors ever made.

Rififi (1955) One of the great heist films, has probably the most tense 20 minute sequence (almost wordless) in that genre. Jay Cheel is a big fan.

In A Lonely Place (1950) Bogart film that I only saw last week, a Noir where the mystery is pretty inconsequential, more of a look at the Bogart character and very dark for the time.

schizopolis
Guest

I’m with Kurt. I’m still down with True Detective. Love the time jump in ep. 5. I think my favorite scene was basically the Suicide Squad round up. “Amanda Waller” bringing the band back together in secret and making a side deal with Colin Farrell. Loved it.

I’ll easily concede that the first season is better, but that season IMO is one of the best seasons in all of television. That said, season two is tight. I disagree with most of the armchair critics on the internet. Everything is finally coming together and I can see the world they’re building. The show seems to be about the underworld around each setting and the big conspiracy formed based on its elements. Season 2 – the South: right-wing religion, cults, macabre, etc. Season 2 – LA: sex, vanity, ambition, narcissism, etc. Each character is a direct product of their environment and the “detectives” are basically deconstructing the core problems of their world. They’ll never bring down “the man” behind the conspiracy because the man is basically just a facilitator of those elements. Okay…I’m totally reading too much into it. But, this is the kind of shit I eat up! It seems to me that the story is building up for Vaughn’s character to be Michael Corleone. He’s gonna run everything.

schizopolis
Guest

Rock Hudson in Pretty Maids All in a Row (1971) – directed by Roger Vadim, adapted screenplay by Gene Roddenberry, Angie Dickinson, Telly Savalas in a sex/horror comedy!

Robert Reineke
Guest

I feel like it would be cruel to reveal to Kurt the next film for Cop Car’s director.

Andrew James
Admin

LOL

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