Mamo 415: Ant-vengers, Assemble!


The Marvel Cinematic Universe offers up its weakest opening weekend since The Incredible Hulk with Edgar Wright Peyton Reed’s Ant-Man, so we assemble the avengers – Norm Wilner from Now Magazine and Someone Else’s Movie, and Greg LeGros from See You Next Wednesday and Time Bandits – to geek out over what’s gone on in the MCU (and the Distinguished Competition, as well). Plus, smoked meat!

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Matthew Fabb

I was going to avoid this podcast for spoilers, but ultimately decided that I really don’t give a damn about Ant-Man and if I see it or not.

I definitely agree that going forward, one of the biggest issues facing Marvel is giving directors leeway to make the movie that they want to make.

After listening to some interviews with Joss Whedon about Age of Ultron, it’s very clear that he wasn’t happy with the final movie. I forget which scene Marvel execs weren’t happy with (Thor scene?) but he says they basically put a gun to the farm sequence and threaten to junk all of that unless certain edits were made. That doesn’t sound like the nicest relationship and once again.

Fans at SDCC were pushing for Whedon to make a director’s cut of the movie, but he strongly disagrees with just the idea of director’s cut. He seems to take the opposite approach of say Lucas in that Whedon only ever wants there to be one cut of any movie he makes, no matter how much he disagrees with the end result.

Anyways, my point being is that if the guy was responsible for Marvel’s most successful movie, bringing in $1.5 billion, doesn’t have enough clout to make the movie the way he wants to, then how does Edgar Wright or other directions like him stand a chance? Hopefully with the less than stellar success of Ant-Man that Marvel will try to soften that approach a bit.

As for DC movie, I’m curious to see how they turn out and if they end up all looking very much like a Zack Snyder styling. Whether or not a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy could exist in DC Universe or if they will push way too hard on the whole grim & gritty aspect.

Matthew Fabb

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… or at least sort of spoilers, as I talk about where a scene is from not what is actually in that scene.

Regarding the end of credits stinger apparently they were originally going to go with a funny gag to end it off the final stinger.

However, the dailies for Captain America 3 were coming in and Kevin Feige liked what he saw in one of the scenes and decided to make it the last bit of Ant-Man. Which is strange to think that they are now putting in pieces of other movies, in which not even a trailer has come out, into other movies so that you know how they will be connected. I hope they don’t start doing this more in the future.


The slow Skim-Milk-ification of the MCU is making the MAMO! close-off Tony Stark quote get ironically supercharged with every discussion.


The thing about Superman is that he is not a real person but an imaginary fictional character so in a lot of ways any knowledge or history you have with him as a character (or any of these characters / universes) is a rather large crutch because there is no way the film will ever live up to the best of the best of cultivated stories about a character over a 70 year period (No Batman film will EVER be as good as DKR for example). Of course it doesn’t help matter when the trailer for said movie quote one of the better of those works and is cut for a tone that is far and away not the film that was presented.

However every character and every bit of Man of Steel worked from a logic point of view, in the scenes we are shown of Clark growing up and how he interacts with everyone the rest of the movie makes a bunch of sense, and so far so does everything being shown in the trailer for the next one.

As far as I am concerned the only actual definition of Superman is the origin which is put best in the opening page of that previous book All Star Superman (Doom Planet. Desperate Scientists. Last Hope. Kindly Couple.)
and everything shown in Man of Steel supports that definition.

Philip Poirot

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So Ant-Man in a nutshell – Dr. Hank Pym creates a revolutionary invention and profits from it. A rival figures out the same invention so Pym DECIDES that the rival is a Threat to the World. Pym Invades the rival’s facility and destroys all traces of him and his invention.
Then exclaims —
Hank Pym :: That’s how Dad did it, that’s how America does it, and it’s worked out pretty well so far.
Scott Lang :: Root beer. 🙂