Cinecast Episode 402 – Spooky Action at a Distance

Still not loads going on in the cinemas of summer, 2015. Yet we bravely venture on in the spirit of conversation (and possibly the longest running podcast – in terms of pure hours of content – on the internet? Help!); looking back wistfully at the works of Dante, Soderbergh and Cameron as we discuss the latest time travel debacle, Terminator: Genisys. Onwards, TV releases today are sometimes agreeable, sometimes controversial and sometimes divisive, so say we all with “True Detective” and “Hannibal” headlining our TV talk this week. But we also go back a stretch and revisit the new classic in Alfonso Cuaron’s Children of Men as well as another Laika studio entry, aching to be a classic, The Boxtrolls. Another shorter version of The Cinecast that finds the tangents of here and there; wherever the conversation seems to feel right.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

 

 
 


 

TIME TRACKS:

See comments for time track listings – thanks to Ultimolee for the extra elbow grease!

 

PRE-SHOW WARMUPS:

– Upcoming schedule
– In the theaters this summer

 

MAIN REVIEW:

Terminator: Genisys

 

TRUE DETECTIVE:

Season 2, Episode 3

 

THE WATCH LIST:

KURT
Children of Men

ANDREW
– “Hannibal” season 1
The Boxtrolls

 

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Sean Kelly
Guest

Since I’ll be at Fantasia for the first week (my first time at the festival), you have my permission to repost any reviews I write.

antho42
Guest

Season 3 of Hannibal is the most avant garde thing on TV.

antho42
Guest

Gilliam Anderson is amazing in season 3.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I must watch this show!

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

Prediction: Kurt will LOVE Season 3.

Matt Gamble
Guest

So it’s a shitty season then?

devolutionary
Guest

Haha, the litmus test continues! Now I’m antsy over finally delegating time for this season.

Gerry
Guest

Actually episodes 5 and 6 are pretty good. Mason Verger continues to be very creepy.

schizopolis
Guest

I’m blown away on the lack of vitriol Terminator Genisys is receiving by critics. I’ve calmed down since my screening, but it’s garbage in every way. It’s by far the worst in the series. It’s not a real movie, more like cynical corporate product. I’ve dumped on it enough on letterboxd and social media. All I could say is that if you can tolerate the tone and execution of this scene (in or out of context), then maybe see the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42rSOXd5kig

I’m not masochist, but I’m curious to getting Kurt’s take on it. Cheel on Film Junk gave it a pass: 2.5/5 stars.

Andrew James
Admin

Possibly the worst thing about T:Gen is that they made Reese kind of an idiot who never listens or thinks.

I also agree that it’s cynical corporate product, but so is Jurassic World. And at the very least I had some fun with the action sequences in this film (that just keep on coming and coming) while I was just plain bored throughout JW.

I just listened to the Film Junk review this morning. And they mostly rip on it and then give it a pass – which kind of what I’m proceeding to do. It’s got a lot of garbage in it, but for some reason it feels enjoyable and fun.

schizopolis
Guest

After enduring Genisys, I actually hopped into Jurassic World and enjoyed it far better. Granted I don’t revere the original Jurassic Park like the 1984 Terminator, but JW was an actual movie with some fluidity and self-aware, but believable performances, unlike Genisys, which was just a bunch of scenes stapled together. It’s like watching bad live-action comic book television.

I could understand Spielberg supporting JW, but Cameron coming out of whatever submarine he’s living in these days to endorse Genisys is insulting. What also bugs me is that Alan Taylor and the producers at the of the day are thinking..”hey, at least Cameron and the critics are saying it’s better than T3 & Salvation”. It’s not better! Not by a long shot. I’m not calling them stupid. I just think they probably haven’t seen those films in over 6 years. I have recently and at the very least, they are real movies.

Nathan
Guest

Terminator 3 seems to get constantly ripped on, I will admit the plot is basically recycled from T2, but just judged on a basic action movie level it completely succeeds. The crane truck chase sequence is still one of the very best action set-pieces of the past 15 years. The other action scenes are solid as well.

Kurt
Guest

agreed. agreed. agreed!

Andrew James
Admin

I think we mentioned this in last week’s show (or maybe that was off air?). T3 isn’t great, but the fire truck scene alone is worth the ten bucks for admission.

devolutionary
Guest

Based on rewatches, I flipped my initial reactions on both T3 and Terminator Salvation. I enjoyed ROTM at the theater but grew to loathe it on repeated watches at home. Salvation was a lukewarm experience in the theatre but I think it works far better when watched in tandem with the first 2 films. Neither was that great or necesary though. The best stuff in Genisys was by far the re-visiting of the original Terminator timeline. I feel it all starts to go downhill once the alternate t-800 Arnie “Pops” enters the picture, although I still enjoyed the Terminator vs Terminator fights.

Andrew James
Admin

Just read your review. Totally forgot to mention the “bad boys, bad boys” COPS scene. Kind of doesn’t belong in the movie at all but that was one bit of humor that I liked quite a bit – among many others. It felt like “Guardians of the Galaxy” level humor.

Kurt
Guest

I cannot bring myself to watch utter garbage. I’m not getting any younger.

Ultimo Lee
Guest

Opening:
In-house business: 01:28
Terminator: Genisys [SPOILERS] 11:51
Star Wars Talk/American cinema going to hell in a handbasket: 27:53
True Detective Episode 3: 31:24
The Watch List: 49:15
Next Week: 1:22:40
End: 1:27:45

Sean Kelly
Guest

The “CGI Schwarzenegger” was actually a body double with a CGI head (ala The Social Network). There’s some photos online of the unaltered footage.

Also, Hugh Dancy is playing Will Graham in HANNIBAL (previously played by William Peterson in MANHUNTER and Ed Norton in RED DRAGON).

Cenation
Guest

Andrew, what were you going to say about the chase scene in episode 3 of True Detective in relation to Justin Lin’s direction? It seems like the consensus is that Lin’s direction was weak and there was a significant improvement once Janus Metz took over for that third episode, but I honestly can’t tell what the big difference is.

Andrew James
Admin

I was going to say that when that scene happened, I was kind of excited at the prospect of some action finally. Then I realized it was just another chase through [insert seedy location here], with “stop! Freeze! police!” stuff that’s in a thousand different movies. I’m in agreement with you, it doesn’t matter if it’s Lin or this other guy, it just wasn’t all that interesting. Again, compare it to the same scene from season one (roughly episode 5?) – that was a heart-pounding, amazing chase scene.

La Menthe
Guest

[When talking about Colin Farrell getting shot and supposedly dying]”It’s kind of like the Game of Thrones Jon Sn….*Spoiler Alert*”.

A little bit late for that Andrew. Thanks alot.

Fucking Internet.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Posting the quote as a comment that can be seen in the sidebar doesn’t help.

Gerry
Guest

To be fair to Andrew, Row Three are upfront about their reviews being spoilerific and Andrew said spoiler alert and waited a moment before revealing what you’re referring to.

La Menthe
Guest

Did I maybe not make it clear enough that he said “Jon Sn”, and then started saying “spoiler alert”? Unless I have an IQ below 50, I think I can figure it out.

It does need to be said though that he is far from the worst here. Numerous headlines on the internet about “here’s the internet’s reaction of the gruesome scene”, with picture of Sansa Stark standing besides Ramsay, and other headlines straight out calling out the “rape scene”, is one example.

Andrew James
Admin

Ha, sorry. But c’mon, that was ALL OVER the internet for about a week. I’m actually impressed you missed it.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Depends on what kind of sites you read online and who you have in your social feed. I’ve seen a small handful of comments on how this season of True Detective isn’t as good as season 1, but that’s pretty much it.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Someone from RowThree or La Menthe edit that comment? Unless there has been enough posts to push it down. As yeah, I haven’t watched any of this seasons True Detective but saw your spoiler by just scanning the comments feed.

Gerry
Guest

SPOILER ALERT FOR TRUE DETECTIVE AND GAME OF THRONES XXX SPOILER ALERT FOR TRUE DETECTIVE AND GAME OF THRONES XXX SPOILER ALERT FOR TRUE DETECTIVE AND GAME OF THRONES XXX SPOILER ALERT FOR TRUE DETECTIVE AND GAME OF THRONES XXX SPOILER ALERT FOR TRUE DETECTIVE AND GAME OF THRONES XXX

I thought the latest episode of True Detective felt run of the mill despite the ending, which wasn’t as impactful for me as the end of episode 2.

It felt like the ending of the Game Of Thrones episode Hardhome. Lots of shit went down in both endings but it felt to me like a series of actors / characters going through the motions rather than affecting drama.
The only convincing main character reaction to the ending was, as usual, Farrell’s.

I don’t know what to make of Kitsch’s character because of his back-story. Normally I’d feel total sympathy for a gay / bi character who fears being outed by some empathy lacking a-hole but his back-story doesn’t make sense.

So Kitch felt comfortable living a gay life in a village in Iraq / Afghanistan but not in a gay neighbourhood of LA … wait, what?

His boyfriend said he wished their lives in the village could have gone on forever, but given the fact that the village was in, according to Kitsch’s history, Iraq or Afghanistan, the 2 of them would be targets for IED’s etc assassination because they were Blackwater / the US military, plus those countries aren’t renowned for being gay friendly.

Neither is the US military as far as I’m aware and I’m guessing a lot of Blackwater employees would be ex military.

One good aspect of the show is the air of doom surrounding Vince Vaughn’s character.

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