Cinecast Episode 401 – The One with Nothing to Talk About

Nothing. Well, damn near nothing. Dope is pretty good. The year is pretty weak at the halfway mark. What else is there to say? Whatever it is, we say it on this show. So have a listen.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

 

 
 


 

TIME TRACKS:

See comments for time track listings – thanks to Ultimolee for the extra elbow grease!

 

REVIEWS:

Dope

 

2015:

Top 5 of year so far…

 

THE WATCH LIST:

KURT
– “True Detective” (s02e02)

ANDREW
White God

 

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Gerry
Guest

I thought this weeks True Detective was a little slow, and predictable in parts, but I did not see the last minute coming and was like fcuk, I can’t wait a week ’til the next episode. Once I’d calmed down I thought I could see what would happen, or at least I hope so.

This year’s show has the feeling of a 3 – 4 hour miniseries expanded into 8 hours. No one will be happier than me if it picks up and I’m proved wrong.

I find the dialogue a little novelistic as opposed to natural, rather than hyper literate, which is too complimentary a description for me. Last year that worked because it felt natural to McConaughey’s character.

Pizzolatto made a statement last year about this years season either being about or being inspired by the history of occult and the us postal service, so I expect it to get majorly occulty soon.

Nither of you mentioned Spy or Woman In Gold in your favourite films. I’d highly recommend both if you haven’t seen them.

Ultimo Lee
Guest

Opening:
In-house business: 1:47
Dope [SPOILERS] 4:01
Top 5 of 2015: 25:02
True Detective Episode 2: 38:21
White God 46:19
Next Week: 47:41
End: 58:28

antho42
Guest

No love for Hannibal? Mads Mikkelsen, Gillian Anderson, and Morpheus.

Also, I want to check out Olivia Asayas’ wife house epic, Eden. I

Andrew James
Admin

Yeah I’m looking for a show to get into and I think Hannibal is the right answer.

Didn’t know Assayas had a show out – I’ll look into it!

Andrew James
Admin

Watched s1e1 of Hannibal last night. Yup, I’m hooked. I’m looking forward to banging through the series!

antho42
Guest

Nope. It is film. His wife’s film about his French House producing brother (from the Daft Punk era). Still has not open in SLO, but I been hearing good things about the film.

antho42
Guest

Also, Kurt, you sold me on Terminator Genysis. If it is a good as Albert Pyun’s Cyborg, I will be a happy viewer.

schizopolis
Guest

Haha…Costner film makes Andrew’s top 5? Can’t wait until when Costner’s actually in an above average film.

Saw Terminator Genisys today. Fuck James Cameron for endorsing it because he convinced me to check it out. Unless you can tolerate Transformers style of storytelling and some really bad comic book tv dialogue, Genisys is truly awful. I found it worse than Rise of the Machines and Salvation. T3 was at least a true B-movie in the spirit of Roland Emmerich. Salvation was earnest (like T1) and has visual style, but ended up a bit pretentious. Whereas, Genisys is a generic comic book blockbuster film in the worst way. Apparently, I just found out there’s a post credits stinger. Except for JK Simmons and Jason Clarke, the acting is atrocious. The tone is worse than T3. It’s such a mess…pacing, editing, music cues. I honestly don’t even consider it a real movie. Just watch Looper instead.

Andrew James
Admin

I’m certainly not alone in praising McFarland USA. Sure, it’s a crowd-pleaser that’s been done to death, but Costner (and the running crew) somehow elevate it to better than average.

I am alone in Draft Day though. That movie is fecking great!

schizopolis
Guest

As for True Detective Season 2, I’m all in. But, I’m keeping my expectations at a moderate level. Farrell already proved himself with Miami Vice for me. I was a huge fan of Vaughn back in the mid to late 90s, so I’m really enjoying his return to drama. Meatier role in episode two. His scene where he was posing as a bystander on the street was classic Vince Vaughn. McAdams was better in episode two. Glad her knife scene from the first episode paid off. Still not thrilled with Justin Lin’s direction. It’s adequate, but nowhere near visual artistry of Fukunaga. The story seems to be piecing together nicely. Seems like this season is more Manhunter & Chinatown as opposed to Silence of the Lambs and Twin Peaks. I’m down for it.

Jonathan
Guest

So far on this season’s True Detective, I’m not really invested. As for Vince Vaughn, it seemed like a stroke of casting brilliance and I think he’s doing an adequate job, but his monologue about being locked in the basement, which was clearly supposed to be a powerful moment, was pretty eye-rolling. Not so much for Vaughn, but maybe moreso for finally starting to see through how weak Pizzolatto’s writing really is at times in terms of dialogue.

Andrew James
Admin

Agreed on all points. As to the above comment comparing this to Chinatown, it’s less Chinatown and much more like Sin City – except trying to take itself seriously and doesn’t totally work.

If one is able to fully separate themselves from season one and just watch this show for what it is (not what it was in season 1), there some good things going on in here but don’t think it would be really hooking the public.

schizopolis
Guest

That monologue didn’t roll my eyes, but I noticed the writing wasn’t very strong. I’m just glad it was early into the episode, not towards the end.

mike rot
Guest

I blame the direction, there’s something off in how some scenes hang there… like with the Mayor having to walk over to the other seat and have the detectives look around, stupid stuff like that. Also listening to another podcast and apparently Ray lives next to the Mayor’s office, like right next to it apparently?

I was fine with the Vaughn monologue, I just didn’t like that it looped back to the stain.

I’m all in.

Kurt
Guest

The transition from the stain to the factory was pretty sweet though.

I far more liked the underpass shakedown with Vaughn than the in-bed monologue, that type of monologue should have been saved for a later time when we know the characters a bit more, so it wouldn’t feel like a clumsy lump of foreshadowing/exposition.

Sam
Guest

No mention of Mommy at all in your Top 5s?

Sean Kelly
Guest

Mommy is a 2014 film. I had it in my Top Ten.

Sam
Guest

I’d say it qualifies for either 2014 or 2015, especially if Kurt could count Inherent Vice which is definitely a 2014 film in pretty much every way.

Mommy didn’t get a limited U.S. release until January 23 of this year, and Andrew didn’t see it until they reviewed it on the show a couple months ago, don’t remember if Kurt saw it at the same time or not.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

You’re probably right, although I saw it on BLU, not in the CINEMA this year. I would have edged SLOW WEST out of my #5 slot, for what its worth.

Andrew James
Admin

Kurt had Inherent Vice on his last year’s top ten (but no Clouds of Sils Maria):

http://www.rowthree.com/2015/01/13/row-three-favorite-films-of-2014/#kurt

#CallOut

Sam
Guest

Yeah, I could have sworn I had a distinct memory of Matt giving him shit for having it on his list, but gave Kurt the benefit of the doubt.

Lesson learned. Never give Kurt the benefit of the doubt.

Kurt
Guest

You guys are looking for consistency in a place that desires or demands little to none.

Andrew James
Admin

I retro-actively put Mommy in the number two spot from last year. #SoGood

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

This weeks True Detective (S02E03) opened with a bang, there is a superb ‘Twin Peaks’ / Mullholland Dr. vibe going on, with the Conway Twitty song just perfect. Adding Fred Ward to the mix makes my week and I am totally back on board with this season. They managed to get a LOT of stuff done in a single episode here and things are really starting to move forward.

Kudos on the casting choice of “Woo” from The Big Lebowski directing the Max Max: Vinci Road movie in the middle of the show. You think the carpet pissers did this?

Gerry
Guest

Colin Farrel is carrying this show for me, and Vince Vaughn is pretty good too.

I didn’t buy the McAdams teeth / baggy remark, because McAdams didn’t sell it well enough with her acting, and it totally undermined her character as set up by the knives rationale.

The vulnerable / troubled cop that the Knives rationale set up was good enough, it didn’t need that false feeling bravado.

I also didn’t buy the whole Vince Vaughn gold teeth sequence.

I hope all this has been vague enough so as to not constitute spoilers.

devolutionary
Guest

Just have to be disciplined and patient in reminding myself that Season 2 of True Detective has little resemblance and no bearing on Season 1. Still gotta love T-Bone Burnett’s score though. Thought Episode 1 was alright with a few flashes of great editing and drama while Episode 2 was meh. Haven’t seen episode 3 yet but reserving judgement. I still feel Justin Lin was an odd/unexpected choice for director.

Andrew James
Admin

I’m quite easily able to distance myself from season 1 and just take this as it stands. And I have to say I’m done with watching it week for week. I just have better things to watch (Eddie Marsan and/or Mads Mikkelsen) right now than a Sin City/Twin Peaks wannabe. Perhaps when it’s all done and if the reviews are good I’ll go back and mainline it via HBOGo.

But it’s just a lot of silliness taking itself so gruffly serious. Everyone talks like Geralt from Witcher III and there’s too many characters to really give a crap about any of their personal lives bullshit (Farrell’s son thing, McAdams ex, Vaughn can’t get it up, the beyond shitty character by Taylor Kitsch and his PTSD). I don’t care about any of these people, yet it’s trying so hard to make me care that it forgets there’s some sort of investigation going on – though at this point I have no idea who’s investigating what or why. It’s mostly just boring at this point.

Gerry
Guest

I’m still in, despite the fact that there’s probably a lot more bloat, silliness and ridiculous dialogue to come.

Kitsch is a bit of a waste of space, but here’s hoping he’ll do something interesting. He seems to be the least accomplished actor at the moment, bar the mayors wife.

McAdams and Farrel’s damaged and troubled pair of ‘tecs are starting to feel like a sympathetic team with enough humanity to appreciate each other, foibles and all, which is enough to engage me.

Matt Gamble
Guest

I’d disagree on the year being weak, I’ve already got a good 20-25 movies already that I’d be comfortable with being in my top 10. It helps that VOD is killing it with horror and other genre films when before those kinds of movies would be a huge chore to track down and watch.

Andrew James
Admin

I somewhat agree. I’m pretty happy with my top 20; though anything from 10-15 I would not ever consider top ten material. I mean I have Cinderella, Black Sea and Ex Machina and 18, 19 and 20 respectively so that’s a pretty solid stretch of films – sure they’re all treading familiar territory, but all doing it quite well.

As far as VOD, I’m not sure I’d say it’s “killing it.” You personally just tend to be into low budget genre fare. Which is fine, but I don’t think most people would exactly call that “a solid year in motion pictures.”

Andrew James
Admin

The rest of the summer isn’t looking much better. This is the middle of July(!) and we have three sequels this past weekend (that aren’t doing well) and next weekend we have Gallows, Self/Less, The Amy Winehouse doc and Minions. ZZZzzzz.

(yes, I’m looking forward to Minions but I don’t have high hopes and think it’s probably a bad idea)

I’ve looked at the upcoming schedule for The Uptown and boy oh boy is this going to be a looooong summer for movie goers (indie or blockbuster).

Matt gamble
Guest

This summer is fucking loaded with interesting films this year. And it’s helped by what is probably the strongest August I’ve seen in 15 years of working at movie theatres. There is ~20 movies being released in the next 2 months that are totally worth going to go see, and the majority of those are being released in the multiplex.

Seriously, this year is going to be 1984 or 1999 levels of loaded when the calendar finally rutns over. September was looking like the only weak month and now Sicario, Black Mass, 99 Homes and Pawn Sacrifice got added in the past month or 2 and even it is looking solid. October is one of the strongest its been in years and then it’s just going to be insane in November and December. From here on out there is barely a week that goes by where a film worth your time isn’t released, and generally it is 2 or more. This is a year where you’ll be able to make a Top 50 with ease.

Andrew James
Admin

Not a chance this is another 1984 or 2007 type of year. BUT. We do agree that the rest of the year is unforeseen. We only talk about the first 6 months and it’s pretty sparse of quality stuff.

Matt gamble
Guest

VOD is way more than just low budget genre fare. A good chunk of docs get released on VOD, and quite a few studios exists almost entirely on the model, and now foreign films (Force Majeur was a day and date VOD release last year)are starting to embrace the model as well.

So yeah, you can pretty easily have a solid year “at the movies” just from VOD.

Andrew James
Admin

Docs are for sucks.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

Make note of one of the few times where Matt & I agree 🙂

Matt gamble
Guest

It feels pretty good to finally be right, doesn’t it Jim?