Cinecast Episode 395 – Have an Exit Strategy

The multiplex continues to bore Kurt and Andrew, who have no interest in costumed heroes or a uniformed Reese Witherspoon. So it is off to Argentina for the Oscar nominated anthology film, Wild Tales. Game of Thrones hits the half-way mark and Kurt may have finally convinced Andrew of a) just how tedious things in Meereen have gotten, b) how much Stannis Baratheon has come into his own this season, and c) the power of a good long shot.

The watch-list creates a divide in taste on music and documentary form with Brett Morgan’s Montage of Heck. The strengths and weakness of Wes Craven’s The New Nightmare are discussed, along with a tangent on lost concept over-spill resulting from sold out movies. Don’t Look Now, but there is more Nic Roeg discussion on the Cinecast. As is the case of Kevin Costner, Shawn Levy and the race to the middle(brow). Finally, Alex Gibney’s Scientology doc, Going Clear is compared and contrasted with PTA’s The Master, for dos and don’ts in filmmaking.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

 

 
 

 


 

TIME TRACKS:

Wild Tales spoilers end @XX:XX
See comments for more time track listings – thanks to Ultimolee for the extra elbow grease!

 

MAIN REVIEW:

Wild Tales

 

GAME OF THRONES:

Season 5, Episode 5
Music provided by River City Healers

 

THE WATCH LIST:

KURT
Don’t Look Now
Going Clear

ANDREW
Montage of Heck
Wes Craven’s New Nightmare
Black or White
This is Where I Leave You

 

OTHER THINGS:

The Martian
Wild Tales opening credits
GoT recap in fucks
Ex Machina screening cancelled for Avengers 2 article

 

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Ultimo Lee
Guest

I might not get to listen to the whole show tonight (UK 12:30pm) but if you want to skip the Wild Tales spoilers they end at 50:00.

It’s a fantastic film(s)

Ultimo Lee
Guest

Opening:
In-house business: 00:33
Wild Tales [SPOILERS] 6:27
Game of Thrones – Episode 5 [SPOILERS] 50:00
The Watch List: 1:37:36
Next Week: 3:04:00
End: 3:10:47

antho42
Guest

I do not get the love of Pearl Jam. To me, they are a dad rock band dressed in an Indy package. Also, the band inspired some of the worst music ever. I am looking at you Creed, Stain, and Nickelback.

Andrew James
Admin

Everyone can and should have their own opinion on music. That said, Pearl Jam “Ten” was released just a month before “Nevermind” and it is soooo much better of an album in almost every way. 🙂

Goon
Guest

Nirvana inspired their fair share of shitty bands, as did Faith No More, U2, Alice in Chains. They all have their descendents. So what?

And for the record, Staind are Stone Temple Pilots’ fault.

Pearl Jam aged into borderline jam-band rock moreso than dad rock (and why wouldnt they be anyways? they aged. heaven forfend.) but for a time they were the other side of the Nirvana coin. Nirvana captured the hasty indecipherable expressive rage, and Pearl Jam were more poetically and contemplatively connected to peoples frustrations.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I liked MONTAGE OF HECK, but I really thought that Kurt was overdoing it with his hyperbolic praise of Nirvana (though I also don’t believe Andrew’s claim that the band’s overrated).

While much of my music fandom leans towards britpop era bands (ie Oasis and Blur), I don’t deny that Nirvana (and the other grudge bands) had huge influence and helped to put alternative rock into the mainstream.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I’m not talking Grunge, I’m talking only NIRVANA. They stood out in a big way from the movement they helped popularize. Yea, i like some of the other grungy acts (their precedent Sonic Youth, and their Metal-ish hybrid Alice in Chains)

They were an exciting offshoot of punk-rage in a way that pop-punk posturing GreenDay was certainly NOT.

I do not understand the love of Pearl Jam or U2 because their music, for the most part is utterly boring to me. The life to it seems to just hoover up money. Nirvana’s was angry, alive and raw, polished by a producer into something very unique. Somehow the bands music survived the music industry process (of which U2 and PJ, for me, did not.)

Sean Kelly
Guest

Maybe it’s because I’m younger than you and Kurt Cobain was already dead before I heard my first Nirvana song, but I don’t really get your “Nirvana stands out from everyone else” comment.

On the other hand, I have been a HUGE U2 fan since childhood and I own practically all of their albums (there’s maybe one or two I don’t have).

Kurt
Guest

Clearly our tastes are different. There is energy and emotion in most of the NIRVANA tracks, powerful shit happening. U2 cynically (at least after Rattle&Hum) just makes ‘good enough’ shit to make lots of money. Boring.

Andrew James
Admin

I agree on later U2. But holy shit, everything up to and including “Achtung Baby” is so damn good.

Andrew James
Admin

At the time Sean, Nirvana kind of did stand out from everyone else. Hair bands ruled the day until 1991 (Poison, Motley Crue, Warrant, Skid Row, Firehouse, Guns n Roses, et. al.) when “Nevermind” came out. Flannel shirts and general teenage angst became the need for many. I’d say by the end of 1991 everyone hated hair band music. It took three months for fans to completely turn on their favorite artists and embrace the “Seattle sound”. I know because I was one of those people (in high school). If you liked Motley Crue in 1992, you were uncool. Indie rock and “alternative” became the mainstream.

The point is, Nirvana was different… kinda.

Andrew James
Admin

I recognize not liking a particular music or artist over anotherl that’s just personal preference. But I cannot understand how you can’t feel emotion coming from early PJ and U2. The stuff Bono was singing about in the early days was dripping with heavy, sociopolitical overtones and real life crisis experienced first hand by a lot of people. Plus I’d argue that he has had one of the best voices of any front man ever.

As for Pearl Jam, their domestic lyrics and hard-hitting, but melodic, sound is crazy energetic and raw with emotion. Vedder was angry and just as withdrawn from stardom as Cobain was. You can see it coming from both of them when they’re on stage. The PJ20 doc does such a better job of showing that raw enthusiasm on stage then Montage of Heck does.

Nirvava, I’d agree, has a ton of emotion and energy. It’s just not a particularly likable energy (for me). Banging out 4 power chords as fast as you can and as hard as you can (/hyperbole) on your guitar and screaming non-sensically as a musical genre is generally just not my cup of tea (which is why their “Unplugged” album is easily their best). This is probably why I’ve never gotten into the punk scene. It’s antisocial, but pretty boring at its roots. It’s great for slam dancing and crowd surfing, but I like to look for intricacies and detail in music. Highs and lows. Precision + calculated messiness = perfection (see Jack White, Smashing Pumpkins, Secret Machines, Muse, hell even Phish). Jane’s Addiction is an example of a band who could do both and every song from their first three albums is amazing.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Evidently the mention of U2 transforms kindly, sweet Kurt into a frothing, Gamble-esque jabber-baboon. Love it.

Sean Kelly
Guest

If you haven’t seen it yet, a trailer has been released for a competing Kurt Cobain documentary called Soaked in Bleach, which focuses more on the conspiracy theories surrounding Cobain’s death.

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/soakedinbleach/127608901

Andrew James
Admin

I’m more interested in finally catching up with Van Sant’s take. Which I own on DVD and have never gotten around to watching.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I love LAST DAYS! I saw it in a tiny cinema in Rochester where i was the only customer. It was sublime.

Craig
Guest

Nirvana (and Grunge as a whole) just took the exciting Hardcore Punk sound of ’86-90, watered it down, made it radio friendly and safe for middle class “rebellion.”

The video for Teen Spirit is a record executive’s imagining of what a Hardcore/Punk show was around that time.

It’s no coincidence that the best Nirvana Song is Territorial Pissings that’s a 2 and a half minute angry Punk song.

Voncaster
Guest

I like Bad Religion and the Dead Kennedy’s, but I like Pearl Jam and Nirvana too. I don’t feel like PJ and Nirvana are wanna be punk bands. They are their own bands in a different time period. Pearl Jam and Nirvana drift from punk to rock and back depending on the song. Did they sell out by playing music on MTV and having videos? Maybe, but they reached a hell of lot more people and got to make a comfortable living off their music. I don’t begrudge them that.

On the Pearl Jam front, I’ll put Ten, Vs, Vitalogy, No Code and Yield against any bands discography. That is a really solid run of records. The problem with Pearl Jam is after Binaural they’ve settled into comfortable mediocrity. Their live shows are still excellent, but their studio music is pretty forgettable after 2000.

Nirvana also benefits from not having later year releases. Who knows if later year releases would live up to their earlier records. Probably not. Most artists interesting work is at the beginning of their career. This holds for film as well. Compare Tim Burton, George Lucas or Ridley Scott’s now to their earlier work. Usually the younger, hungrier, less knowledgeable version of an artist producers more interesting and vital art.

Andrew James
Admin

I endorse everything in this post.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

“Better to burn out, than to fade away” – The Kurgan.

Andrew James
Admin

Fixed. 😉

“Better to burn out, than to fade away” – The Kurgan Joe Elliot.

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Sean Kelly
Guest

Fixed again. 😛
“Better to burn out, than to fade away” – The Kurgan Joe Elliot. Neil Young

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antho42
Guest

I always find it interesting when people who were uncool for there early lives later become and define cool; and yet remain really weird people. People like Kurt Cobain, Robert Smith, and rock star, computer programmers.

Patrik
Guest

Thank you Kurt, I also think U2 are way over rated.

Rick
Guest

I agree that U2 the modern band is a piece of crap that isn’t anything I want to listen to.

However I am not so singularly blind to the history of band to discount their early work either, so I can hate Modern U2 while also loving Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby and the good albums with heart and soul.

Gerry
Guest

Enough already!

Everyone go listen to some Thomas Bergersen / Two Steps From Hell and some Junkie XL.

I discovered the latter after hearing his excellent score for Divergent and I’m looking forward to hearing his score for Mad Max.

Gerry
Guest

I also liked This Is Where I leave You.

Despite it’s roster of comedy actors I didn’t find it remotely funny, but I thought it was a reasonably enjoyable little film that was carried by Jason Bateman.

Darcy
Guest

U2 haven’t written a decent tune since 2000, they did about 3/4 good albums, I like the funky early 90s stuff anyway they went balls up as they went into their 40s like most bands, musos, as for Pearl Jam, seriously watch Pearl Jam unplugged, if ur talking grunge you have to talk Eddie Vedder, this dad band wank wtf just cause they are 20 years ago now or something, also Eddie was like 39/40 when he did music of Into the Wild and I’m Not There, the former for me is Mt fav album of songs written for film, period, so nirvana 2 great albums out of 3, Pj I’d say was about at the same ratio, what r they up to about number 7 or 8, Ten and Vs so good but seem to only be remembered for Vitalogy bot bringing, anyway I’m speaking as a guy born in 1990, yo Kurt listen to Oceans, that was a freaking b-side, my fav Pj song over Black I’d say, I remember watching Into the Furnace and feeling in good hands when Release by Pj begins to permeate some scenes.

Andrew James
Admin

This is a tough comment to parse out, but I think I’m in 100% agreement with you here, Darcy. “Ten” and “Vs.” are so fucking good and full of musicality and energy its ridiculous. “Vitalogy” is where they ran thin for me and by the next album I tuned out and have only listened to each album once as they’re just not for me. But yeah, “Porch” is probably my favorite PJ song and man is it all full of details and highs and lows and people who can actually play instruments – which was always my problem with Nirvana. They’re catchy, but all of their songs more or less sound the same. It’s boring.

I’m also with you on U2. And the funny thing is, they know it. That’s why when they tour, they only play songs from about 1984-1994 (aside from a couple of the big corporate, Apple hits they had in the 2000s). Which is why their live show still kicks ass. I saw them in a downpour a couple years ago and it was a most cathartic experience. I also saw their 3D IMAX movie back in 200(?). That was also fun because it was basically all of the hits and you got to fly over the drum set. heh.

devolutionary
Guest

The irony (which I think is now lost on Bono) is that his band “became” the thing they were rising up against during their earlier post-punk days of the early 80’s. They were the populist answer to all the aging ANR/dad-rock bands of the time (Blue Oyster Cult, Boston, Air Supply, Journey, etc.) Unfortunately, somewhere along the way (maybe during Zoo TV) they forgot about that and decided to oversaturate the market with poppy, safe, predictable, and way-too-overpolished brand of rock.

Looking back on Nirvana’s discography, timing really was everything for Nevermind. The production, songwriting, producer, and landscape was begging for something like that. Go listen to Bleach, Incesticide, or In Utero and it’s clear to see that their merging of punk, “grunge”, and pop came fullswing on this album. I imagine a large part of it’s appeal is the ability to mix abrasive, raw, edgy music with a pop-style production and conventional verse/chorus/verse structure (mostly). They never really delivered something as consistent as Nevermind although that’s not even my favourite Nirvana record.

I’m mostly in agreement with Andrew and Darcy on Pearl Jam although I haven’t really listened to any of their works since Riot Act.

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