Mamo #395: Million Dollar Spider

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Spider-Man joins the Marvel Cinematic Universe and we look at white privilege in superhero movies, Hollywood, and film history via last year’s Jon Hamm baseball picture, Million Dollar Arm. Watch us weave our web!

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Kurt Halfyard
Guest

I kind of get that (“yes it’s often condescendingly reductive and racist, but boy, oh, boy is this working on other levels”) feeling with Spielberg’s TEMPLE OF DOOM, and I enjoy the heck out of the film too much to let that detract…But then again, INDIANA JONES is more conscious throwback to another time and it being an adventure movie, is probably easier to compartmentalize…

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

That Twitter kerfluffle was me! Well, partly, anyway. In retrospect, a 6-month delay probably isn’t anything to get worked up about (especially since I can’t claim any loyalty to the source material, which I haven’t read yet – the first volume of the current run is on hold at the library!), but it’s just another microaggression, you know?

Goon
Guest

Thoughts on Million Dollar Arm vs. Cool Runnings? The latter is also centered around a white male, and several of the bobsledders have puppyish tendencies, but I remember them each having character flaws and a story arc where they grow as individuals. Is there none of that in Million Dollar Arm?

Craig
Guest

I found the comment about “white culture” repackaging foreign culture to make it more amusing a bit strange. Mainly as not long ago one of the Matt’s was trying to make us believe that the dictatorship in North Korea isn’t as bad as it’s made out to be and that a lot of it is just an impression given to the West.

A more dangerous and ill advised point of view than anything in a fictional Jon Hamm film ever could be.

Rick Vance
Guest

Marvel and DC can also do whatever they want right now because this summer they are both doing large scale events to shake everything up again and no one is sure what the pieces will all be on the other side of them.

People always like to try and say that Superhero stories are the modern myths but that has never held up for me for one simple reason. Those big mythological epics have a beginning a middle and an end, Superhero franchises are developed around the idea of never ending. Because of that they are always built to drift back to the center of where they began because they draw in creators who grew up reading a character and who wants to write/draw that character.

It is a big part of the reason nothing either company is publishing is interesting me and the Marvel films have that feeling too.

Kurt
Guest

Agreed insofar as each Marvel Movie feels like an extended trailer for the next one. Which is lame.

Andrew James
Admin

I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Each one is either a trilogy or is fully encapsulated film/story. Sure, at the end they tack on something along the lines of, “next time, on Captain America…” – but mostly each movie is its own thing, i.e. kind of disingenuous to call the whole thing just a setup or trailer for the next movie.

I still extend to you the Iron Man 3 challenge. It’s excellent and gets rid of all the tropes (except maybe the end) you, Kurt, extend to these types of films.

#cantbelieveimdefendingsuperherocomicbookmovies

Rick Vance
Guest

That has fallen apart in the age of the Look at this spreadsheet of movies coming out in the next four years.

And they have only been limited to 3 film things SO FAR. If history of how Marvel likes to use these characters pans out it will not be self contained trilogies or anything like that.

Matt Gamble
Guest

You mean like TV does? Every. Single. Episode.

Rick Vance
Guest

Not speaking for Kurt but for me I don’t mind it when that thing is singular series or show (I have read 778 chapters of One Piece as an example). It is when they have to mesh and cross and are not allowed to interrupt the status quo in fear of its long term repercussions. Basically if you are going to serialize and connect the pieces of something it better be goddamn worth it in the long run, or it all looks hollow very very quickly.

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