Cinecast Episode 379 – Collaborated, Coagulated, Copulated

This is one of those episodes with no new reviews (blame January, folks!) Instead Andrew & Kurt get into a lengthy discussion about re-watching films. From the starting point of “Inherent Twice” they each drop 5 titles up for discussion on how opinion/evaluation/appreciation of the film changes with multiple viewings. Then it is on to the watch list. Salty tongued Office-slash-Spy comedy, bad bad bad Nicole Kidman version of Groundhog Day, 1970s car chase drama, gender-bending time travel, and Jazz, baby, Jazz. A side tangent on whether or not to ‘read the book first’ or ‘watch the movie’ first in light of Ridley Scott’s forthcoming The Martian rounds out the show.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!





Opening Quote: The Wild Bunch
Closing Music: Garden on a Trampoline
See comments for time track listings – thanks to Ultimolee for the extra elbow grease!



– Thanks to Nat Almirall for the new Cinecast banner!
– New additions to the RowThree Podcast Network (After the Hype & Not at Odds)



Movies that require a re-watch (inspired by Inherent Vice)

5. Rare Exports
4. “Breaking Bad”
3. Solaris (1972)
2. The Wild Bunch
5 Movies I don’t understand why people don’t like:
Domino, Death Proof, Miami Vice, The Counselor, The Life Aquatic


5. Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang
4. Zoolander/Walk Hard
3. The Fountain
2. JFK
1. The ‘burbs
anything by Almodóvar, anything by Wes Anderson, Café de Flore, Cabin in the Woods, Requiem for a Dream, Catch Me if You Can, Cornetto Trilogy
movies I want to rewatch as I think they will improve:
The Master, Munich, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Cloud Atlas, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, Quantum of Solace, Tree of Life


5. The Prestige
4. 2001: A Space Odyssey
3. Shutter Island
2. Three Women
1. Mulholland Drive



– “Archer” (s1-4)
Dirty Mary Crazy Larry
Ken Burns’ Jazz

Before I Go to Sleep
– “The Martian” (book soon to be adapted directed by Ridley Scott)

Andrew’s ‘IMDb 250 Watch List’



Kurt on The Time Bandits Podcast talking about The ‘burbs (and Skid Row!)



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In-house business: 00:41
Top 5 Gonna Need a Rewatch Films: 18:50
The Watch List: 1:40:07
Project Ideas: 2:29:00
End: 2:36:58

Great to see all the Black Mirror love. Also surprised no one has managed to get Kurt and Andrew to try out Hannibal, Kurt will especially love it.

Pedantic Point Out: Before I Go to Sleep is directed by Roland Joffe’s son, Rowan. Roland Joffe has made plenty of films since The Mission most of which are terrible/look terrible like Captivity and The Scarlet Letter


Hannibal has been on my list for ages, but as it gets more and more episodes under its belt, the exercise gets more and more intimidating. I’m liking Archer because each season is 10×20 minute episodes. I’ll get to Hannibal and Black Mirror at some point for sure.

Rick Vance

Kurt since you seem to be on a TV binge mode have you seen the 6 episodes + 1 Special of Black Mirror?

If not you should track that stuff down (it is on US Netflix) because it is easily the best that modern speculative science fiction has to offer. It is right mix of darkly comedic while being horrifying and not ever too far from where you could see the world as it is moving towards.

Andrew James

I watched the first two episodes last night and will binge the rest of my way through the series. Pretty twisted (but relevant and smart) take on the human psyche.


Black Mirror is so far up Kurt’s alley he’ll be walking funny for a week.

Rick Vance

I just watched the 5th episode last night and it almost made me physically ill, but in the best way.

Jim Laczkowski

White Bear? One of the best episodes of television ever. I’m glad that there’s a high quality successor to The Twilight Zone out there. I really hope there are more episodes of these, and that the inevitable American remake doesn’t screw it all up.

Kurt: Get on BLACK MIRROR! You will fall head over heels for it, guaranteed.

Rick Vance


White Bear and Entire History of You were probably my favorites and the Christmas episode has a special place because I was stupid and didn’t connect the dots until much too late when it had the big punch.

I still can’t believe how far in how many directions White Bear goes it is really stunning.

Also Jim do you watch Brooker’s other TV things?

His year end wipes are nothing short of incredible.



They are what got me to watch Black Mirror.


When it arrives in the mail next week, I’m starting a new viewing project with my kids. “THE TWILIGHT ZONE PROJECT” will have the three of us going through the entire Blu-Ray box; every episode of the original run of The Twilight Zone. I’m still not sure if we will do a video or audio component, or just simply watch the episodes together on our hometheatre, but I may record some reactions and pepper them into the cinecast.


Five films which came to mind concerning appreciation grew significantly on a 2nd watch:
#1 – Zodiac
#2 – Jackie Brown
#3 – Magnolia
#4 – Gross Pointe Blank
#5 – The Parallax View

Andrew James

This is indeed a great list – though I’ve loved Magnolia from day one, I too think it gets richer each time I watch.

Grosse Point Blank. Totally man, totally. Good call!


Perfect that you mention THE PARALLAX VIEW which is a film that I have never gotten all the way through, and have been somewhat mystified by the cult-status of it for years. I should give it a try again while it is still on Netflix.


My appreciation grew on The Parallax View on a re-watch because of how the film doesn’t hold the viewer’s had at all. When a scene ends and transitions to the next scene, the viewer has no idea how much time has passed and where the story has relocated to. It leaves it up to the viewer to keep up and figure out what’s going on from scene to scene.


The Venture Bros is a masterpiece

Rick Vance

That recent special reminded me exactly how much that is true.


I agree, when you watch a movie and then read the book sometimes it affects how you view the book. Totally did for Dean Koontz Phantoms. 😀

La Menthe

More talk about Inherent Vice? Can’t wait to sit down and hear more about what Matt has to say about the subject. I was agreeing with 99% of what he said about that film the last time, as I’m a PTA-fanmyself (TWBB and PDL are among my favorite films of all time), but came out with the same feeling and anger after watching The Master. A film I remember coming out of going “what the fuck?”, and then proceeding to reading and listening to reviews of, where literally everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) had no sense at all what the film was about, as it was a great big mess with good and understandable individual scenes, but incomprehensible film as a whole. Still it was hailed as a great piece by everyone.

I can only imagine Inherent Vice being the same kind of film.

There is a big difference between arts film being hard to understand, and art films that are pretending to be hard to understand, and actually being quite empty and shallow. I’ve followed PTA quite a lot, and have watched/read more or less any interview he has been in. And it is precisely because of this, of how he is as a person and how he interprets his own films that has convinced me that he is a far meeker director than people make him to be. His PDL-interview on Youtube, where the interviewer keeps making snobbish and stupid analysis of PDL, that Anderson keeps childishly laughing at and dismissing, while he’s eating a pizza, is a great watch. PDL is by no means a stupid or simple film. But Anderson’s reaction and answers humanizes him, and furthermore rationalizes his and other art-film directors’ films to plainer layers than people often assume them to have. As if making entire reviews of his films (like with The Master), where the reviewer can’t even make tangible arguments for what the film Is about, is not enough…

Paul Thomas Anderson had his peak with There Will Be Blood, a film that was saved by his usual flawless direction, and of course the deep and overreaching themes of the film (where Anderson only needs to add the controversial topics into the story to achieve success with it).

But as I mentioned, this is prevalent in many art-film directors and their films – especially if they already have a respected reputation. The Coen-brothers, one of Matt’s favorite directors’, is a great example of this. No one can deny the talent of these guys (A Serious Man is their best film in a long, long time), but I dare you to try and find me a tangible analysis of No Country For Old Men. That film was, like The Master, a masterwork in certain aspects (cinematography, acting, drama, etc. etc.), but was always severely lacking in the exact same aspects as The Master was. I may be taking a big risk for saying this, as I haven’t watched this massively hailed film in many years, but I still stand by my point. I can take an even bigger “risk” and pick out The Shining as Kubrick’s “hailed for no-good-reason”-film.

Kurt Halfyard

Alas, Le Menthe, it’s just Andrew & I on this episode (I know the banner image is misleading in that department)

p.s. Indeed, you’re crazy about the shining, every frame of that film is interesting.

La Menthe

Oh, don’t get me wrong about The Shining. I completely agree with you about it being a very, very good film. I just don’t understand the fascination of it, as I consider it one of Kubrick’s weakest film, and also an immense psychological thriller/horror that lacks an ‘objective’ (if I can put it like that). I’ve watched several of Kubrick’s films, in particular Dr. Strangelove, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Clockwork Orange and The Shining multiple times. And where I always learn and find out something new about the three former films, I always end up being negated with The Shining. It’s a great fucking piece of direction; but that’s about it. There’s really not much to that film, as is the norm with his other films.


Question: Do you have children? The Shining will resonate a lot more.

La Menthe

No, I do not (as of yet).