Cinecast Episode 369 – Sometimes You Gotta Lie to Tell the Truth

We should retitle the show from Cinecast to “room full of loudmouths.” Matt Gamble is back on the show this week to add that extra dimension of bitching, praising, complaining, droning and bloviation that this episode needed to give the series a good crane kick in the ass. First up it’s the festival favorite TIME LAPSE, which despite its high concept and heady nature, the boys find surprisingly little to say about except that it’s pretty great. Andrew and Matt report on the Jeremy Renner vehicle, KILL THE MESSENGER – which peaked far too early in the run time. Pat Morita is the sensei for THE KARATE KID in this week’s volume of The 1984 Project. With The Watch List this week, it’s more Fincher, more Duplass, more sci-fi and high concept, cannibalism, Amazon Prime, Mike Meyers’ directorial debut and Harry Potter with horns. Lastly we argue about nothing regarding HBO’s newly announced method of content delivery.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!





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– New podcast and site design at WTLTE
– More R3 design tweaks
– RIP Elizabeth Peña
TAD preview





~ 1984 PROJECT ~



Supermensch: The Legend of Shep Gordon
– “Transparent” (s1)

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011)
We Are What We Are

The One I Love



– Men, Women and Children (Jason Reitman)
– Fury
– The Boxtrolls


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Andrew James

A nice podcast/discussion on the HBO thing:

Andrew James

Just double checked my math on my cable/internet bill and I was right.

Comcast charges $63.95/mo. for 50Mbps internet. This is what I have. I also have a few dozen standard definition channels and about 50 HD channels; including HBO and access to HBO GO. My final bill this month is just under $74.

In short, after taxes and fees, I’m getting HD cable television, HBO and access to HBOGO for about five bucks. That’s a helluva deal. So if HBO starts their own online service, what would be my motivation to join? Unless they offer something more than what they already do with HBO GO, there is zero incentive for me to sign up.

Especially if Matt and Kurt’s hunch is correct and they get rid of the fairly large movie library that goes with it.

Andrew James

What this essentially means is that Comcast is willing to basically give me free cable TV and HBO so I don’t leave them for another ISP – which I guarantee I will do if fiber ever moves into my area. And that fiber network has been inching closer to my neighborhood every year = less than half the cost and 10x the speed!

Matt Gamble

Right now in Mpls Comcast is using HBO to push bundles which are more profitable for them than single services. From what I understand the profit comes not from the money they are paid by subscribers, but by being able to count you multiple times towards the number of people they serve, and thus allows them more power in dictating pricing with the various networks they are negotiating with, thereby reducing their costs and increasing their margins. It’s a fucking shell game.

Will this continue forever? I don’t know, it definitely has increased as cord cutting has increased, and to me seems more like a desperate attempt to artificially inflate their customer base, plus, who is to say Comcast will even offer HBO anymore if HBO starts their own streaming service? Or that they’ll use it to push bundles? If HBO is cutting their value to Comcast by becoming a competitor, then why would Comcast continue to help market them?

So while I doubt there is much incentive for you to switch in March of 2015, I bet there is a hell of a lot more incentive in March of 2016 and from that point forward.

Andrew James

Very likely, since most cable packages and pricing deals expire after a certain amount of time. Still, since about 2000 when I opened a Comcast (or the equivalent) account, I’ve always called about once a year and renegotiated my plan and pricing. I almost always come out on top by threatening to leave. And my threats are not bluffs.

Andrew James

I’m pretty certain HBO will remain a service that Comcast will offer for a long time. After all, HBO isn’t the only thing people want from a cable provider. They want ESPN and Fox Sports and CNN and AMC and whatever other shit is on TV these days. Forcing a customer to buy both the Comcast cable package for all that stuff plus HBO on the side might not work out so well for either side. It might happen one day, but I doubt any time really soon. Probably not even in this decade. But who the hell knows.

I basically get HBO for “free” right now. So mnah.


I’m pretty happy with blu rays and the free freeview TV services in the UK.

A lot of American films seemingly don’t get cinema releases here in the UK but turn up on free to air TV a couple of years later.

Re having to wait for big current releases to hit TV, I either buy them if I like them or, the case for the last few years, the quality of most cinema releases is so poor that I’m generally in no rush to rewatch stuff.

It makes me laugh when I hear Hollywood film execs say the home theatre purchse market is dead. Piracy probably does play a part but for me the main reason that I hardly buy films is that there’s little or nothing being released that’s worth buying.

Well done Mr / Ms film exec for conning us into the cinema to see your overhyped poor quality films but, seriously, you think we’re going to pay again for very poor quality product to watch at home? Try making better films.

I buy TV series on blu when they really drop in price – I have the patience of a saint – and I’d rather watch the shows this way than on SD streaming services, though obviously I’d watch them in SD quality on Netflix etc during first run.

Plus I have an absolute ton of films and shows on blu ray, my DVR etc and haven’t the time to watch everything, so it’s easier to wait and see stuff down the road.

I think Netflix increasing prices would kill them.


In-house business: 00:31
Time Lapse [SPOILERS] 8:41
Kill The Messenger [SPOILERS] 26:43
The 1984 Project: Karate Kid: 48:20
Watch List: 1:16:00
HBO GO/Future of TV Debate: 2:02:17
Next Week: 2:27:22
Outro music: 2:30:29


I also prefer the Swedish original version of The Girl With The Dragon Tatoo. I find it very rewatchable. I thought there were lots of hooks throughout to keep me interested.

I thought the Fincher version (which I’ve only seen once)was merely okay.

Andrew James

The scene in which he pieces the photos together at the parade is far more visceral and creepy in the Swedish version. Also, while I’d have to go back and rewatch the Fincher version, the rape scene and her subsequent revenge are pretty damn intense in the original.

We’ve had this argument before, but if the Fincher version was the only version, it would be pretty excellent. But since it’s a rehash of a (pretty great) movie that came out two years prior, it feels lazy. I’d much rather Fincher do original fare (as I always say with almost any director)… except Rian Johnson, I can’t wait to see what he does with Star Wars.



Maybe my view of Fincher’s version was coloured by seeing and loving the Swedish version first.

I thought Fincher’s version looked glossy and Rooney Mara was great but I just didn’t find it compelling.

After the main character escaped from the attempt to kill him, which I didn’t find tense in the slightest, I thought Fincher’s version became very messy.

I thought the Swedish version was way more cinematic and it’s grittier look suited the tone of the story more.

Andrew James

“Glossy.” That’s a better way of explaining it than my “slick” adjective. Dragon Tattoo deserves to be biting and gritty. Fincher’s version is glossy and flat-lined. It’s the same reason I enjoy 28 Days more than 28 Weeks. Weeks is too glossy/Hollywood slickness for the genre (dare I say franchise). Days is gorgeously artful in its shot selection and cinematography. Same goes for the European vs American versions of Dragon Tattoo.

Kurt Halfyard

28 Days later is a pretty ugly film. Yea, it works, but the digital cinematography has NOT aged well….

Andrew James

Disagree. It’s gorgeous.

Sean Kelly

I asked about John Rhys-Davies during the TIME LAPSE Q&A last night at Toronto After Dark and the director said that there was actually a series of flashbacks filmed with Davies’ character, but they were cut out of the film, since they gave redundant information and slowed the pacing.