Cinecast Episode 361 – We Smell Our Own

With Andrew turning traitor over to The Matinee this week, Kurt & Matt cobble together a much more ‘raw’ style of show. Opening with a bit of name calling on one of the Filmjunk boys, before moving on into The Planet of the Apes franchise with the latest Prequel/Sequel/Reboot chapter. The 1984 project is on hold this week, but no matter, lots of time is spent on the joy, craft and strategies of Marc Maron as The Watchlist focuses on the WTF podcast, his stand up special, Thinky Pain, and other things related to interviewing celebrities and working folks on tour. Matt has a sort spot for Jason Bateman’s directorial debut, Bad Words, and Kurt loses himself in the two big war films of 1970: M*A*S*H and Patton. There is more in this loose and casual episode, so have at it.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!





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– Andrew absent this week
– Film Junk-Mail spat and “Movie Theatre Concession-Off” trigged by Gamble
– New Cabin in the Woods Podcast: World Cup
Director’s Club Podcast on Sam Fuller is now available




~ 1984 PROJECT ~

On Hold This Week.




Thinky Pain with Marc Maron
The Sky Crawlers
The Dark Matter Of Love

Bad Words



– Fantasia Film Festival in Montreal is coming up, Ryan McNeil possibly filling in for Kurt



– Boyhood
– I Origins
– Hellion
– Mood Indigo



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Andrew James

Sounds like Kurt did his job really well. Kudos to the guys for putting this together perfectly.

For the record, I was on MatineeCast last night, though I did manage to catch Apes at a 10:30pm screening on Tuesday night.

Markus Krenn

This will be very intresting. Can’t wait for work tomorrow to dig through this.


Longtime Marc Maron fan and yes, his podcast has staled a bit, but really, not much since he still probably gets the best interviews out of people of any podcast and I still enjoy the hell out of his openings. I do miss the grittiness of the, say, first 100 episodes, but boy am I pleased he is having the success he’s having.

As far as working comics go, I put him with the elite such as (of course) Louis CK, Doug Stanhope, and Norm MacDonald. Thinky Pain is solid, although I saw the show live in Rochester last year and I wish he had recorded that one because, man… it was 2.5 hours of phenomenal comedy.

I dig Maron’s show too. It definitely wouldn’t exist without Louie, but I appreciate it’s not trying to be Louie. It’s basically his opening ten minutes of the podcast in the TV show format.

Andrew James

Talking Apes, I’m with both of you. Like Kurt, I actually really like the cynicism and dour mood and theme of this movie. The beginning twenty minutes is terrific and the siege on the wall is really fun, but like Matt, the more I think about this movie, the less and less I like it.

The pacing is terrible and the third act is boring and if it wasn’t for the simplicity of what’s going on, it borders on incoherent.

My stream of consciousness from LetterBoxd:

• Excellent use of 3D. Depth of field in particular is pretty stunning. Shots of things through glass are bold and fresh – some great moments looking through doors or gates opening just feel very visceral. Finally it’s starting to feel like film makers are understanding how to properly use the technology for good; with interesting and innovative ways – as simple as they may be.

• Poor pacing. Up, down, up, down, boring, exciting, down, up. I never felt in a flow at any point in the movie. It was a series of short lived moments that did not connect very well. Included in this would be useless characters (the son) juxtaposed with over the top characters (the angry gun guy). This makes the movie kind of blurry.

• Loved the bear sequence in the very beginning.

• Loved the initial siege on the tower. The silhouettes against the fire, the swirling tank cannon, etc. Pretty great sequence.

• Plot holes abound. I didn’t get why these people are stranded from the rest of the world. Where is the rest of planet Earth? Are they deliberately avoiding San Francisco? Where’s the UK? Where’s Japan? Where’s France? Where’s Australia? Hell, where is Orlando Florida? Are the people from all of these places fighting their own battles with other groups of apes that have magically spread across the globe? Impossible. So it must be just a plot hole we have to be willing to jump through in order to tell this particular story.

• I liked the ending. I like how in the end, everyone is wrong and we’ll just have to keep fighting because we (as humans and the ancestors of humans) are just born to be that way; i.e. it’s in our blood’s DNA.

• Nobody in this movie (as a character) did I ever latch onto. I found everyone really stagnant and more or less boring. Partly because their motivations are so cut and dry, we know where everyone stands (philosophically and thematically) right from the get go and there’s no real arc. So e can see where each character starts and we know exactly where they’re all going to end up. Again, kind of boring.

• All in all, the scope of the project was more than enough to keep me entertained. The apes looks great, though the sets are pretty bland. The moments of action are pretty neat, but everything in between is telegraphed, typical and is basically just static. So I more or less enjoy the movie, but as I reflect more, the less and less I like it.

Andrew James

As mediocre as the Apes movie is, we get to talk BOYHOOD and ZACH BRAFF next week!

Andrew James

The Tank shot: It is telling us something (however simple it may be). It tells us that the apes have taken over the tank but have no idea how to run it; it’s just running amok on its own. It’s also a great way to show the audience the lay of the land rather than simply pulling back on a crane shot.

Yes it’s showing off and it looks cool, but I do believe it has a function.


In-house business: 00:15
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes [SPOILERS]: 41:00
Watch List: 127:47
Next Week: 2:27:11
Outro music: 2:31:45


First things first … Jay C coined the term “Baby Blu” … so Kurt you can retract my lone accolade.

I stand by my CUSTOMER SERVICE prowess, I was a model employee during my tenure, perhaps one day I will venture to Minneapolis and disguise myself and document how Mr. Gamble and his theatre operate. STAY ON YOUR TOES.

Matt Gamble

What exactly makes you capable of judging how a theatre is run? I mean, outside of the 9 weeks of “work” you did at some unnamed theatre in the summer of ’96?


I enjoyed Dawn of the Apes a great deal. It’s not as angry and dark as the 1968 Planet of the Apes, and it may not quite be the Empire Strikes Back of the series, either. But it’s an interesting film.

I liked how the motivations of the characters, whether or not they were antagonists, were all understandable. Initially, at least, Koba (and his human counterpart, Gary Oldman) has a point of view that is reasoned and sympathetic to a degree.
Of course, as it moves into its end game, the film becomes more conventional, and Koba (and Oldman) unfortunately become the obvious, nasty villains. That was disappointing, but overall there’s enough here to chew on I think.

And, after so many overblown blockbusters where the entire earth is under threat, I found the narrow focus of Dawn refreshing. It’s like an old base-under-siege western.
Loved the rotating tank turret sequence, though the highlight was the scene where Koba clowns and acts dumb to fool the guards; both funny and tense as hell.

Good film.


Well, I still love ya lots, FRANK. Gamble-be-damble.

Matt Gamble

Kiss arse.

Rick Vance

I would put Michael Bay’s Transformers as another series which has gotten progressively better rather than worse as time has gone on.

Having just seen 4 I can easily say that is the best of the bunch and currently easily the best blockbuster I have seen this year.


Finally saw DOTPOTA.

It seemed to be yet another variation on the Last Of The Mohicans / Moby Dick ‘the desire for vengeance will destroy you’ theme, with Koba portraying the Magua type role this time.

I thought this lack of originality was a little disappointing, especially as I thought the first half was too drawn out and the teensiest bit boring, to the point where I was wondering which of the female apes Judy Greer was playing.

Still a decent movie overall, though for me it wasn’t a patch on ROTPOTA.

I’m looking forward to the future sequel where the two astronauts return.

Rachel Lin

where is the new episode??

Andrew James

It’s coming! We were on hiatus while I was finishing up finals and Kurt went to Fantasia. Also no one from this site seems to want to bother with BOYHOOD (i.e. one of the best films of the decade) for some baffling reason.

We’ll be back with Guardians of the Galaxy some time next week.

(I also saw the Zach Braff film and Lucy and Polanski and Most Wanted Man – RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman).


I really enjoyed DAWN, almost as much as RISE.

I don’t think the foreign box office is gonna be impacted at all by the sign language/subtitle thing. We have subtitles all the time anyway so it’s not as if it’s any different.. I’m sure they just translated whatever the American subtitles were amyway.


Speaking of WTF (which is great), Kurt, another good podcast with a similar format is the Brett Easton Ellis podcast. Yeah, it is surprising, since Ellis comes across as an @#$#4 in his work and Twitter. However, he is a good interviewer, and like Maron, is more interested in macro or more personal life issues than the current product that guest is promoting. It is also pretty funny in that, in his many analytical monologues of pop culture, he comes across as Patrick Batemen in American Psycho.