Cinecast Episode 329 – Snake Plissken with a Vagina

So as 2013 continues to be kind of a shitty year for film (relatively speaking), November is probably the pinnacle of shittiness. So instead of forcing a theatrical viewing of Hunger Games or Thor, we’re waiting for the good stuff next month: Payne, Coens, etc. But the show must go on. So we bring back the much beloved Top 5 list and Andrew spent the last two weeks really kicking Netflix’ ass. Kurt eats up some comfort cinema and has a double helping of Jeremy Irons. Lots of banter in between takes and there’s even a clear-up session of MPAA ratings comparison after the closing bumper music. Kind of a good ol’ fashioned “shoot the shit” show. Rot’s gonna be pissed throughout. The rest of you, enjoy!

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


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Full show notes are under the seats…

 


 

~ IN-HOUSE BUSINESS ~

Kurt’s Nebraska review | Bruce Dern screenshot quiz
– Kurt on the upcoming Episode #100 of The Matineecast
– Andrew’s on Rdio
Indie Spirit Awards

OPENING QUOTE:
Matt Damon
in
The Informant!

CLOSING BUMPER MUSIC:
“I Will Always Love You”
by
Whitney Houston

 


 

~ TOP 5 MOVIES WE LOVE EVERYONE ELSE HATES~

KURT

  1. Crash
  2. My Blueberry Nights
  3. Doomsday
  4. Listen
  5. Listen

HM: Southland Tales, Solaris, Dune, Alien 3, Zardoz

 

ANDREW

  1. Blindness
  2. I Heart Huckabees
  3. Domino | Watchmen
  4. Listen
  5. Listen

HM: Alien: Resurrection, Vanilla Sky, I’m Still Here, Pitch Perfect, Mission to Mars, The Happening, Blindness, Wanted

 


 

~ LISTENER INTERACTION ~

Coffee Table Books

Check out “A Christmas Story Treasury” audio coffee table book – great Christmas gift.

Email: Kurt | Andrew

– This week, Sean Kelly, Nat Almirall, Dick Japowski and Thomas Wishloff chime in with their coffee table books.

Voice Mail: 612-367-ROW3

We’ll call you!:

Nat’s Bedside reading:
Blood Meridian
Penguin edition of John Dryden’s poems
Washington Irving, short stories
Bullfinch’s Mythology
This is Orson Welles
Carter Beats the Devil
Joseph Mitchell: Up in the Old Hotel
My Lunches with Orson
Edith Hamilton Mythology
Longinus on the Sublime
Corporate and Government Deviance
Michael Crichton Travels
On Stranger Rides
Shakespeare: The Invention of the Human
Elaine Pagels: The Gnostic Gospels
Murray Rothbard: America’s Great Depression

 


 

~ THE WATCH LIST ~

ANDREW

Big Business
The Heat
This is the End
Witness for the Prosecution
Safety Not Guaranteed
The Purge
Frances Ha

 

KURT
Dead Ringers
The Informant!

 


 

~ OTHER STUFF MENTIONED ~

 


 

~ NEXT WEEK’S POTENTIAL REVIEW(S) ~


– Nebraska
– Oldboy

 


 

~ COMMENTS or QUESTIONS? ~

feedback@rowthree.com (general)
andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

 

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Jandy Hardesty
Guest

Andrew, did you never go through a quarterlife crisis in your twenties? Because that’s basically what Frances Ha is about – I went through it at 23 instead of 26 (which is what Frances is, not 30). I didn’t have any real problems – I had a college degree, I had a job, I had my own apartment, I had a good relationship with my parents, and I had friends. But I felt so unfulfilled and lost for about a year, feeling like my college degree didn’t connect at all with the jobs I was able to get, and neither connected with what I really wanted to do with my life – even if I knew what that was, which I didn’t. I didn’t have a boyfriend and felt like I’d never have one, while my friends were getting married, having kids, and starting on the careers they wanted. Looking back, it seems pretty silly, sure – now I’m 32, have a wonderful husband and daughter and a great job doing something I enjoy and am good at. But at 23 I felt like I’d already dead-ended, and that the best and most interesting years (college) were over and it was terrifying. Did I have real problems? No. And I knew that at the time, but it didn’t make what I felt seem any less real. If you’ve never been through that, yeah, I can see how you wouldn’t relate to Frances Ha. To me, it was like seeing myself again, and I just wanted to hug her and tell her that I’d been there and it doesn’t last forever.
I’m not challenging your opinion of the movie – you’re obviously entitled to that and you know you’re outnumbered – just trying to understand some of the psychology behind how I reacted to the film vs. how you did.

DavidMerryweather
Guest

I had to laugh at Andrew’s ‘Garden State was hipster before hiper was cool’ defence.
I like Doomsday and Miami Vice, though.

Nat Almirall
Guest

I should have mentioned (and edited my e-mail, apparently) that there’s nothing on my coffee table, so I opted for the bedside table. Also, Joe Gould’s Secret was made into a movie starring Stanlry Tucci as Mitchell and Ia Holm as Joe Gould, directed by Tucci, as, I believe, his follow-up to Big Night.

Mike_Rot
Guest

Diggstown!   Completely forgot that movie existed, LOVED it when I was younger, need to revisit.  I associate Bruce Dern with The King of Marvin Gardens the most.

ThomasWishloff
Guest

I’m surprised the both of you didn’t have more honourable mentions for your top five, since both you have never been shy when It comes to proudly supporting films that nobody else likes.
Great Episode As Usual.

Mike_Rot
Guest

Movies I Love that Misguided People Hate:
Snow White & the Huntsman
The Crucible (just watched, feel like this was maligned but damn it is great)
Greenberg (audience RT 42% – MADNESS)
On the Road (apparently I have a thing for Kristen Stewart)
The Thing (2011 remake)
Honorable mention: The Mist (I don’t love it but I have probably watched it five times now, so for something that is pretty loathed by people, that is a lot of mileage of enjoyment for me – the black/white version is the best)

KurtHalfyard
Guest

Mike_Rot I thought THE MIST was kind of universally liked.   (And The Crucible is a fine film, it’s the Demi Moore SCARLET LETTER that came out about the same time that is loathed, and with good reason…)

Sean Kelly
Guest

KurtHalfyard Mike_Rot Yeah The Mist is 73% on Rotten Tomatoes. I wouldn’t call that a film that is not liked (I love the film).

Fullantho
Guest

Jandy Hardesty Yeah, I am with Jandy. I am 24, and as of right now, I having one of those existential, twenty something moments.

Fullantho
Guest

I will add Skyline, Buffalo Soldiers, Blade II, and Batman Returns to the list. Also, I am surprise none of you had Death Proof in your list — a film that I dislike, but do want to revisit.

KurtHalfyard
Guest

Sean Kelly KurtHalfyard Mike_Rot I like it a lot too, particularly, Marcia Gay Harden’s nutty performance.

KurtHalfyard
Guest

Fullantho BLADE II is astounding, particularly the first 15 minutes, it’s a great action sequence, really great.  

DEATH PROOF and OCEANS 12 are almost TOO obvious for me, I’ve been defending those films HARD for years and years now.

Mike_Rot
Guest

KurtHalfyard
I guess just my experience showing The Mist to other people, I often feel alone in my liking of it.  
And Scarlet Letter, that’s right, that’s why I never watched the Crucible until seeing it pop up on Netflix, because I subconsciously associated it with that pile.  Daniel Day-Lewis gives a rare solid performance as John Proctor, that guy knows how to bellow to the heavens, I tell ya.

Mike_Rot
Guest

re: Homework: Clearly neither of you have seen Henri Clouzot’s Diabolique.  It ends with that same plea to the audience to not give away the ending.

Ultimo Lee
Guest

Opening
Top 5 Movies We Love But Everyone Else Hates 15.47
Homework Emails 50.42
Watchlist: 1:02:42
Next week: 2:09:01
Outro music: 2:15:08

themarina
Guest

Fullantho SKYLINE! WIN.

ajames1
Guest

Sean Kelly KurtHalfyard Mike_Rot Count me in as a The Mist lover.

ajames1
Guest

Mike_Rot I think most people just instinctually dislike films in which the main character is loathsome or annoying – and not in a funny way.

I’m looking forward to checking out On the Road.  Probably sometime next week.

ajames1
Guest

ThomasWishloff Thanks Thomas.  I have a ton of guilty pleasure that I like and CAN defend.  But I also understand why most people don’t like them.  The ones on my list really baffle me that they aren’t universally loved.

ajames1
Guest

Jandy Hardesty I actually don’t remember going through anything like that.  I was a bartender for 6 years after college and had a fucking blast doing it.  No rush to find a real job for me.  I did finally land a “real” job that I really liked and have been doing that ever since. Until I lost it and school started a few months ago.
But I think that even if I could relate to her in some way, I still wouldn’t like the movie.  I kind of feel the way I do about her in the same way Kurt Halfyard feels about prom movies.  It’s so inconsequential and the problems are so minute and trivial, and that whether she knows it or not, it’ll get better eventually.  She’s going to be fine, so therefore I just really can’t get very worked up about it.
And again, these “amazing performances” that people keep talking about are totally lost on me.  I think a lot of it is exactly what I said – it’s “Clerks” acting – and I hate it.
Plus making it in black and white just makes it feel even more pretentious.

ajames1
Guest

Jandy Hardesty Really curious what Matt Gamble (WTLTE ) thinks about this movie.

ajames1
Guest

Fullantho I thought people really like  Blade II do they not?  I thought I was the only one who thinks that movie is absolute pants.

ajames1
Guest

Jandy Hardesty Great quote from a fellow http://letterboxd.com/thomasmccallum/film/frances-ha/:
“Don’t get me wrong, Gerwig was passable as the lost and confused “trying to find her way” 27 year old who seemingly makes the turnaround just in time for the movie to end. It’s everyone else on screen that came off like they were reading their lines off a cue card. Excuse the snark but they just seemed more involved with making sure that their horn rimmed glasses looking good in the lighting.”

dave_or_did
Guest

ajames1 Fullantho Yeah people loved Blade II when it came out.  I’m with Andrew though in thinking it’s massively overrated.  I’ve not seen it since its theatrical release though.

Rick Vance
Guest

Can’t hit 5 but off the top of my head they would be, The Matrix Reloaded, The Matrix Revolutions and Transformers 3.

tederick
Guest

You guys have the best episode titles.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I thought I would expand a bit on the stinger about film ratings in Canada.
For starters, Canada does NOT have a standardized national ratings board like the MPAA. All films are rated independently in each province, so there’s a real chance that the film may have a different rating in one part of the country than the other.
From 1986 to 2003 (i.e. most of my life), the film rating in Ontario were the following:Family – Film appropriate for viewing by a person of any age.Parental Guidance – Parents should exercise discretion in permitting a child to view the film.Adult Accompaniment – Film restricted to persons 14 years of age or older or to persons younger than 14 years of age who are accompanied by an adult.Restricted – Film restricted to persons 18 years of age or older.
1995 saw the introduction of the Canadian Home Video Rating system, which put a sticker on home video releases and were usually based on the average rating of all the provinces.  Those ratings are:General – Suitable for viewers of all ages.Parental Guidance – Parental guidance is advised. Theme or content may not be suitable for all children.14A – Suitable for viewing by persons 14 years of age and older. Persons under 14 must be accompanied by an adult. May contain: violence, coarse language and/or sexually suggestive scenes.18A – Suitable for viewing by persons 18 years of age and older. Persons under 18 may attend but must be accompanied by an adult. May contain: explicit violence, frequent coarse language, sexual activity and/or horror.Restricted – Admittance restricted to persons 18 years of age and over. Content not suitable for minors. May contain: frequent use of sexual activity, brutal/graphic violence, intense horror and/or other disturbing content.
Since the introduction of the Canadian Home Video Rating system, the provincial systems were updated to use the same ratings.  Alberta and British Columbia switched to these ratings in 1997, Manitoba and Ontario switched in 2003, and the Maritime provinces switched in 2005.
The only province remaining that has a different rating system is Quebec, which uses the following ratings:Visa général (General Rating): May be viewed, rented or purchased by persons of all ages. 13 ans et plus (13 years and over): May be viewed, rented or purchased by children 13 years of age or over. Children under 13 may be admitted only if accompanied by an adult. 16 ans et plus (16 years and over): May be viewed, rented or purchased by children 16 years of age or over. 18 ans et plus (18 years and over): May be viewed, rented or purchased by adults 18 years of age or over.
The addition of the previously non-existent 18A rating has resulted in some inconsistencies with older films, which received an R rating and were never re-rated to get the lower rating (i.e. RoboCop would probably get an 18A rating if it was re-rated today).

Schizopolis
Guest

I’m totally down with Miami Vice.  I didn’t love it when I saw it in the theater.  The digital cinematography was hit and miss.  But upon re-watch, I really dig both the theatrical cut and the director’s cut.  From what I can recall, there is definitely a different music cue in the director’s cut towards the end of the final shootout, which I think is an improvement from the theatrical cut.

themarina
Guest

Schizopolis Completely agree. I downright hated it when I saw it theatrically but I’ve really come to love that movie.

KurtHalfyard
Guest

themarina Schizopolis I hope the Cinecast and its several spirited defense rants for MIAMI VICE played some small part in things.

themarina
Guest

Other movies I love that aren’t generally well liked (there’s a lot of them actually but here’s a short sampling):
Reign of Fire
Hot Rod
Skyline (already mentioned but man I love this movie)
Twilight
Hulk (I know there’s love for it here but if I remember right it wasn’t particularly well liked)
Ghost Rider

KurtHalfyard
Guest

themarina I’m a big fan of HULK, it’s tied with WATCHMEN for my favourite superhero movie.  (And am somewhat of a fan, mainly the Matthew McConaughey performance, of REIGN OF FIRE.

Schizopolis
Guest

KurtHalfyard themarina Schizopolis I’m a huge Michael Mann fan and I’ve been an apologist for some of this work.  But when this movie came out in 2006, it suffered from summer hype, the cheesy reputation of  tv series and Bad Boys-esque expectations.  But on its own, Miami Vice is a pure Michael Mann film.

Schizopolis
Guest

I really liked The Lone Ranger too.  It had soo much personality for a big summer action movie.  
But Man of Steel is easily my #1 underrated movie.  It has problems, but once I got rid of my super hero movie mindset and expectations of a Superman movie, I totally loved it the second time.  I can now defend it enough from a film criticism standpoint.  Even though my multiple re-watches of Man of Steel at this point is just embarrassing.

themarina
Guest

Schizopolis You and me both man. You and me both. It’s the only movie I saw theatrically more than once this year. And I’m not ashamed to admit it.

Loh
Guest

Watchmen is just an awful film dude. It’s made by Zack Snyder, the man with the giant hubris. You gotta understand its a shallow movie.  The similarities it has with the book are only at a superficial level.  I bet you 25 cents that it wasn’t enough for Snyder to adapt the book, he had to do his own spin on it, after he read the book for the first time and “got” it. 
It’s not that the movie isn’t as complicated as the book.  It’s that the subject matter is so over the head of the creators that the actors and director have no idea what they’re doing. Rorscach is an angry retard, and overacted one at that.  Jeffrey Dean Morgan as the Comedian has no idea what the movie is about or what his character is supposed to be doing.  Silk Spectre II actions in the movie make no sense because they cut critical dialogue in place of a cute opener and indulgent sex scene. He totally butchered the characters and story, which is fine.  I mean Rorschach is just so bad.
The movie as an adaptation is an abomination, and it’s okay to like abominations but I would not argue that it’s not an shitty movie.  There might be something going on with the movie as you say Kurt, but it has nothing to do with Watchmen.  It is not accidentally or intentionally in the spirit of Watchmen at all.
Talk with Matt Gamble about it. I, for one, would enjoy an hour long conversation about Watchmen where you defend the movie while Matt Gamble calls you an idiot. 
Personally, to me, the movie just totally rapes the book.  It’s a cash in of the name recognition and a reminder of a fact that we wont get a proper Watchmen movie ever.
Oddly enough I’ve ran into more people that liked the movie than have hated the movie, which is weird considering the movie is terrible.  Most people on reddit seem to love the movie.
Sorry for the diatribe. It does rape the book though. And Andrew doesn’t like it probably because it’s a terrible movie.

ajames1
Guest

Rick Vance I’m with you on Transformers 3 – though I still consider that to be guilty pleasure. But it’s leaps and bounds better than the first two.

ajames1
Guest

themarina Fullantho Skyline isn’t great, but its WAY better than what is deserved from critics and fans.  They absolutely shit on it and I didn’t think it was that bad. It has some legitimately creative and entertaining moments.

Matt Gamble
Guest

I lurv Frances Ha and don’t find it pretentious in the slightest.

Matt Gamble
Guest

I will engage Halfyard for an hour about Watchmen if he gives me an hour to discuss Sucker Punch.

Loh
Guest

Matt Gamble I know that after an 20 minutes Andrew will be bored out of his mind but I cannot get enough of discussions on how bad Zack Snyder raped Watchmen (and how he sucks at acting directing.) It’s hardly discussed.  Every video review of Watchmen goes like this: A) Superfluous two minute summary of the book B) the movie was GLORIOUS C) Rorschach is my favorite character and he was marvelously acted. D) at most only minor criticisms. 
Kermode is like the only one who didn’t like it.
One thing I noticed is that they remove any mention of Silk Spectre II hating the Comedian.  So when she has a mental breakdown on Mars it’s…. for no reason. 
The entire project is tainted with ego and hubris. All the tension and humor of the book is sucked out. I should probably check out the directors cut since I saw it (and read the comic) such a long time ago.  But what it really is, is a celebration of Zack Snyder’s “coolness” and not a celebration of the comic.

It’s a shame since they got good actors, but got the most shallow director.  ‘
It would be cool to have Alan Moore watch and analyze it like he did with V for Vendetta, but I bet it would make him cry.  The movie violates the material harder than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

ajames1
Guest

Loh Matt Gamble Find the original WATCHMEN Cinecast Episode.  It’s rambly as hell.  I played video games whilst Matt and Kurt hashed it out.
No idea which episode number it is though.

Loh
Guest

ajames1 I already watched it.  You come half an hour in and go “Omg are you guys still talking about Watchmen?” or something along those lines.
Since when does Kurt like the movie? In that episode he’s on the fence about it. I guess his love of blue penis grew over the years.

KurtHalfyard
Guest

ajames1 Loh Matt Gamble I also consider the Watchmen Cinecast to be one of our weakest sauce episodes…we are indeed far more unfocused than usual, and barely coherent.

ajames1
Guest

KurtHalfyard ajames1 Loh Matt Gamble Just like the movie! 😉

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Sean Kelly
Guest

I rewatched Frances Ha last night (still a wonderful film) and I didn’t mind so much that Andrew wasn’t crazy for it, but it bothers me that it’s likely because he somewhat misinterpreted the plot.

This film is less about “well to do hipsters” (I don’t think they are partially all that rich) and more about realizing that sometimes you are going to have to make compromises to make it through life.  A lot of characters in the film are sticking to their delusional dreams, such as Frances at the dance studio or the wannabe screenwriter (he doesn’t actually write for Saturday Night Live).

As someone only a year older than Greta Gerwig, I related greatly to the struggles of her character in the film, especially the joy you get when you find a tax rebate cheque in the mail and have a little extra money to spend.  She makes a lot of spontaneous (and stupid) decisions in the film, which she later learns to regret.  This is a much more deeper film than Andrew was making it out to be.

I also have a feeling that the film’s many allusions to French New Wave might have seemed a little too “hipster” for Andrew.  Then of course, there is the almost blatant reference to Leos Carax’s film Mauvais sang (running through the streets to David Bowie’s “Modern Love”). That scene is actually a major factor in my love for the film.

Sean Kelly
Guest

BTW, here a comparison of the two “Modern Love” scenes:
http://youtu.be/zMHXugVlzSw
http://youtu.be/DKRE4J8Iq60

Mike_Rot
Guest

Sean Kelly

Well Frances Ha is broke, she is living off her credit card essentially, working temp work, they make a point that she cannot live in the well-to-do hipster world of some of the other characters who exist in contrast to her.  I think the hipster stuff (like writing for SNL) is not to be taken at face value, the film is poking fun at it, acknowledging this world and how Frances Ha who is at heart a decent real human being fumbles her way through it.

I am not a French New Wave expert but I’m guessing the moment Frances Ha lingers in the boys apartment, and they all walk forward in unison, her in the middle, that is a reference to Band of Outsiders?  Feel like the beginning of that dance sequence with Anna Karina.  And then the joke is they immediately stop and Frances is asked to leave, the fantasy crushed by the reality.

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