Cinecast Episode 322 – Weaving a Cinematic Spell

If you’re going to miss a month in the world of movie discussion, I guess late August slash early September is the month to miss. Festivals, sickness, vacation, school, drunkenness. It all plays a part in our absence – but we’ve returned; refreshed and ready for bullshitting. There’s even a homework assignment in here (sort of). Rising from the dead brings about a casket full of watch list items – some of which we’re even saving until next week. But Kurt has a TIFF report; loaded with things to watch for in a Cineplex near you over the next six months. But even with the hiatus we managed to see a current theatrical release at the same time and have somewhat of a debate over PRISONERS (spoilers!). While we disagree somewhat, the ultimate reaction is still a general recommendation. If you’re a fan of the 80’s comedies or the epic franchise, sit down next to Uncle Cinecast for a pre-drunken and post-drunken riff on everything cinema current.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below. Welcome back and THANKS(!) for listening!


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Full show notes are under the seats…

 


 

~ IN-HOUSE BUSINESS ~

– Movie Club Posted
– Andrew on the Big Kahuna Burger podcast (films of 1994)
– Donations THANK YOU!

OPENING QUOTE:
Bruce Dern
in
The ‘burbs

CLOSING BUMPER MUSIC:
“Perfect Day”
by
Lou Reed

 


 

~ REVIEW ~

Prisoners

 


 

~ TIFF RECAP ~

Titles Mentioned:
Under the Skin
Only Lovers Left Alive
MANAKAMANA
The Known Unknown
12 Years a Slave
Gravity
Mystery Road
Night Moves
The Double
R100
Why Don’t You Play in Hell
Jodorowsky’s Dune
Blood Ties

RowThree TIFF Summary

 


 

~ THE WATCH LIST ~

Andrew (theatrical)
The Grandmaster
In a World…
You’re Next
Riddick
The World’s End

Andrew (at home)
V/H/S
Disorganized Crime
Very Bad Things

Kurt
“Up” Series

 


 

~ NEXT WEEK’S REVIEW(S) ~


– Don Jon
– Rush
– We Are What We Are (VOD only)
– Enough Said
– Thanks for Sharing
– Short Term 12
– Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2
– Drinking Buddies
– Watermark

 


 

~ COMMENTS or QUESTIONS? ~

feedback@rowthree.com (general)
andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

 

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Loh
Guest

Took you guys long enough.

Did you guys ever review the Thing remake? I can’t find an episode with it.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I do not believe either of us ever bothered with THE THING remake (which is kind of strange considering I have a ‘thing’ for Mary Elizabeth Winstead.)

rot
Guest

The Thing remake is great. One of the few horror remakes/prequels of late that holds up with the original.

Matt Gamble
Guest

I talked about it on some episode. It isn’t all that good.

Loh
Guest

What podcast is that?

I find your analysis typically rains true.

Andrew James
Admin

I can’t find which one it is either.

Matt Gamble
Guest

My guess is it was probably a week or two before it was released since I know I saw it early. It’s not a bad film, it just is too much of a facsimile of the Carpenter version. It’s also a bit of a slave to that version as well. It had potential to be pretty interesting, but just ended up taking far too conservative a take on the story for my tastes.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Technically the film is NOT a remake, but a prequel that shows the events that happened at the Norwegian based visited in John Carpenter’s film. Of course, in doing so the film followed the exact same beats, so I like called the film a “requel” (remake/prequel).

A bit of a sad story involving that film is that they designed a bunch of practical special effects, but I believe most of them were scrapped in favour of CGI (which did not at all look good on screen).

Jape Man
Guest

Clive Owen is doing a tv show called “The Knick” next year. All 10 season one episodes are being directed by Steven Soderbergh who I know is your guy, Andrew.

So Kurt probably got his wish….

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

THIS IS AWESOME.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

By the way, has anyone watched LUTHER? Idris Elba kind of has the same casting/quality ratio as Clive Owen (and also has been put through the ‘Bond’-wish list recently) but that ongoing UK series, I’ve been told, is a good showcase of his talent (as was HBO’s THE WIRE).

Jape Man
Guest

Also, is We Are what We Are really going to be on demand?

DavidM
Guest

The ONLY way to watch Up is to grow up watching them every seven years. I’m being flip, but the first series I saw was the one broadcast in 1977 when I was a child, and each time a new series came out it was fascinating, and increasingly affecting, to compare and contrast where your own life’s path had led you in the interim, with those of the participants.

From what I remember about the disappointing World’s End was that the most of the characters were underwritten and the comedy underheated. In terms of belly-laughs alone, Alpha Papa ran it off the road.

Rush wasn’t bad. Daniel Brühl’s performance is what makes it.

Andrew James
Admin

Rush was pretty bad. Brühl and Hemsworth are great but everything else is trite and Instagram (which I’ve always hated) has now insinuated itself into my theater. We’ll talk more on the Cinecast I’m sure.

Kurt Halfyard
Guest

It looks like Inside Llewlyn Davis is also ‘Instagram’ in its filter.

David Brook
Admin

Thank you. The British press seemed to love Rush, but I thought it was pretty crap too.

As for the look of Llewlyn Davis, I thought it looked gorgeous.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

The journo comment (and aftermath) seemed so far fetched that I figured it had to be true to bother to use it in the film.

rot
Guest

Under the Skin is King of Limbs NOT In Rainbows. In Rainbows is the most melodic, accessible Radiohead they have done since The Bends.

Kurt
Guest

Dang. I concede to your correctness on this.

ultimolee
Guest

Great to see the show back guys. It’s been five weeks of finding shows to fill my podcast hours. I’ve listened to some shit 🙁

Time Tracks

Pre-show Chit-Chat
Prisoners (SPOILERS!) 9:04
Kurt Does TIFF 48:54
Watchlist 1:17:54
Homework (sort of) 2:18:48
The Rap up 2:37:36
Outro 2:45:40

Being born in 1980 and growing up on eighties fodder i’m surprised this is the first i’ve ever heard of Disorganized Crime. I’m guessing it just wasn’t that big over here in Britain. I recently added some other 80’s films that didn’t travel like Better Off Dead…, Strange Brew, One Crazy Summer, Three O’Clock High and Miracle Mile to my ever expanding “to watch” list.

Like Andrew i’m also a bit hit and miss on Wong Kar-wai. I’ve seen everything he’s done except Blueberry Nights and Grandmaster but i’d definitely recommend watching Days of Being Wild.

Kurt
Guest

Miracle Mile is insanely good. I’m trying to get my hands on a 35mm print (I know someone who owns one) and get The Bloor or LIGHTBOX to screen it at some point.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Of the two V/H/S films, the overall best segment is SAFE HAVEN from V/H/S/2, which is co-directed by Gareth Evans (The Raid) and Timo Tjahjanto. That one put the first film’s haunted house segment to shame.

I don’t necessarily recommend watching the entirety of V/H/S/2, but I do recommend watching that segment.

KeithTalent
Guest

I think I sat next to Kurt at The Double. He was with some dude who laughed really, really loudly and scribbled in a notebook throughout the film. Not a great movie, but it was the most fun Q&A I saw at TIFF, followed closely by Jarmusch’s.

Kurt would you mind commenting on the Q&A for MIss Violence? I saw it last night and in your TIFF tweet you mentioned the audience was really rough on the director; do you recall what they were on about? Would be very interested to here. Thanks.

Kurt
Guest

I was with a lot of folks at the screening of THE DOUBLE, but the loud ‘laugher’ might actually have been Sean Kelly.

The Miss Violence Q&A had the audience members disappointed that there wasn’t more blood and violence at the end of the film, and this isn’t twentysomething Midnight Madness crowd, this is mid-fifties, well-heel’d Toronto folk. Then people kept passive-aggressively asking the director why he would make such a film, what purpose it served and kept asking questions about how hard the young kids were slapped in the film. It went in circles for a while, but the tone was one of the harshest Q&As since I’ve been at the festival.

KeithTalent
Guest

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for that. I did not have those issues with the ending, I thought it was done quite well. I can see some questions around the slapping, but it sounds like the crowd went a bit overboard with the questioning. I’ve never seen a Q&A like that.

Sean Kelly
Guest

Laughed really loudly and scribbled into notebook? Sounds like me alright. 😛

KeithTalent
Guest

Haha, glad you seemed to enjoy the movie more than I did! 🙂

Rick Vance
Guest

If I could find free time I would love to rap about Fast and Furious films for hours with you Andrew RIDE OR DIE!

Also I found it funny after declaring you should bring back homework you proceeded to ask like 3 or 4 during the watch list without actually asking them.

I really hope the Director’s Cut of The Grandmaster becomes a Kingdom of Heaven like situation because some of the transitions in that theatrical cut are incredibly messy.

Goon
Guest

Andrew’s undying faith in GPlus is very cute.

Anyways, I also love Cloudy, and this pooh poohing of the importance of story and characters in the first film is really off base now that the second one is out and such a far cry from the original.

The first one has an arc and a payoff not only for every main character, but every side character and even third string characters, inventions, background animals, running gags with the bearded guy in every other scene.

The new Cloudy arguably has no character arc for ANYONE to the extent it feels like a video game. All the side characters are so useless to the extent that they are unwelcome.

and yet I still sort of liked it overall. The energy is still there, it looks gorgeous. But you need that core there, even if its just some variant of the usual kids movie stuff.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I post links to my blog posts to G+, but other than that I’ve all but stopped using it (I was really turned off my the recent 3 column redesign, which is a big mess)

Goon
Guest

They’ve had a user number grow because of Android phones mostly, but the active user count has still been pretty poor. Whats funny is on my Android phone, if you click on the G+ icon, the only way they let you exit the app is to either complete registration or to power your phone off.

What does that tell you 😛

Goon
Guest

note, right after this i went to youtube and it asked what name i wanted to be, had to pick one. picked one and then immediately i get an email saying “Welcome to Google Plus!” because they tied it in.

G+ is juicing their numbers.

Andrew James
Admin

Not really interested in their numbers. But your complaints are exactly what I love about it – besides the fact that it’s cleaner, more user friendly, better photo albums with more and better editing tools. I LIKE the fact that it’s tied to my phone, YouTube and gmail. That’s what great about Google. Everything is there and it’s all connected. If it was all shit of course it would suck to have everything connected. But since it’s all pretty great, I have no complaints.

That said, I do see it sort of becoming a bit like Pinterest which is bugging me a little. On my feed right now is just a bunch of Android home screens, video game memes and links to tech articles. Stuff I’m interested in sure, but not much substance. Of course my Facebook feed is basically full of mostly lame quips and pictures of people’s kids and what movie they saw yesterday. In other words, I’m still mostly a fan of Twitter. Though there’s so much content there it’s impossible to see much more than 5% of it if I’m lucky. Fuck social media. I’ll stick with my RSS feeds.

/rambling thoughts

Goon
Guest

Bellflower is the worst for this. And the worst in general, really.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I suppose you are right for that. I liked that film though, maybe it was just the first out of the gate…

Andrew James
Admin

I suppose my biggest problem with the Instagram effect in RUSH is that we know it’s Ron Howard, therefore it just feels like old guy trying to be hip or creative – at the very least trying to do something different visually, and it just comes off as lazy.

Bellflower is an indie hipster movie so it makes sense and the color palette wasn’t as distracting there.

Kurt
Guest

Ron Howard tends to simply just borrow the filmmaking aesthetic of whatever is current. Sometime’s he is behind the curve, sometimes a bit ahead, but never, seemingly original…just middlebrow.

Kurt Halfyard
Guest

I quite liked RUSH. I didn’t mind the colour palette at all and the racing scenes (minus the TV commentary) were fabbo.

Daniel Bruhl for the win. That guy is always great, and Niki Lauda is quite the compelling/meaty/complex character. Quite simply, Bruhl quietly stole the film.

(The only really major “Uggh Moment” is the final scene in the airplane hangar. Incessant ‘explain your movie to the dumbos in the back of the auditorium’ is always a bad idea. Still it a livable but of dumb-downedness, overcome by racing sequences and character work…)

God help me, I liked this Ron Howard film almost as much as Apollo13.

David Brook
Admin

*Spoilers* The film never showed any respect to its audience for me. The race commentary in particular kept over-explaining the situation and the scene where a journalist throws that ridiculous comment at Lauda after the accident made me laugh out loud because it was so preposterous. Yes British journalists are scum, but they wouldn’t put things quite like that at a press conference.

A potentially great scene, the ‘lung vacuum’ sequence, although suitably difficult to watch, was ruined by the ridiculous fact that he was watching the Grand Prix on TV during the procedure. Do we really need it to be that hammered home that Hunt’s success was spurring him on to survive?

DavidM
Guest

It was hand-holdy to a fault, and quite a bit cheesy on top, but it was perfectly watchable, if inessential fluff. Like most, I did enjoy Brühl’s the central performance, and the intensely focused Niki Lauda made for an intriguing main character, especially for flashy, mainstream fare such as this.
The last couple of rain-lashed races were well filmed and fairly gripping as well, I thought.

David Brook
Admin

It was perfectly watchable yes, I think I was just quite disappointed because the reviews (over in the UK at least) were uniformly very positive.

Andrew James
Admin

Bruhl and Hemsworth are terrific. Too bad all their dialogue is ham fistededly simple and their character building is almost non-existent. We know what they are right from the get-go and then nothing. Zero character-arc. They actually explain the lack of arc in the hangar scene and then AGAIN two minutes later with the narration. There is just NOTHING of substance in this movie really.

The races are pretty great… when they happen. The first race isn’t for over an hour into the film and most of them are just quick one minute glimpses into the race.

In other words, gimmie my DAYS OF THUNDER!

Goon
Guest

I enjoyed Rush quite a bit but more than most biopics the supension of belief requirement in so many talking scenes is so high. They scream at you “This obviously never happened as we are depicting it”.

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