Mamo #323: Don’t Ever Do That Again

The summer of 2013 comes to a close! We declare the winner in the summer box office contest and recap what went right, and what went wrong.

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Courtney Small
Guest

I still regret not trusting my gut in regards to picking Adam Sandler (Grown Ups 2) over Will Smith (After Earth). When I pick Smith he burns me, and when I don’t pick him he burns me. Frustrating. It also seems like this year it actually paid to put most of your eggs in the May basket (Fast 6, Gatsby, Now You See Me, and Iron Man 3). This is probably an anomaly though but surprising nonetheless.

Congrats to Michael M for taking the title this year!

Michael M
Guest

Thank you. I don’t think I deserved it, obviously. It feels so random. Grown Ups 2 was the biggest surprise I had. I don’t even hate Sandler (like most people here) but I thought there was no way audience would go for this film.

Tum Tum Tyranus
Guest

Nope, looking at your list and 8 out of your 10 are solid picks. You earned that win. Congrats.

Robert Reineke
Guest

I regret listening to Matt Gamble talk about the “tracking” of Star Trek into Darkness.

That and thinking marketing would be enough on Hangover 3 and The Lone Ranger.

rot
Guest

Goon posted elsewhere by mistake I think, but bears repeating to get a little reality mixed in with the skew of Mamo

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

Even by top critics filter looking at 79% fresh.

Goon
Guest

Mobile error. I was in the right thread on the app but when I clicked ‘view full post’ it took me to the wrong one somehow and I posted on that. Weird.

ANYWAYS
Matt B. just said Pacific Rim was the most criticially acclaimed (edit:, just double checked and the phrase, at 10:10 is “best reviewed”) blockbuster of the summer and was sad that it was only 17th. But on RT Pacific Rim is at 72% and STID is 87%. When you look at the ‘fan rating’ on RT its 91% for STID, and Pacific Rim is at 81%.

On Metacritic STID is in the 70s and Pacfiic Rim is in the 60s. ON IMDB Pacific Rim does much better at a 7.6 to STID’s 8.0. The first Abrams Trek is also at 8.0. I take into consideration though that IMDB habituatlly has inflated numbers towards new releases that gradually drop when it hits home video.

Beyond being the annoying fact checker, my point is that by every measure other than the poll amongst Trekkies, STID was not only a critical success, but among the highest successes of the summer. I believe Iron Man 3, Despicable Me 2 and This is the End also performed better among critics, at least among certain measures, than Pac Rim. I don’t think it’s Quantum of Solace beyond a certain segment of the audience. I don’t believe the numbers of the core Trekkie fanbase are large enough or loud enough anymore to define the film as a success or failure. And I think like it or not the intention has been to build a ‘new Trekkie’ coalition of regular joes who’ve never watched the other series combined with people like me who have seen a lot of Trek but generally… don’t care… if it betrays a chunk of its core tenets in the pursuit of ‘splosions and jokes.

I love Pac Rim, and like STID. They both took hits among critics for their scripts, even among people who liked them overall, and were generally praised for their entertainment value.

I’m not looking to argue STID’s merits in comparison to the larger Trek catalogue. I hear your frustrations and recognize the backlash and the potential for continued backlash growth. But I think that growth may hinge entirely on the success of the new films leading to discovery and preference of older Trek.

SIDEBAR:
I also looked at what the letterboxd concensus out of curiosity, which is very positive, and was surprised to see Matt Brown’s rating for STID there was a 3/5. So I’m just wondering if that is still accurate and you just hate certain things about it A LOT, or if your star ratings are on a curve and 3/5 is actually very bad, or if it gradually made you more upset over time, or something else?

Sean Kelly
Guest

Second last………

rot
Guest

I beat Matthew Price. My work here is done.

Kurt
Guest

By a single point.

rot
Guest

the same single point that kicked your ass! Hey I was dead last the year before, I need to validate my existence a bit here.

Andrew James
Admin

“It don’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning.”

– Dominic Toretto

Tum Tum Tyranus
Guest

Nice.

Michael M
Guest

I always find at least one high grossing movie for multiple viewing in the theatre. Star Trek (4), Toy Story 3 (3), Inception (3). Deathly Hallows II (3), Avengers (5 times), TDKR (3) – and this time NONE. No multiple viewing for top 20 movies.

I was waiting for Mr. Brown to talk about “Newt Scamander and New York”. Did you already mention it somewhere? I couldn’t find it.

Dan Heaton
Guest

Is there a spot where the full standings are for the box-office contest? I don’t think that I did well. My failure was expecting too much from the Lone Ranger in terms of box office, and I thought my estimate was conservative.

I still need to see Star Trek Into Darkness, and I’m trying hard to stay optimistic. It’s tough to stay open minded on it after everything that I’ve heard, but I’ll give it my best shot.

Goon
Guest

Wow. I did even worse than I thought I did.

Dan Heaton
Guest

24? Yikes! Need to do better prep work next year.

Nathan
Guest

Just a word of thanks to the Matts at Mamo, everyone at Row Three, GE Hale for setting up the spreadsheet, and anyone else involved with the summer box office contest. It was a lot of fun to participate in, and look forward to the summer of 2014! Congrats to Michael M. for a pretty epic comeback victory.

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