Mamo #315: Nuance

In which discussion ranges from the TIFF Midnight Madness and Vanguard announcements, to the super-overloaded Hollywood slate for 2015, to 3-D and the lack of proper conversation about it, to (once again) the end of movies as we know it, to whether or not we should just do this show on Vine. Mamo!

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Kurt
Guest

2015 predictions — Ecomamonomics!

Kurt
Guest

The author is Umberto Eco, and I read his books. The Mysterious Flame of Queen Loana, one of his more recent books uses pop culture from the 1940s thru the 1960s to allow the main character to recover from a form of amnesia, and it is quite the page turner…

antho42
Guest

“it is quite the page turner.” If you can understand what the bloody heck he is babbling about, especially with his tendency to have long passages of untranslated Latin.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I like swimming in that particular stream, but I do tend to skip the latin.

Matt Price
Guest

Yes – I got back to it after a minute of checking my phone, I did mention Eco by name. World’s most highly purchased and seldom read author.

rot
Guest

he comes into my library now and then. I do not own any of his books nor have I read him.

Markus Krenn
Guest

I’ve only read ‘Il nome della rosa’ and that was back then when i was 14. Can’t say i’ve appreciated it back then, but i blame my age at the time.
I would say Eco is to Follet, what Seven Samurai is to Magnificent Seven.
Still that doesn’t say much about the class.
About the latin part. You canadian guys should at least figure out 70% of it, if you know english and french.
On another note. Reading translated books is even worse than watching dubbed movies. It’s like reading a complete different book.

Rick Vance
Guest

Digital Comics on smartphones and tablets is a pretty apt comparison to 3D vs. Not I find since it is product released to both at exactly the same time in most cases that will largely be not formatted correctly in one case yet it is used as a convenience for people who either don’t have a local shop or do not want to fill their lives with more paper.

Also very recently we are seeing stories specifically crafted for the landscape view of the tablets and then the companies attempting to reconvert them into comics for the people who will hold onto paper until they die.

I read both kinds for very different reasons but it is good showcase of a medium split between the new thing and the old way of doing it.

Rick Vance
Guest

This has barely anything to do with this weeks show but I felt it was a MAMO style question so I thought I would pose it.

I heard someone make the argument that because film critics are so defanged at moving the needle when it comes to the summer big stuff that it creates a desire to more thoroughly attack films they probably do not deserve the reaction they got (re: Only God Forgives at Canne and beyond). Do you guys think there is any merit to this?

Sean Kelly
Guest

Just because you loved Only God Forgives doesn’t mean someone else (i.e. me) doesn’t have just cause not to like the film.

Goon
Guest

Considering that OGF is maybe the best example in years of not just style over substance, but style instead of substance…

Pick a new example.

I’d tend to believe there can at times be a critical horde beatdown against a certain film that may be some measure of peer pressure or personal issues regarding a critic protecting their credibility by denying they liked something…

but its a two way street, especially amongst nerd culture who habitually and loudy bully a consensus, because Superman’s costume and Terminator continuity matter SO MUCH MORE TO THEM than it does to the majority of critics who are looking past such bullshit and don’t have that kind of baggage.

Rick Vance
Guest

None of that nerd bullshit matters either (movies have proven that over time). You are correct I probably should have found a different example because I surely do not want this to seem like because I loved this movie other people not liking it is wrong.

It was just the scale and the degree of vitriol applied to it was kinda shocking.

Goon
Guest

I think it was a bad example (see below) but I understand now you were maybe just trying to keep it topical? I don’t think the vitriol with critics towards OGF has been significantly more severe than when say, Southland Tales was booed at Cannes. And that film has it’s share of devoted fans, including Mr. Halfyard.

I think the nerd bullshit matters in the sense that long term I think it has been proven successful. When you look at the Tomatometers and IMDB scores for Superman Returns, Indy 4, the Star Trek prequels and countless other projects the general consensus upon release is striking in comparison to their status in the general conversation. And I think Prometheus was the latest/best example that in coming years will be interesting to see if the vocal anti-fans will succeed in moving that needle. I would include Cloud Atlas in there too but I think since it didn’t make much money there’s no real drive to define that film like people have with other Wachowski projects. Maybe it comes down to that beyond fand conflict with critical concensus, when something you don’t like makes a shitload of money, there’s more of an inner push to win the battle by tarnishing it’s legacy. They’ll forget financial success if you ruin how it is remembered.

Anyways most of my complaints here are coming from a place where I think I understand better why the internet/nerd culture community attack films than why certain films die with critics. When critics shit on something like Speed Racer I lazily just fall back to the “They’re old and out of touch” line, which is probably only so true.

Marina
Guest

The clouds part, the sun shines down and the angels sing. Brown gets Twilight. You sir, are awesome.

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Scott Farmer
Guest

Great related blog post on studio blockbuster conspiracy and why Lucas and Spielberg will never be right. http://awardfantasy.tumblr.com/post/58159014359/studios-to-directors-play-the-game-or-your-out

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