Cinecast Episode 308 – Beards and Sunburns

It’s been a while since we got a good old fashioned sneak review from Matt Gamble. But for today’s show he graces us with some early thoughts on the new STAR TREK film, INTO DARKNESS; totally spoiler free of course. He refuses to even verify Andrew’s hunches on who the villain is. Before all of that however, we promised not to see IRON MAN 3, so of course we did just that. Andrew and Kurt sing the praises of a smaller film making the cinema rounds with KON-TIKI; a fully English film but somehow nominated for best foreign language picture at the Oscars? HotDocs has finally wrapped and Kurt gives all of his thoughts on the latest films from that festival. Of course we would be quite remiss if we didn’t at least acknowledge the work of Ray Harryhausen before getting out our boobs and swords for the latest episode of “Game of Thrones.” All of this leads to a hefty watch list and some banter about movie marketing in North America vs. overseas. We jammed a lot of stuff into 150 minutes, so please enjoy!

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!

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Full show notes are under the seats…




– Kurt on Director’s Club Podcast (Room 237 and Upstream Color)
– Kurt kids’ talk Jaws
– High and Low Brow podcast (The Nanny and Lady in a Cage)

Ray Harryhausen

“Adieu Polynesia”




– Passing of Ray Harryhausen




Iron Man 3




– season 3, episode 6
– music provided by Charlie Parra del Riego




Shooting Bigfoot
12 O’Clock Boys
I Will Be Murdered
The Unbelievers




Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World

Star Trek: Into Darkness

James and the Giant Peach




– The Great Gatsby
– Mud



~ COMMENTS or QUESTIONS? ~ (general)


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Nat Almirall

According to IMDB, they shot two versions of Kon-Tiki — one in English and another in Norwegian — back to back, so they could get international funding. The Norwegian version, I guess, is what they submitted to the Academy. I believe it also has several scenes that don’t appear in the English version.


Well, that explains it. I was 99% sure that the version I saw was in Norwegian with English subs.

Nat Almirall

Did your version have a sequence where Thor dreams he’s back in Polynesia and has to flee? I remember something like that in the Norwegian version I saw, and I didn’t see it in the English version.


I don’t recall that scene, is it towards the end of the film?

Nat Almirall

I thought it was near the beginning — or at least right before he sails. But I’m probably wrong. Incidentally, I suggest you check out Blancanieves.

Rick Vance

Diana Rigg complemented Charles Dance after their duel and he totally won that exchange.

He was about to sign away her grand son as an ultimatum so she conceded.


I can kinda see that now, but in my mind at the time, it looked like a draw.

Sean Kelly

JAMES AND THE GIANT PEACH was indeed produced by Tim Burton (the Bell Lightbox even screened it as part of the retrospective that went along with the Burton exhibit). However, unlike THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, Burton’s name wasn’t really used in the marketing of the film.

Henry Selick’s first solo outing was the live action/stop motion hybrid MONKEYBONE in 2001, which I never saw. Then of course, there’s CORALINE, which I absolutely love.

Sean Kelly

I saw all but one of the Hot Docs films Kurt spoke about, so I thought I would give my two cents.

This was hands-down the most FUN documentary in Hot Docs’ line-up. It’s kind of more in line with those “ghost hunters” reality shows than a truly objective documentary. There’s some obvious staging going on at one point and I had a discussion with some after the film wondering if the director was in on it. All in all, I enjoyed the film for what it is.

I think I saw this film before Kurt and there were also walkouts during the reindeer slaughtering (I just ate one of the worst chicken shawarma’s I ever had, so my stomach didn’t respond well to those scenes). However, there are just a very small percentage of the film and I overall liked AATSINKI.

I absolutely loved this film! Kurt didn’t really mention the film’s score, which really made this film an excellent invasion of the senses.

I interpreted this film slightly different than Kurt. I thought that the main subject is a little TOO concerned with joining these dirt bikers, with little concern about anything else. I still liked it though.

I have nothing to add to what Kurt said about the film.

As a practicing Catholic, I took one look at the film’s description and said “no thanks.” I accept the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of people who are atheists, but I don’t want to have anything to do with a film that preaches against my beliefs.

A good summary of all 36 (!!!!) films I saw at Hot Docs can be found here:

Rick Vance

The two ‘archery’ scenes are kinda related in that Game of Thrones episode aren’t they? The wounding pattern is similar, the defenselessness of the targets, the fact that Roz was created for the show to fill in gaps for non book readers and doesn’t really have that much personality kinda turned her into a straw man at parts.

Kurt Halfyard

This is a fantastic observation. A Game of Thrones in general likes to fling arrows. Barbs. Darts. Trajectories.


Calling it: The Great Gatsby ($189, $78)

Excess is good.

Andrew James

Ok c’mon, is the villain of Star Trek really that big of a secret at this point? I mean the internets (including RowThree) have been saying for months that it is Khan, the IMDb lists him as Khan and the fact that there is a character named Dr Carol Marcus raises another flag.

What am I missing here? I don’t know what this big secret Matt and Kurt are talking about here.

David Brook

I didn’t realise this wasn’t out in the US yet. This year’s been great for UK audiences getting things early!

I watched Star Trek Into Darkness on Tuesday and thought it was ok. It rattles along at an amazing pace so is certainly entertaining, but it’s incredibly derivative and never particularly exciting or mind-blowing. Like the Amazing Spiderman last year it’s never bad so to speak, just frustratingly mediocre and instantly forgettable. I preferred Star Trek to that though.

Matt Gamble

The entire marketing campaign has been built around not revealing who the villain of Star Trek will be. Which is kind of stupid, but whatever. That’s how Abrams operates.

And Cumberbatch’s name is John Harrisson (sp?) in the film.

Robert Reineke

When you market a film around the mystery of the villain, it helps if the general audience is at least vaguely familiar with more than one villain. Otherwise, what’s the point if the audience can really only think of one guy to begin with.

It would be like making a Sherlock Holmes film, play the “who’s the villain?” guessing game, and then revealing that the villain is Moriarty. A “mystery” with an obvious answer like that is nothing but a letdown.

The problem with the “mystery box” is that it only works when there’s multiple terrific things the answer could be. But when you get to the point where the answer is either the most obvious thing you can think of or something nobody cares about, you’ve completely failed to realize that your marketing campaign is screwed. One size does not fit all.

Matt Gamble

The problem with the “mystery box” is that Abrams is the one wrapping it. The guy is a parlor magician.

Sean Kelly

Frankly, I don’t give a damn. 😛

I don’t know why people are so hung up on the NAME of the villain. All that really counts is whether Cumberbatch is good as said villain.

Also, until the film is released and cast information can be verified, anything on IMDB should be taken with a grain of salt (since a lot of information is based on user submissions).


Cumberbatch may be the best thing about Into Darkness, but his character’s identity isn’t actually that important in the end. He’s still pretty much a generic super-smart bad guy.

The film itself is entertaining but bombastic, and doesn’t leave much of an impression. I preferred it to the 2009 film, for what it’s worth.