Cinecast Episode 305 – Throwing Darts at a Hornet’s Nest

Being April, we thought it apropos to talk some baseball films – including 42, A League of Their Own, Major League and on and on. We once again debate the merits (and demerits) of Zack Snyder’s Watchmen and express our disappointment in one Danny Boyle. Speaking of Zack Snyder, the man with the “S” on his shirt is coming
back once again and the spectacular new trailer can’t go without mention. Listener’s deride Kurt on last week’s Evil Dead discussion, Hot Docs is in full swing, Minneapolis Film Fest is getting its tank treads rolling and did we mention those are some pretty terrific neck ties!!?

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


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~ IN-HOUSE BUSINESS ~

– last week’s video download problem
– Matt and James do a commentary for Twilight at Where the Long Tail Ends
– Kurt on the director’s club podcast

OPENING QUOTE:
Stephen Stucker
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Airplane

CLOSING BUMPER MUSIC:
“Sink the Bismarck”
by
Johnny Horton

 


 

~ MAIN REVIEW ~

Trance (SPOILERS!!)

 


 

~ LISTENER INTERACTION ~

Evil Dead reaction

Email: Kurt | Andrew

Voice Mail: 612-367-ROW3

We’ll call you!:

 


 

~ GAME OF THRONES RECAP ~

– s3ep3 (SPOILERS!!)

 


 

~ THE WATCH LIST ~

Kurt
The Manor (Hot Docs)
Muscle Shoals (Hot Docs)
William in the Windmill (Hot Docs)
The Bay
Room 237
Contagion
28 Weeks Later
– – Kurt’s biohazard triple bill
– “Melancholic’s Anonymous”

Matt
42
– Louis C.K. “Oh My God”
– “WTF” with Marc Maron (podcast link)

Andrew
A League of Their Own
Jurassic Park (IMAX 3D)
White Tiger
Watchmen

 


 

~ OTHER STUFF MENTIONED ~

– The Goldblum chest shot
– TED Talk: William and the Windmill
– Louie Meeting Lynch

 


 

~ NEXT WEEK ~


– The Company You Keep
– Oblivion

– HotDocs titles
– MSPIFF titles

 


 

~ FIND US ONLINE ~

Andrew: about.me
Kurt: Twitter | G+ | Letterboxd
Matt: Twitter | LetterBoxd | Where the Long Tail Ends
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~ COMMENTS or QUESTIONS? ~

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44 Comments

  1. The Ruins is fucking atrocious. As a Mexican, it is one of the most offensive films I have ever seen. How is possible for an indigenous group that lives near Acapulco and wear Western clothing, does not know how to speak Spanish? It is complete bullshit.

    Furthermore, the film miss the opportunity to examined the exitential and societal treat of the virus. Instead all we get is fucking terrible, stupid, good looking characters. Seriously, fuck this film!

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  2. Yes Kurt, I do indeed value your opinion. For the record, I didn’t read your full review until after seeing the film (the comments are a little more unavoidable)

    Also I’m one of Andrew’s Letterboxd friends who gave TRANCE 4 1/2 stars and I haven’t been 12 for 19 years. I could write another listener feedback about that film, however I’m looking to be more in the minority about that one (at least when it comes to MY Letterboxd friends).

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  3. Wasn’t old-man makeup on Geena Davis in A League of their Own. Lynn Cartwright played the older version of her character. But Geena Davis’ voice was dubbed over the actress’ lines.

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  4. The Bay was my favourite film of last year’s Midnight Madness line-up and I actually found it quite chilling.

    It is definitely scary that, other than the specific events, nothing in the film is really fictional. Even they bay itself truly exists (and is one of the most polluted areas of the United States).

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  5. Ashamed as I am to agree with Kurt, he’s spot on with Watchmen — the revelation of Laurie’s father scene is a microcosm of the whole point of the book — that is that, “Did Ozy do the right thing?” or is it okay to do horrible things for the greater good? And the Laurie/Comedian connection, Dr. Manhattan’s reaction to it is a variation on that theme — the Comedian did horrible things his whole life and yet his legacy is ultimately something good in Laurie, that, as opposed to Ozy, it was never planned and purely coincidental.

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    • The problem is that scene doesn’t play at all in the movie.

      Probably the best example of why it doesn’t work in the film medium is that whole side plot with Laurie and everything having to do with her.

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      • I said this before, my biggest problem with the film is the aesthetic of the film, because it undermines the themes that the film wants to explore.

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  6. I have a feeling that Kurt has watched the Director’s Cut of Watchmen and has not realized it.

    Each version has a quite sizable time difference:
    Theatrical – 162 min
    Director’s Cut – 186 min
    Ultimate Cut – 215 min

    The director’s cut is the version that’s easiest to come by and theatrical cut isn’t even available on blu-ray (you can get it on DVD)

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  7. I have the DVD that Blockbuster carried on its original release (I got the film for $0.75 when the local BB went out of business), It feels about 3 hours, so it might be the Director’s Cut, but I don’t think it says so anywhere on the DVD case….

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    • One of the best parts of the Director’s Cut is more Stephen McHattie. He has a great fight scene cut to Mascagni classical music. So Kurt, if you don’t know what I’m talking about, then you’re only watching the theatrical version.

      I much prefer the Director’s Cut. I was on board with most people’s criticisms back in 2009. But now, Watchmen gets better and better upon re-watch. The dialogue is still pedestrian, but the visuals, music and storyline does it for me. I think Dr. Manhattan is one of my all-time favorite superhero characters on film. I can’t get enough of him. If Einstein and the Buddha had a star child together, it would be Dr. Manhattan.

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      • The I definitely have the theatrical cut, because I’ve not seen that particular scene. McHattie is, indeed, almost always excellent. I was always disappointed that his part was so small in Watchmen, especially when PONTYPOOL was playing at about the same time, and he’s wall to wall amazing in that one, so good to know I have something to look foward when I buy Watchmen on BLU.

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  8. Hey guys, first thing, Trance was only my 3rd Boyle film viewed after 28 days later and The Beach, so I guess I didn’t have some preconceived expectations of his work, but I thought the film was pretty good. I wouldn’t give it 4.5 or 5 stars, I gave it 3.5 for the performances that I thought were good, I agree with Andrew about McAvoy, he is usually great IMO. I also thought it was very visually stimulating, and not just seeing Dawson’s shaved beaver. Maybe my ignorance of Boyle’s filmography prevents me from being more critical of Trance, but I liked it quite a bit. You guys are right about it being predictable, but I don’t believe that hurt the film for me.

    The dice based baseball game is not “rotisserie”, rotisserie is the original form of fantasy baseball base on real life stats. (evidently you guys haven’t played fantasy baseball, but that’s OK)

    I think what you are referring to is called TPB baseball or something Kurt. Was it a board game?

    Great show either way, Kurt has a great point about the show being better when Gamble prods the discussion with a stick.

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  9. So I watched Louis C.K. “Oh My God” after the discussion on the show and I have to admit that I only find Louis C.K. occasionally funny.

    There is a certain brand of stand-up comedy that I laugh at and frankly Louis doesn’t really do it for me.

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    • And after watching a bunch of his stand-up on YouTube, I have to say that George Carlin runs circles around Louis C.K. (no matter how much the latter wants to be the former).

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      • I don’t think Louis C.K. is the funniest comedian working today either, but to be fair I think he’s going for his own thing and not trying to be Carlin. Carlin has a much more lyrical beat to his routines, while Louis is more brusque. Likewise, the Louis I’ve seen tends to be more focused on examining minutiae whereas Carlin looks at bigger pictures.

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        • Somewhat agree, but the “But Maybe…” routine on OH MY GOD was very obviously inspired by Carlin.

          For me, it’s all about stage presence and charisma. I laugh when comics sell their humour with hand gestures and emotion. Louis does that at time (at which I laughed), but he also spends a lot of time just standing there and talking in the mic (which doesn’t generate more than a light giggle).

          It might be just me.

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          • I look at it less of how well a routine holds up over the years and more how much it make me laugh. I admit Louis CK and Carlin are adding more than laughs, they are being insightful… but Chris Rock makes me laugh more and harder. That said, Karl Pilkington probably makes me laugh harder than them all, and he is far from a comic genius.

          • I`d actually dare say the last 2 decades of Carlin`s career were mostly a waste, obsessed with wordplay and having very few truly inspired bits that actually were funny.

            For my money the best working standups other than Louis, Maron, Patton… I think John Mulaney has very quickly become one of the best comedians working, and I think everyone should seek out UK comedian Stewart Lee. An absolute genius. Below is his Stewart Lee vs. Ang Lee bit since I think Kurt would appreciate it.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHC13MYcrR4

          • I’d disagree about the gesturing, or lack thereof. CK absolutely uses body language to sell his bits. His entire frustrated douchebag persona is pretty reliant on it.

          • Agreed. Louis CK is more about the balance between the inner ID and outer society and where the balance is. That’s why I put him above Rock (whose more straight society stuff)…And in 10 years I’d imagine that Louis CK passes Carlin in my book. I think his routines have very few weak bits (even, yes, his ‘taking a shit’ is ..er.. solid). As I said on the show, Louis CK aims to make his audience better morally, but suffering through his trials and tribulations. It’s GENIUS in my book.

          • Yeah, thematically I’d say CK has more in common with Bill Hicks, which is mighty fine company. Though Hicks tried to drag his audience, sometime even kicking and screaming, to a moral and spiritual high ground.

          • Carlin became something of a pure nihilist at the end of his career. Yes, it is funny as hell, but it is dangerously close to ‘grumpy old man’ ranting, which is to say it doesn’t quite bring the audience in as much as it does batter them over the head. I still love the guy and his comedy, but those last few shows are kind of ANGRY.

          • While we’re on gestures, I think a shout-out is due to Bill Cosby’s early stuff — if you can find it on YouTube, there’s a great interview with him and Jack Benny on the Dick Cavett show where he tells a story of playing jazz drums to Cherokee, and his motions alone have Benny falling out of his seat.

  10. Good Baseball movies and no one mentioned the original “Bad News Bears”?

    Oh and Europeans can’t make good football (soccer) movies.
    I have yet to see even a mildly decent one, no matter where it comes from. “Victory” isn’t good and “Shaolin Soccer” isn’t really a football movie.

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    • Shaolin Soccer sure is a lot of fun though. Love that movie, all its silliness and CGI overkill somehow is quite endearing…(But Kung Fu Hustle is even better!)

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      • Totaly agree on both. I love Hustle to death, but Shaolin Soccer as good as it is, depite the name isn’t a soccer movie.
        Regarding Kung Fu Hustle:
        I have seen that movie in cantonese, english and german.
        The english dubbing is a masterpiece of it’s own. Rarely have i experienced a dubbing adding an extra layer of awesomeness to a movie.

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    • Yeah, Bad News Bears is one I thought of once we were done recording. That movie is truly great, though it may be to blame for pretty much every shitty kids sports movie attempting to follow its formula.

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