Cinecast Episode 291 – Establishing a Rhythm

As promised we’re back with the second episode of the week in which we tackle a lot more op/ed and listener ideas than we previously thought we would get into. Lots of thoughts on Netflix “television” releasing a whole season in one shot over serialized, episodic television. Star Wars off shoot movies maybe aren’t the worst idea ever and LetterBoxd now makes you pay to make lists. The Watch List is quite intensive as we talk a little more “House of Cards” as well as older Soderbergh, more Memphis 3 docs, Anna Kendrick in an “a capella fighting” movie and the teen garbage that is Perks of Being a Wallflower. The shorter thing doesn’t quite happen as planned, but it’s a fair bit of discussion that gets disagreeable at times. Hope you enjoy the new format. – Also let us know about ideas you have for Episode 300 coming soon!

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


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~ SHOW DETAILS/SEGMENT TIMES ~

Opening:     :00
Intros/In-house Business:     00:38
Listener Interaction:     2:44
The Watch List:     52:39
Next week:     1:45:50
Outro music:     1:46:36 – 1:52:00

 

OPENING QUOTE:
Arnold
in
Kindergarten Cop

CLOSING BUMPER MUSIC:
“Time to Run”
by
Lord Huron

 


 

~ IN-HOUSE BUSINESS ~

 

– Reminders about the new Cinecast format

 


 

~ THE WATCH LIST ~

Kurt
– “House of Cards” (no spoilers)
West of Memphis

Andrew
The Perks of Being a Wallflower
Pitch Perfect
The Underneath
– “Freaks and Geeks”

 


 

~ LISTENER INTERACTION ~

– Plug: HungryShakespeare.com
– Email: bad music in film
– Comments: serialized Netflix, comments towards Kurt
– LetterBoxd Pro
– new Star Wars movies
– Ideas for Episode 300?

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Nicole
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No Gamble again?

Matt Gamble
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I was busy playing with James over at my site.

Voncaster
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WTF. Letterboxd makes you pay to use lists? It seems like there are much better ways to monetize the site than that. Ridiculous.

Sean Kelly
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Free members can still make lists. They are just limited to 20 films.

JapeMan
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No video feed?

antho42
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Maybe you went to a hip High School, Andrew James, but my high school encouraged vanilla music, such as Linkin Park or pop hits, or safe classic stuff, such Metallica and The Beatles. There were not that many hipsters around.

What is kind of funny is that The Smiths had a huge following with the more “Chicano” Mexican students. Weird. This association put me off from listen to their music, for a while.

antho42
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And I agree with Kurt: We yanks do put lots of emphasis on our high school phase. Prom is treated like one the most important moments in someone’s life.

From my experience, except for maybe Japan (although that’s a different story), the world does not give a toss about the high school experience.

ultimolee
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@Andrew Letterboxd changed their mind on the 20 film limit lists after a big out cry from pretty much everyone on the site.

Here’s the 500 comment thread
http://letterboxd.com/mr_dulac/list/letterboxd-pro-whos-in/

If you Ctrl + f Matthew Buchanan it’s all explained.

Sean Kelly
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Yep, they have indeed re-added unlimited lists to free account. However, you still need the pro account for Netflix integration (unless you already have it), IMDB import, and the year in review.

http://letterboxd.com/pro/

Bob
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@Andrew I can see your point regarding Letterboxd, though you kind of sounded a bit like a junkie whose dealer just told him the free hits are gone, time to pay up. Your example of IMDB sealed that, as you said you and Kurt would HAVE to pay in the scenario you provided. But why would you HAVE to pay? You said it, because you need that information. If you can find it cheaper and more conveniently elsewhere, you’ll do it.

I think Letterboxd will figure this out as they go. There are HUGE opportunities for them to make use of the data their collecting, and it doesn’t have to translate to more ads on the site. I would guess the studios would be interested in some of that data. How about indie filmmakers who want to promote their latest film in front of an audience who is more likely to enjoy it? There are a lot of ways for Letterboxd to make money. I’m thankful they went with this route, paying for the service, but I expect them to continue to iterate and evolve it.

Sean Kelly
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I’m assuming you’re talking about “In the House, In a Heartbeat,” which is a track from John Murphy’s score from 28 Days Later

The theme HAS been reused in Kick-Ass, which was also scored by John Murphy.

Also, the version of Comfortably Numb used in THE DEPARTED is a live version by John Waters and Van Morrison.

Sean Kelly
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Also, the David Bowie song from Inglourious Basterds is called “Cat People” and was written for the film of the same name.

Markus Krenn
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Speaking of, im still waiting for someone to use Floyd’s Wish you were here in a good context.
The coverversion in Dogtown Boys didn’t do it for me.

Markus Krenn
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I gave Pitch Perfect a 4/5 on Letterboxd. Not because it’s a good movie by any means, but i enjoyed the heck out of it.
By any means i shouldn’t have, but it pushed alot of buttons for me.
And the puke angel was hilarious.

Arnold Schizopolis
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Regarding the new Star Wars movies, forget about JJ Abrams’ lens flare. My biggest concern about JJ as director is that he has to shoot and edit Star Wars classically. So no more slow-mo shots edited to dramatic music, no spinning camera moves, no fast moving crane shots, no POV, etc. Has JJ ever shot a film without relying on these fancy techniques? Will he change Star Wars and use techniques that were never used in episodes 1 thru 6?

I always thought filmmakers like Ang Lee, Joe Wright or even PT Anderson would’ve been perfect directors for a Star Wars movie. Lucas’ hero was Kurosawa and these directors can shoot epic and classic. Other than JJ, the short list of directors were Jon Favreau, Matthew Vaughan and I think Ben Affleck. WTF??

Sean Kelly
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Kurt, as someone who has read THE GREEN MILE, it was NOT released Chapter by Chapter. It was released as five multi-chapter novellas, which are still labeled in the full novel.

antho42
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They tend to do that in Asian countries. Most of Murakami’s novels were released as multi-novellas in Japan.

Sean Kelly
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Episode 300 – Do a live commentary of the movie 300. 😛

Sean Kelly
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Or, at the very least, photoshop the poster for that episode’s logo.

Goon
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I think Andrew is emotionally tone-deaf on Perks, but oh well. Kurt in the other hand is a jerk if he’s going to generally snub his nose at people his age who can relate to high-school age oriented films… extend that to children’s films as well? Just because you can’t empathasize and emotionally connect to characters going through such self centred and confused times doesn’t give you the right to judge others here. Its people who can do this that are making art that helps people get over themselves, grow up, and/or enjoy those times with as little unnecessary drama as possible. This sstuff also allows others to relive and address old wounds to give them better perspective to move forward and live less bitter lives, let go and forgive.

Extending that even younger your attitude is essentially a middle finger to a Jim Henson young at heart type. If you’re gonna look down at people who can enjoy an uplifting youth centric work, well, shame on you man. That’s awful.

Kurt
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No. I’m snubbing my nose on the glorification of the High-School experience in American culture, equating that it is THE-MOST-IMPORTANT time in your life.

It’s not.

I can relate to inner child, romance for the wonder years and all that, or, really, emotionally significant moments at any age (I’m a big fan of both Paul Cox’s Innocence, and Michael Haneke’s Amour, both focus on Septuagenarians) as equally as something like Stand By Me or Welcome to the Dollhouse.)

Matt Gamble
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To the main character of the film, it kind of is.

BTW, a big reason why the High School experience is so glorified in American culture is that for roughly the past 100 years every generation has had huge amounts of kids being shipped off to be killed in a war at the age of 18. So yeah, High School is kind of a big deal.

Markus Krenn
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No love for “Dear Wendy” in that regard?

Goon
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You should revisit what you said about your “ludicrous” peers on the show. You may not have intended perhaps but what you actually stated came across as highly offensive

Goon
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“I have no problem with something like Perks of Being a Wallflower speaking to its age group, but someone in our age group watching that is ludicrous.”

This is the sentence I’m calling out here.

Kurt
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Guilty on that one.

Matt Gamble
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I’d say the bigger offense is Kurt’s flippant dismissal of the It Get’s Better Project just so he could go on some ridiculous ageist rant.

Kurt
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Not sure where you are coming from on this, Gamble.

I thought I was praising that campaign, and damning the ‘importance’ that American culture places on ‘The Highschool Experience'(tm)

Matt Gamble
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You didn’t offer a single word of praise for it. You only claimed it was sad that it even had to exist and then you went straight into “I have no problem with something like Perks of Being a Wallflower speaking to its age group, but someone in our age group watching that is ludicrous.”

Christ dude, you basically inferred that people who like Breakfast Club are causing teenagers to commit suicide.

Put the glass of wine down and think before you rant.

Kurt
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There is more nuance and context than that. I’m merely sorry that you’re interpretation of my words was not my precise intent.

Matt Gamble
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I’m sure in your alcohol infused brain there was, but in the show there wasn’t.

Seriosuly dude, Goon is right to call you out on this because you were being a huge dick, all because you didn’t like a movie THAT YOU HAVEN’T EVEN WATCHED.

Kurt
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I wasn’t talking about the film. I was talking about my reaction to American over-valuing of the high-school experience. I actually kinda want to see Perks of Being A Wallflower, it’s just not too high on my list.

Matt Gamble
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Try not to be too ludicrous while watching it. I know it will be a challenge.

Goon
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The man repented. I’ve let it go.

We still love you, Russell Crowe Jr. (The kids can call you CroweJu)

Sean Kelly
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I do agree with Kurt that, as long as there are collectors (like myself), there should still be a market for physical media for the foreseeable future. Heck, just look at how well vinyl records are doing right now.

I have mixed feelings about the digital distribution of movies. On one hand, services like Netflix and CinemaNow have limited my need to actually RENT a physical copy of a film (though I still do if it isn’t available digitally). On the other hand, I believe that it is incredibly impersonal to OWN a digital copy of a movie. A few months ago, I got my DVD copy of Halloween signed by John Carpenter himself. That’s not something you can do with a file on a hard drive.

Then there’s the iffy longevity of digital files. I do admit that services, like iTunes, have improved in this regard. In the past, you were only able to download a, DRM-protected, file from iTunes a single time. Now iTunes has gotten rid of DRM and, if you subscribe to their iTunes Match service, you can re-download any of your purchases (as long as it’s still available in the store). Still, it could get annoying when (not if) your computer hard drive crashes and you lose your entire digital movie collection.

Also, the actual ownership gets iffy when it comes to digital. It’s easy to say that you own a disc copy of a film, but you can’t really claim the same ownership about a digital file on your hard drive. In fact, apparently the fine print (that nobody read) states that you only purchased a licence for the film and, once you die, you relinquish ownership. I believe there have been real cases of companies taking digital files back (or so I’ve heard on the technology podcasts I listen to).

Bottom line, I still plan to buy physical media as long as stores still sell them.

Rick Vance
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I am both I have a big shelf of comics and a tablet. What I read on what device depends on the product.

Movies is something completely different in this day in age for one simple reason, bandwidth!

If I were to stream everything I watched off Netflix instead of just buying them for 20-8 dollars it would probably run me more from the Canadian Internet plans than it would to just buy what I want.

Matt Gamble
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When you buy a film you only own the license to play it within your own home. Playing it in public is illegal, even if it is your copy of the film.

Sean Kelly
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True, but you still own the piece of plastic it plays on.

Kurt
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A good piece on House of Cards’ use of breaking of the 4th Wall: https://medium.com/house-of-cards/b54a60143519

Sean Kelly
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Interesting facts about House of Cards (learned from a tech podcast of all things):
– #1 on Netflix
– Netflix ordered two seasons from the very start
– Netflix ONLY has North American (and British) rights for the show (which is actually owned by Kevin Spacey’s production company TriggerStreet).
– Will be shown on regular TV in other countries (and a DVD release is not out of question).

Matthew Fabb
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I knew about it being the most popular Netflix show that they have ever had, but I didn’t know the other points. Thanks for sharing.

Sean Kelly
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CORRECTION: Netflix operates in 40 countries and has the rights for House of Cards in those countries.

However, it will also be on “normal” TV channels in some countries (for instance, it will be on Canal+ in France).

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