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  1. Andrew James says:

    To download the VIDEO version of the show, paste the following URL into your favorite downloader or right click and “save as…”:

    http://rowthree.com/video/cinecast13/episode_290.mp4 (193 MB)

  2. Matthew Fabb says:

    Sean Kelly posted the following article on the Substream:
    http://www.slashfilm.com/is-netflixs-full-season-release-strategy-a-smart-business-model/

    It argues that Netflix might have gotten more publicity to have staggered the release out over a longer period of time. However, is more publicity greater than more of Netflix users enjoying being able to watch the content when they want? There is definitely something to be said about consumer satisfaction, despite one of the main pushes of this new content is to get new subscribers.

    The other question I also ask on the Substream is wondering if Netflix will ever release this on DVD or blu-ray or if this will continue to be something that you can only watch with a subscription?

    • CS says:

      Personally I think it makes sense for Netflix to release the whole season of House of Cards at once. I know tons of people who got hooked on The Wire only after the series came out on DVD. The problem with the old “once a week“ model is that you have to pretty much ensure that your show is a hit from the start. For every Lost, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men there are dozens of shows that got cancelled based on poor first week ratings. A lot of the best shows took a long time to build audiences, and time is something most networks do not have these days.

      So far I am enjoying House of Cards (currently on episode 5), but it took me a while to get into the show. I am not sure I would be as invested as I am now, if I did not have the option to “binge” watch series.

      • Sean Kelly says:

        However, the argument is that, once everyone has finished burning through the entire season, there is no reason to stay subscribed to Netflix.

        Since Netflix typically offers one free month to first-time subscribers, people can theoretically subscribe, watch the entire season of HOUSE OF CARDS, and unsubscribe without paying a cent.

        There also HAS been a couple shows (such as the 4th and 5th seasons of DAMAGES), in which episodes were added over a period of time. Though I think in DAMAGES’ case, the episode aired on DirecTV first before being posted to Netflix.

        • Matthew Fabb says:

          I would be curious about the data of people who subscribe for a month and then cancel versus those who find out they like the service and stick with it. I mean that’s why there is a free month trial to begin with, as it is a good way to get new subscribers. I have no data, but I’m guessing they get more people who stick with them than subscribe and then cancel.

        • Matthew Fabb says:

          Well, Netflix just announced revenue is up and they now have more subscribers than HBO.

          Also they said out of millions of free trials in the past corner that apparently under 8,000 were out the game the system and watch the show then leave.

          So it seems like this was a success for Netflix and they plan on keeping with the format. If House of Cards had been airing weekly, the last episode would have just aired.

    • Voncaster says:

      I have to think that the Netflix braintrust thought through this decision pretty carefully. Offering full season vs. parceling out content over a period of time.

      I think Netflix has already changed the paradigm for movie and tv consumption. So I’m not surprised that they have abandoned the network tv model of tune in this week at this time for this episode.

      If these Netflix original offerings prove successful, I fully expect amazon and google (via Youtube?) to follow suit.

      Hooking people on the next service that replaces cable is what every company wants to do. Netflix vs. Prime vs. XBOX. Every company wants to sell a service.

      **

      There is no way that these Netflix shows are coming to blu ray and dvd. Why sell a product once when you can sell access to the product every month?

  3. Matthew Fabb says:

    I’ll also add the unless something has changed recently, Apple has had a long standing policy never to pay for product placement. They will supply Hollywood shows with their latest and greatest gadgets, but they will not pay the studio anything for their hardware to appear on screen. Considering how many movies and tv shows they are in, the policy to spend just on pure advertising on trying to make their products seem cool and that Hollywood will pick up on that seems to work for them.

  4. Sean Kelly says:

    FYI – only the video version of the podcast seems to be appearing in my iTunes feed.

    • Sean Kelly says:

      Thank Goodness for Manual Downloads

    • Andrew James says:

      Dammit, that’s right. Now I remember why I used to have two separate posts for audio and video. Stupid iTunes always picks up the video feed from the URL in the post. for some whacky reason – rather than the mp3 I manually put into the feed and say, “here iTunes, use THIS one.”

      Major flaw in the wordpress/podpress system.

      Sorry about this, I’ll see if I can’t figure something out for the next episode.

    • Andrew James says:

      Fixed I think. Might be too late for this episode if you’ve already refreshed your iTunes feed, but fromnow on we should be good.

  5. Sean Kelly says:

    If you only know Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as Mr Eko on LOST, I HIGHLY recommend you watch the HBO series OZ pronto.

    He played one of the main antagonists on the show and was a very evil and despicable character.

    • Marina says:

      OZ love. Word.

      Also the first place I saw:

      J.K. Simmons
      Lee Tergesen
      Dean Winters (what happened to him anyways?)
      Eamonn Walker
      Christopher Meloni
      Edie Falco

      The cast alone is enough reason to watch the show.

      • Sean Kelly says:

        Yeah the show features a real “Who’s Who,” including actors who have since appeared on shows such as The Wire, Dexter, and Fringe.

        I was also introduced to J.K. Simmons through OZ and people, who’ve known him for his mostly comedic movie work, will probably be shocked by his portrayal of a white supremacist, who regularly rapes other prisoners.

  6. Sean Kelly says:

    Rooney and Kate Mara are indeed sisters (Rooney being the younger – even though she looks older).

  7. Rick Vance says:

    Kurt I love ya but I can’t listen to you talk about anything serialized ever again.

    When people talk about TV in the form of parts in a whole and not as smaller wholes that build to a larger one it is problematic to me. It allows the quality of the individual pieces to slide as long as the whole is satisfactory and people tend to expect less from individual pieces if they know it is just Part7of12 instead of an entity of its own.

    That is why graphic novels hurt comic storytelling and why certain TV shows have altered things for a direction that is troubling.

    The Sopranos to me was the last show that told full stories in individual episodes along with a much larger whole of both the season and the series.

    If you are going to produce something in episodes it should be distributed by episode and be judged by episode.

    • Sean Kelly says:

      Well, Kurt repeatedly stated that he hasn’t been a TV subscriber for years, so I don’t know if he understands that episodic TV still appeals to some people (i.e. me).

  8. Markus Krenn says:

    Oh boy, while downloading the episode i read the show notes. First thing that came to mind was, oh no they are scrapping the homework assignment. I could live with that, except for i barely can ever comment on the release of the week, due to release schedules over here. Homework was fine because you could rely on older flicks.
    But then the with the show came the real slap in the face. Shorter shows? Who gives podcasters the idea that we want shorter shows? I understand that its less time consuming and easier for you, but for me as a listener….it sucks.
    Also i’m wondering how you will handle Mr. Gambles appearances from now on. Will he only be part of the review show? Or the follow up show?
    In any case, i know humans need time to adapt to changes and i’m sure you guys know what you’re doing. But as it is for the moment, im not that happy about it .
    I’ll email you with a recent cinema experience that really bothered me, maybe you can comment on that.

    • Andrew James says:

      Got your email. We’ll mention it.

      Don’t think of it as shorter shows though. Think of it as the same show, but more time to listen to it and quicker to download since it is split up into two parts. Also in theory at least from my standpoint), the quality of the shows should be better since we’ll have more energy and time to invest in each episode.

      Gamble can/will appear in any shows he can/wants to be a part of. You. Are. Invited.

  9. DavidM says:

    I’m looking forward to watching the US version of House of Cards; interesting to hear that they’ve kept the fouth-wall breaking.
    Does Kevin Spacey, at any point, say “You might very well think that; I couldn’t possibly comment.”? That became the series’ catchphrase when the UK version was shown in 1990 (yeah, they broke the forth wall in TV back in 1990).

  10. Sean Kelly says:

    Since I was introduced to Letterboxd through the Cinecast, I guess I should post here that they have now changed to a multi-tier membership.

    Here’s how it’s divided.

    Free
    - All accounts offer unlimited films, diary entries, reviews, ratings and lists.
    - Lists limited to 20 films.*
    - Watchlist limited to 20 films.*

    *Members who exceeded these limits prior to the introduction of Pro will be able to keep and edit existing content.

    Pro ($19US a Year)
    - No list limits.
    - Netflix filtering and queue integration.
    - Import from IMDb or via CSV file.
    - Personalised year in review.

    Parton ($49US a year)
    - Everything in PRO, plus the undying gratitude of everyone at Letterboxd HQ.
    - Name in lights on our Patrons page.
    - And the odd exclusive treat.

    Even though I’m sure some of the more casual users will be annoyed by this change, I’ve enjoyed using Letterboxd enough to be willing to pay the very reasonable charge for a pro account.

    I took advantage of the IMDB import feature to add every film I’ve ever rated on IMDB. Sadly, the ratings didn’t seem to be part of the import (probably because IMDB uses a scale of 10).

    And here’s my personalized Year in Review (quite funny who my most-watched star was) – http://letterboxd.com/spkx/year/2012/

    • Andrew James says:

      Yeah I already Tweeted to them about this. The only thing that irks me is the “no more than 20 films in a list” rule. That is just stupid. Not giving them 20 bucks for that. I’ll keep my own lists in other places.

      I like the year in review thing though. If someone wants to pay for that, that’s cool. But taking away features we already had is really a dick move.

      • Sean Kelly says:

        The pro account was probably added to help with the costs of maintaining to site.

        Letterboxd isn’t even a year old yet, but I think it’s starting to rival IMDB as a cinephile’s preferred place to log and rate movies.

        However, IMDB is owned by Amazon and can easily afford the traffic. I can imagine the Letterboxd growth is starting to become a strain.

        Either way, I hoping for a discussion on this change on the next Cinecast.

      • Sean Kelly says:

        Also, I believe the lists you already created remain unaffected. It’s only new lists that will have the 20 film limit (I’m assuming that number was picked because Letterboxd probably assumed most people used lists just for Ten 10s).

    • Andrew James says:

      Also flattered that I’m one of your “crushes.” Ha!

    • Markus Krenn says:

      Well i really enjoy letterbox and i don’t think 20 bucks a year is unreasonable.
      But lately more and more sites want that small amount of money from me.
      And it starts adding up.
      I surely wouldn’t mind to pay that money for a year of Cinecast, but then again if every podcast would start charging you get to a point of pick and choose. Which would suck.

  11. ultimolee says:

    Letterboxd can go suck a dick.

    Best alternatives to Letterboxd anyone?

    They changed the plans so i’m staying yay

  12. Robert Reineke says:

    I’m late to the topic, but I expect that House of Cards will eventually see a DVD release which will be modeled exactly on the HBO model. I.E. the box set will be so expensive that people will go, “you know, getting a subscription makes sense”, while still getting every bit of money out of people that love the show.

    • Kurt says:

      Super Deluxe Collector Edition vs. Cheap Subscription Model seems to be the paradigm that we’re in for the next little while.

      • Matt Gamble says:

        I’m tending to agree more with Robert that it isn’t so much an either/or situation but that it will used to help build the subscription base. Online still has a long way to go before it can be wholly independent of physical media.

  13. antho42 says:

    I am wondering, is the new format more beneficial for Gamble’s work and sleeping schedule?

  14. Andrew James says:

    Not sure why I had it in my head that Walter Hill is this great, prolific director. Looking over his filmography, I realize he’s never done anything that’s truly wow’d me. Sure The Warriors and The Driver are pretty fun, genre fare and there are a couple other movies in there that are passable entertainment, but nothing that I would really even consider above average and many that are flat out terrible.

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