Mamo #280: Sparkle Boner

In which we consider Twilight Breaking Dawn and its fanfic-frenzied fandom; the highways and byways of Leos Carax’s festival darling Holy Motors; and whether Star Wars: Episode VII can truly be Star Wars: Episode VII without the death of Han Solo. Grab your opinions and join us!

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Kurt
Guest

My wife salutes your continuing christ-ification of Mr. Lindelof.

On Holy Motors, which I quite enjoyed (and also thought of Cloud Atlas but HM had way better use of its makeup and its ‘everyman’), although completely agree that it never, ever achieves any emotional or even visual transcendence due to continually backing off from any sort of crescendo (Intermission Accordion tracking shots aside.) The go-to for me was Funny Games where Heneke keeps putting you in the Drama then pulling you out by 4th wall breaking.

I also found some of the nearby ‘reactions’ (by my movie loving companion) to the film distracting, but god bless she knew as little as anyone what we were all getting into…and she quite enjoyed the film in the end. Suffice it to say that Holy Motors is a film that ceases to surprise or shock after a certain point because it becomes predictable in its craziness. I still dug the film quite a bit, but wanted an emotional response (see: Goodbye Dragon Inn) – with HM I was merely happily entertained for the two hours (not to shabby, but as said in the podcast, not up to expectations either…It is telling that I had just as much fun in the OSS117 sequel which we ducked into immediately following HM.)

Accordions mentioned in the show:

Rick Vance
Guest

The smile on my face when that bit started was huge.

That film is full of small moments I love in a story that doesn’t pull together.

Kurt
Guest

BINGO!

Matthew Price
Guest

I didn’t want to call her out specifically, and I don’t bear her even the remotest amount of malice. Her reactions were engaged and genuine and had I been more engaged by the movie itself there would have been no problem. Sorry if it came off otherwise in the show.

Kurt
Guest

No it didn’t come across as bad in the show – you were (and always are) all class.
I was aware that it might have been a minor issue during the screening, but again reactions were genuine! — nothing wrong either way! And no, she wouldn’t be offended (we’ve all got tough skin) even if you had (but again, you guys are classy enough not to do so!)

Zero worries. No harm no foul.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

And the original R.L. Burnside song (sans accordions, but equally amazing):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQGgqzuWQ0&feature=related

antho42
Guest

“CARAX WAS DEEP INTO PRE-PRODUCTION ON ANOTHER FILM WHEN HIS PARTNER AND MOTHER TO HIS CHILD DIED IN PRIVATE CIRCUMSTANCES (IT WAS AN APPARENT SUICIDE). CARAX HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT IT, NOR SHOULD HE HAVE TO. HIS ANSWER WAS TO SIMPLY GO OFF AND DEVELOP A NEW IDEA. A STARKLY PERSONAL SURREALIST EFFORT ABOUT EVERYTHING HE WAS GOING THROUGH. A FILM THAT IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT DEATH, BUT THE WAY DEATH INSPIRES A REFLECTION ON MORTALITY AND THE LIFE THAT HE HAS LIVED.” – Film Critic Hulk
http://badassdigest.com/2012/09/22/fantastic-fest-review-holy-motors-is-perhaps-one-of-the-best-films-hulk-has/

antho42
Guest

As for films like Cloud Atlas and Holy Motors where actors/actresses play different roles, my favorite is Hou Hsiao-Hsien’s Three Times.

Kurt
Guest

The Life of Brian. Hands Down.

pwnny
Guest

Joe vs. The Volcano?

pwnny
Guest

I guess for me there were enough guideposts, and while nothing is fully explained, I give any film huge bonus points for refreshing originality. I think that’s mostly where my initial reaction came from. It was basically “OMG, I’m not sure what I just saw but it was crazy and unpredictable and that’s awesome!”

I do wish we were given a bit more of what’s hinted at during his conversation in the limo with “the man with the birthmark.”

The 2nd viewing helped a bit, but also brought up a few more questions. I’ve drawn my own conclusions, and I appreciate what I think it was trying to say and achieve.

(Also, I agree with Price that there has to be some reference to previous characters in Episode VII, just want that on record.)

pwnny
Guest

And no, there was no reason for uploading a Pixies jpg.

Sean Kelly
Guest

A Brief History of me and the Twilight Saga.
By Sean Kelly

TWILIGHT
I didn’t want anything to do with this film when it first came out. I eventually decide to watch it on the Movie Network and found it…watchable. This leads to…

NEW MOON
I was getting to know this girl, who was a big Twilight fan. I figured that New Moon would be a guaranteed date. I was immensely bored during the film. I never had another date with that girl.

ECLIPSE
After that failed experiment watching the Twilight films theatrically, I began watching Eclipse on the flight home from a trip to Calgary. In what can only be deus ex machina, my in-flight entertainment conks out mid-film. I never finish it.

BREAKING DAWN
Fuck this series.

Kurt
Guest

That’s a great breakdown of the series. I saw the first one with my wife (who had read the books) when it dropped on DVD (I picked the disc up from the Library so as to not add any further blood money to this film.) – Oh and at least with the film Thirteen I was a fan of ‘slightly-hysterical-Hardwick’ the director. After seeing how shitty the film was in craft and pacing a dialogue and all that basic stuff required to make a movie, I was done. Then on a flight from Trinidad to Toronto they showed the 3rd film which I watched in a half-awake-half-sleeping daze with the volume off, and it still was not improved (even if the craft edged slightly towards what a ‘real movie’ should look like…)

That’s as far as I’ve gotten with the films, and other than the crazy box-office numbers here, I’m not in any way intrigued with this franchise.

Sean Kelly
Guest

The irony with Eclipse is that it was directed by someone who made (in my opinion) a GOOD vampire movie – that being 30 DAYS OF NIGHT.

Simon Tarses
Guest

Considering the ‘blood money’ that you’ve most likely paid to see movies that many people considered just as crappy way back when (Monster Squad, The Goonies, Explorers, etc) I don’t see how seeing Twilight would have been any worse; after all, one day, people will be nostalgic about the Twilight series, and what will all of the haters say then?

Simon Tarses
Guest

Considering the ‘blood money’ that you’ve most likely paid to see movies that many people considered just as crappy way back when (Monster Squad, The Goonies, Explorers, etc) I don’t see how seeing Twilight would have been any worse; after all, one day, people will be nostalgic about the Twilight series, and what will all of the haters say then?

antho42
Guest

I am interested in hearing/reading Goon’s thoughts on Holy Motors.

Kurt
Guest

We shall endeavour to have him on the show this Tuesday if he is willing. Maybe bring in McNeil too.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Hate to spoil the party but from:
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/11/02/stephenie-meyer-more-twilight-books/
“I planned out where it would go for a couple more books,” she [Stephenie Meyer] said. “So, I knew exactly what would happen,” of the storyline that involves Jake, played by Taylor Lautner in the films, and Renesmee, played by Mackenzie Foy, following the end of Breaking Dawn.

“There are other characters who I think would have a lot of voice in those coming stories,” she said.
—–
However, the article also mentions that she doesn’t plan on writing them right now but doesn’t know how she will feel in 5 years time. Still, I don’t think like say Harry Potter that we have seen the last of Twilight.

Marina Antunes
Admin

From a fan… this comes as a bit of kick in the ass. This is the first I’ve ever heard Meyer even mention the possibility of other books in the series and frankly, don’t think they’ll capture what Twilight did.

It’s over. Time to move on to the next thing. Bring on Mortal Instruments.

antho42
Guest

Like the Mamo lads stated in this podcast, I am grateful for the popularity of Twilight. It success has led to Hollywood studios to take a chance on blockbusters that primarily target the female demographic.

While I was not the hugest fan of Hunger Games, it is at least a proper blockbuster…better than most superhero blockbusters.

Simon Tarses
Guest

While I was not the hugest fan of Hunger Games, it is at least a proper blockbuster…better than most superhero blockbusters.

How so? Hunger Games was a sci-fi movie, the superhero movies are…superhero movies. Two completely different genres.

antho42
Guest

Superhero is not really a genre. It is more like a sub-genre of the action and/science fiction genre (or sometimes even horror).

Matt Gamble
Guest

Superhero is an archetype, not a genre. Jesus is a superhero, but I don’t hear anyone lauding the superhero “genre” because of the existence of The Last Temptation of Christ.

It this basic misunderstanding that leads Halfyard to constantly attempt reducing the superhero “genre” into the “superhero comic book action sciencey mainstream blockbuster movie” genre all so he can find a way to rip on a very small portion of films he doesn’t like, while ignoring the ones that would refute his argument.

Kurt
Guest

I’m fine with that summary and my ‘genre-fying it’. Completely fine.

I even argued whether it was a lasting genre here:

Matt Gamble
Guest

Every argument needs its sacrificial lamb.

Matthew Price
Guest

Conveniently leaving out that you hands down lost that argument. 🙂

kurt
Guest

Only if you believe the Jury of 3.

Matthew Price
Guest

Jury of 3 + every sentient human being who has or will ever watch it. I pantsed you, get over it.

Kurt Halfyard
Guest

Thou dost protest too much, PRICE.

Sean Kelly
Guest

So, I literally saw HOLY MOTORS and I can say I liked it.

A film that kept popping into my head in relation to this film is Luis Bunuel’s 1974 film THE PHANTOM OF LIBERTY.

Perhaps it’s because they’re both weird vignette-based French films.

Jandy Hardesty
Guest

Now you’ve got me wondering what it would be like to figuratively see a film. Although, with HOLY MOTORS, one wonders if there would really be a difference… 😉

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I saw a film……sitting on a DVD shelf. Wait, that’s still literal, isn’t it?

David Brook
Guest

I’ve finally seen Holy Motors and reviewed it over at Blueprint: Review. I decided not to post it here because so much Holy Motors talk has already gone on and I didn’t feel I was adding much, but if you’re interested here’s a link: http://blueprintreview.co.uk/2013/02/holy-motors/

antho42
Guest

It’s official: Skyfall has out grossed The Dark Knight Rises.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Wow… so world wide, Skyfall is the #2 movie released in 2012. I would have never seen that coming at the beginning of 2012, hell not even after Skyfall opened.

Andrew James
Admin

Good. It’s ten times the film. Deserves the monetary praise.

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