Cinecast Episode 266 – On Mexican Coke

 
Kurt and Matt are up to their ears in their own movie worlds so didn’t have the pleasure of joining this much anticipated (and somewhat divisive) Cinecast *SPOILER* discussion on Dark Knight Rises. But we are lucky enough to bring back Commisioner Aaron Gordon of Landmark cinema fame to help out, as well as Ryan McBane from The Matinee Cast for his second Cinecast appearance in three episodes as well as multiple guest host, our own Catwoman, Jandy Stone. Before a healthy dose of The Watch List, this is all Dark Knight folks, so if you’re not already burned out on Dark Knight stuff, sit back and enjoy the colloquy… as well as talk about Mexican Coke, Pre-Olympic wagers, Bane impersonations and the Benny Hill version of 2001: A Space Odyssey. But first, a few moments of quiet respect for the tragically fallen.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 



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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– Dark Knight Podcast trilogy | part 1 | part 2 | part 3
– Ryan and Andrew discuss 10 BEST movies of all time podcast (coming Monday)


MAIN REVIEW:
The Dark Knight Rises (SPOILERS!)


THE WATCH LIST [spoiler free]:

Ryan
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Punch Drunk Love
A Serious Man
– “Breaking Bad” (season 5)

Aaron
– “Louie” (season 1)

Jandy
2001: A Space Odyssey
– “Parks and Recreation” (season 1 & 2)

Andrew
Wrath of the Titans
The Rum Diary
What’s Eating Gilbert Grape
Red Hill
Goon
Bernie
Beyond the Black Rainbow


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Jandy’s DVD Triage


NEXT WEEK:
Fantasia recap
Olympics opening ceremonies (Danny Boyle)
Probably more Dark Knight Rises
The Watch
Dark Horse
(Solondz)
Farewell My Queen
Trishna
(Winterbottom)


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Nat Almirall
Guest

I take the opening of A Serious Man to be a tone-setter; the dominant theme of the film is uncertainty — is God punishing Larry or isn’t he? Did the student offer Larry a bribe or didn’t he? Is Larry’s brother a genius or is he just a sexual deviant? Is the cat dead or is it alive?

The same goes for the beginning — is it a dybbuk or just a regular guy?

Schizopolis
Guest

I’ve watched TDKR twice already and I’m still dumbfounded by how Catwoman is getting universal praise. Anne Hathaway did a very good job with what was asked of her. But my biggest complaint about Catwoman in Nolan’s Batman is that every time Catwoman (not Selina Kyle) was onscreen, it felt like she was in a different movie. She had quippy one-liners during dire situations. She could beat up numerous trained attackers in her small to medium sized frame wearing a suit with no armor or protection. I would’ve suspended my disbelief if it was any other action movie, but this is the Nolan rooted in reality Batman universe. No one had a problem with this? Even when she kissed Batman during ticking nuclear bomb?

I heard that Bale specifically never wanted a Batman & Robin duo in the Nolan films, but Catwoman was essentially Robin in this movie. Batman & Catwoman were partners during the rooftop fight scene, sewer fight scene and the bomb chase finale. And most of all, her “costume” wasn’t practical. Unless anyone knows a soldier that goes into battle wearing a skin tight leather suit and high-heeled boots?? Catwoman in this movie was basically no different than Robin in the Schumacher films and the 60s Batman.

The biggest question I had walking out of this movie was why did Nolan choose to portray this kind of Catwoman in his movie? I heard that Jonathan Nolan advised Christopher that he had to address the Catwoman character, if this was indeed his final installment into the Batman mythos. It was obvious from the way Catwoman/Selina Kyle was written and filmed that more work was put into that character than any other new character in the movie. Maybe, Christopher Nolan went out of his way to make sure he wouldn’t receive his usual criticisms about weak female characters in his films.

During my two screenings, the female audience reacted positively whenever Catwoman or Selina Kyle did something theatrical or made a joke. So I think Nolan succeeded with Catwoman in creating a new template for the female “action-hero” genre. But unfortunately in my opinion, he failed in executing it in his own Batman universe. I guess that makes me a sexist or a misogynist lol

Schizopolis
Guest

Sorry, I didn’t mean to reply to Nat Almirall’s comment. There’s no way to delete and make a new comment.

antho42
Guest

Mexican Coke is good, but not good enough to pay the high cost. If you want good Mexican sodas, check out Sangria (grape) and Sidrel Mundet or Manzanita Sol (apple)

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Sangria is wine, though, isn’t it? Not soda. I’ve not had Sidrel Mundet, but Manzanita is really good. I haven’t had that since I was in Mexico. I should look for it here.

I usually get Mexican Coke at cafes or restaurants, where it’s not really any more expensive than regular Coke. It probably is more expensive to buy, like, at the grocery story on a regular basis.

antho42
Guest

Sangria is a Spanish wine; however, it is also the name of a Mexican soda.
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Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Ah, fair enough. I’ve only had the wine before.

antho42
Guest

Like all Mexican sodas, I do like the fact that Mexican Coke is served on a glass bottle. Glass bottles are the coolest looking soda bottles.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I definitively agree that the steep price for IMAX is not appealing. That is why I always redeem Scene points (the Cineplex rewards program) to see films in IMAX for free.

I accumulate points fast enough that I always have enough when the next big IMAX film is released.

Antho42
Guest

Andrew, you should rewatch Tim Burton’s Batman. Your memory is probably better than the film.

CS
Guest

LOL to both the Nothing But Trouble reference and the “make it rain” joke near the end.

A few more Olympic Opening Ceremony Bets:

Will the show go over 3 hours?
How many countries will only have 1 athlete?
Aside from the Queen, which Royal Family member do the television networks focus on the most? – I say Kate Middleton.

As for The Dark Knight Rises, I am surprised that so many people have problems with the note being in Gordon’s pocket. Realistically, very few people give speeches without having something written, even if it is a few note cards, on them. This is regardless of whether they actually use them or not. Having said that, I figured that Gordon merely forgot to take it out off his pocket when he got home. Especially since Gordon’s encounter with Bane pretty much happens the very next night.

In regards to the lack of civilians on the street during the Bane World sections, I just assumed everyone was hiding out at home or in other buildings. Since the “99%” were terrorizing the wealthy homes, and Banes army was patrolling the streets, there was very little the upstanding citizen could do in that situation.

Though I loved the film, my two biggest nitpicks were: 1) the battle to get the bomb trigger…despite the fact the bomb was set to go off regardless, and 2) Miranda waiting so long to reveal herself despite knowing that Bruce was in a prison far away with a broken back. I never got the impression that either she or Bane ever expected to see Bruce back in Gotham ever again. They were planning to go back to the pit and kill him there. So there was no need for Miranda to keep the lie going for as long as she does. Nolan could have still played up the big twist of the pit arc, and revealed Miranda’s true identity, a little earlier in the film. Again these are just nitpicks in an otherwise well done film.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

After listening to the discussion of Breaking Bad, I’ve decided to stop procrastinating and start watching the series.

Hopefully it goes better than the The Wire, of which I’ve only watched the first two episodes.

CS
Guest

I am currently four episodes into season 4 of Breaking Bad. I agree it is one of the better shows on television right now. I definitely think you really should give The Wire another go though. That show was truly something special, plus it really picks up after the first two episodes.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

I watched a whole season of The Wire, and I’d like to watch the rest, but I’d have to rewatch that first season again, I think. I had trouble following it at the time, probably because my attention span is crap sometimes.

Jonathan
Guest

Be patient with Breaking Bad, that’s all. Trust me, it’s worth it.

Sean Kelly
Guest

I did an IMDb check and it doesn’t look like Aubrey Plaza had any major roles prior to Parks & Rec (though she had a supporting role in Funny People shortly after the show debuted)

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

She’s also in Mystery Team, the Derrick Comedy movie, but I wasn’t sure while talking whether that came out before Parks & Rec or after. I certainly saw Parks & Rec first, because when I saw Mystery Team I was all “ooh, yay, Aubrey Plaza!”

Cody Lang
Guest

Slight correction to the show. Rum Diary is not a prequel to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Rum Diary is a piece of fiction based on Thompson’s experience in Peurto Rico. Thompson denies that the book is autobiographical. So technically Johnny Depp is not playing the same character as the one in Fear and Loathing.

The film changed the plot to the book a fair bit, and not for the better.

Great show guys. Love the Breaking Bad talk.

Cody Lang
Guest

I’d like to hear this rendition.

Rick Vance
Guest

Scattering of thoughts about Rises in relation to the discussion before I see it in IMAX later today.

-That scene you guys loved between the cops is one of the direct quotes from arguably the greatest Batman comic ever made,comment image

-The Ra’s Al Ghul ghost was a fever dream so to me it made sense because it was Bruce’s subconscious putting the pieces together and then feeding it back to himself in a form he understood.

-I don’t think it would have been a good idea to condense the prison bits because its impact and his working through that is important.

-I never thought Blake was specifically going to be Robin or Nightwing because he was built in both personality and back story as a composite of all the characters who have been Robin and the name cemented that. He is just gonna be Batman, I mean the big story in DC comics 2 years ago was Bruce Wayne being ‘away’ and Dick Grayson taking over being Batmancomment image (that is Bruce’s kid (with Talia coincidentally) as Robin.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Yeah, I totally disagree with Andrew on that point as well. As a matter of fact, I wish the recuperation and prison should have been longer and more in-depth.

I think it would have been neat if he could have spent more time in the “dark” and gained some deeper insights; and perhaps perfect some new fighting style that would have helped him against Bane.

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Jericho Slim
Guest

I think that the criticism that Nolan can’t film action (fighting) is slightly off base.

I think that Nolan can film fighting clearly and easily when he wants to, as evidenced by TDKR and Inception, and also in the fight in Batman Begins, between Ra’s Al Ghul and Bruce on the frozen lake.

I just think that he chose to use quick cuts to convey the confusion and misdirection of Batman’s fighting style. This quick-cutting style is his version of shaky cam, in my opinion. That does make the action harder to follow (I didn’t mind it), but I think it’s a matter of director intent, not inability.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

I’ll have to rewatch the Batman Begins scene, because in general, I feel like Nolan has steadily gotten better, especially with Inception and TDKR. There’s not a single action or chase scene in The Dark Knight that I enjoy watching, though I will concede the final fight as Batman fights his way up the building to Joker is more watchable than the others.

I don’t disagree that the fast cutting and stuff is on purpose, and I don’t single Nolan out in particular from most other directors now – I don’t think there are very many directors working right now who can shoot action in a way that’s both exciting and spatially coherent. Because that’s my bigger issue than simply the fast cutting. The snow chase in Inception isn’t cut quickly nor shot close-up, but it’s impossible to tell (for me, anyway) how the different shots connect together spatially. There’s no reason for that scene to be incoherent (as you’re suggesting is the case with the Batman fight scenes), but it is, because I feel like Nolan (and most other current directors, let’s be fair), plans things on a shot by shot basis without mapping out how those shots fit together into a single whole.

It’s a nitpick, perhaps, and i know it doesn’t bother most people, because most people like the action in Nolan films, but it annoys the crap out of me and as soon as I can’t spatially orient myself in an action sequence, I tune out and just zone with my eyes glazed over until the fight is done, because it’s the visual equivalent of gibberish to me at that point.

Rick Vance
Guest

IFUCKINGMAX!!!!!

Jericho Slim
Guest

Next week – Step Up 4; the revolution will be televised! Instant classic! Well, not a classic, but still lots of fun.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Olympics question: Do Canadians usually root against the US? Just curious, although my guess would be yes.

Goon
Guest

Honest answer: Sometimes. For me personally it was often about media stuff rather than the usual nationalistic crap.

We hated on Michael Johnson since the US media decided suddenly that the 200m was more important than the 100m. I remember hating on Nancy Kerrigan because so much of a story was put around her, just media backlash crap growing up. I actually was rooting for Michael Phelps in 2008 and actually at work ended up making a graphic for the Canadian Press by my choice alone. When it was hockey of course we went crazy. Saying that, in general Canada doesn’t go crazy for the summer olympics for obvious reasons.

Generally though I think Canadians have also had a resentful beef with the USA for their coverage. Canadian coverage (when it was on CBC at least) was truly international, focusing on the best of the best and not just the local boys and hyping up our chances, whereas I found the US coverage often was not even live, and when it was it would just focus on US athletes only, cut out most of the rest even if it was truly great achievements.

Goon
Guest

I didnt’ watch the opening ceremonies, however my understanding is there was a tribute segment to the 7/7 victims, and NBC cut away for a Phelps interview:

NBC’s reason:
” “Our program is tailored for the U.S. television audience.”

DavidM
Guest

Emeli Sandé singing “Abide With Me” during the 7/7 tribute was the highlight among many mad highlights during the opening ceremony. That the US didn’t show it is final, immovable proof that Americans are the lowest fucking beasts that will ever exist.

Jonathan
Admin

Yeah, David, that’s a pretty absurd statement. Everybody knows NBC sucks. I mean, Jesus, have you seen The Voice? Don’t be an asshole and lump 300 million other Americans in with them.

Chris
Guest

Yes, but your still a Canadian so you lose.

Goon
Guest

Unless it’s a spelling bee. Then you’re fucked.

Chris
Guest

The US coverage probably feels one sided because we’re just better than everyone else. We cant help it. Also, I think I can speak for the US and the rest of the world when I say that Canada is the least important country in the world.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

*cough*Troll*cough*

Matt Gamble
Guest

It’s not trolling if its a fact.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Do you really want to start a Canada vs US flame war?

Cringe
Guest

Very true.

JB
Guest

WHAM! Go Chris Troll! Go Troll Kelly!! Trollfight! Yo Joe!

KeithTalent
Guest

The US Olympic coverage stinks, not sure how you guys stand it. At least with the Canadian coverage we get to wallow in our own crapulence as it’s actually happening and not several hours after we miss qualifying for yet another final.

Matt Gamble
Guest

Its always stunk. If you want to watch something that isn’t gymnastics, swimming, track & field or basketball you’re either out of luck or you have to watch it when it is actually being played, which is 3 am.

KeithTalent
Guest

Every Olympics I assume they are going to fix it and make things better since there is absolutely an appetite for all of the sporting events that are never generally televised. I actually ended up just installing ex pat shield to watch the BBC feed since everything is commercial free and uninterrupted (and replayable). Eventually all of the channels will figure out a way to deliver the content properly like that, hopefully it will be by the 2020 Olympics. 😀

Cringe
Guest

The Canadian coverage might be really good, but why would you put yourself through all that disappointment.

No offense

Sean Kelly
Guest

Unlike arrogant Americans, I don’t care if Canada gets a million medals. The fact that these athletes got into the Olympics is an achievement onto itself (I know that I’d never be able to do these things in a million years).

Sean Kelly
Guest

Plus, yesterday I saw a girl from Kazhakstan win gold in weightlifting. Was THAT on the American coverage?

Goon
Guest

I watch Olympics to see athletes doing weird shit I can’t do and usually isn’t on TV. I prefer the winter ones because that stuff tends to be crazier. If its a local guy, sure, great, but “disappointment” is never an issue.

This kind of post is what makes NBC delay their coverage, I bet. They want to see if the US wins so they can decide in advance what to cover in prime time and rake in some advertiser $$. Shitty.

Chris
Guest

What a loser mentality, you gotta love Canuks.

Goon
Guest

You act as if the two of us are competing. We’re watching.. other people.. run and swim.

I’ve got some news for you that they should have told you by pube-growing age: When the person carrying your country’s flag wins or loses, it doesn’t mean you’ve won or lost.

I can’t remember a single thing you’ve posted before this thread. This is the shit you care about?

Tiny penis alert everyone. Tiny penis.

Goon
Guest

This thread got all Youtube Comments. I feel as sad and empty as the front of Chris’ underpants.

Chris
Guest

Now that ive successfully irritated Goon and the rest of you 51st staters, I can go back to just reading reviews and listening to the podcasts.

Troll out!

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Someone needs to look at a map…..

Goon
Guest

“Now that ive successfully irritated Goon and the rest of you 51st staters”

Quitter. You’re the Sarah Palin of trolls.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

The Canadian coverage is still pretty international. I watched about four sports yesterday and not one of them (so far) featured a Canadian.

David Brook
Admin

Don’t you all get interactive options to watch whichever sport you want? Or are you just referring to the ‘main channel’ coverage? Our prime time BBC One coverage usually focusses on British athletes as well as the odd important international event (such as Michael Phelps going for record numbers of medals and Usain Bolt’s races), but we get the option to go to an interactive page and watch absolutely everything that is happening over 24 channels.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

David, only if you’re a cable subscriber. NBCOlympics.com has live streams and replays of every event, but you have to log in with credentials from your cable provider to access them. If you’re not a cable subscriber, you’re stuck with just whatever highlight videos NBC chooses to give you for free, just like you are when watching primetime highlight coverage.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

If I absolutely want to, CTV in Canada has released an app that features streams of the events (I prefer to watch them on TV – though I use the app to check the schedule)

David Brook
Admin

That’s crap – the good old BBC lets us watch absolutely everything for free! Mind you the games are over here which helps 🙂

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

I think NBCOlympics had full streams of everything for free last Olympics; I could be wrong though. Cable companies here are getting desperate, and trying to keep viewers however they can. It’s really annoying.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Ooooh, old school cable companies are gonna HATE that.

Sean Kelly
Guest

On hindsight, you probably shouldn’t have brought this topic up.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

“Olympics question: Do Canadians usually root against the US?”

Overall, I don’t think so. I think Canadians generally root for Canadian athletes and not against any one country. However, since Canada gets a lot of US news coverage, Canadians might be more familiar with US athletes and root for them if a Canadian isn’t in the competition.

That said, I agree with Goon that the whole thing is pointless. That just because some athlete who happens to be born on the same country that I am did great means nothing to me. However, it is a bit better than professional sports team where people cheer on their “local” team generally made up of athletes & managers from other cities.

In the end, I rather be outside playing a sport than watching someone else do so on tv. It’s like watching someone play a video game (perhaps really, really good at that video game) waiting for your turn that never comes up. Perhaps it might be interesting to see some moves that you could never pull off, but the whole thing gets boring fast to me.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

See the Louis CK bit on Civic Pride and Civic Rivalry, changed the word to patriotic and pretty much you’ve got your answer.

Jonathan
Guest

Speaking of, I’m seeing Louis in Cleveland on his very first show of his latest tour. PUMPED.

Liney
Guest

Just wanted to give a UK perspective on why Breaking Bad isn’t more widely watched here. Your theory about socialised health care was interesting, but the reality is much simpler: all the US shows that take off here tend to get shown either on one of the main domestic channels, or more recently on Sky Atlantic (which tends to show HBO shows now). So for instance both Mad Men and The Wire were shown on the BBC, and Game of Thrones is on Sky Atlantic.

Breaking Bad has received no exposure at all here. I only know about it because I listen to various US based podcasts. However, I’ve recommended it to a number of people, and they’re all now massive fans of the show. So people here who see it love it, but hardly anyone has heard of it.

Having said that, as you’d expect of something so good, it has built some momentum as a cult show. I see it mentioned on an almost daily basis in a feature in our Metro paper where celebrities pick their favourite shows and/or characters.

Goon
Guest

Here’s something better than whatever we were yapping about:

http://letterboxd.com/dirkhasselman/list/the-sentence/

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