Cinecast Episode 265 – Trash is Good

For you kids that aren’t into the whole brevity thing and love the normal Cinecast conversations that are lengthy enough to get you through a train ride halfway across Europe, you’re out of luck this week. Being that we’re knee-deep in Shinsedai Film Festival content and pre-production on a week long Christopher Nolan retrospective, we gotta keep things short. So it’s basically a shouting match about Oliver Stone’s newest film, Savages and then it’s adios. Come back next week and we should have a bit more content.

Please excuse the microphone malfunction (42:44) – the transition might seem a little jarring. Our apologies.

As always, feel free to join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

To download the show directly, paste the following URL into your favorite downloader:
http://rowthree.com/audio/cinecast_12/episode_265.mp3

 
 
Full show notes are under the seats…


  show content


  show content


  show content


IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– Shinsedai Film Festival coverage
– Christopher Nolan all next week on RowThree
Prometheus episode of Matt’s “Cabin in the Woods” podcast series


MAIN REVIEW:
Savages


DVDs/NETFLIX INSTANT NOW AVAILABLE:
Jandy’s DVD Triage


NEXT WEEK:
To Rome with Love
Bernie
Killer Joe


PRIVATE COMMENTS or QUESTIONS?
Leave your thoughts in the comment section below, or email us:
feedback@rowthree.com (general)
andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

FOLLOW US:
Andrew: Twitter, G+, Letterboxd
Kurt: Twitter, G+, Letterboxd
Matt: Twitter, LetterBoxd
RowThree: Twitter, G+, Letterboxd

 

Sort by:   newest | oldest | most voted
Cringe
Guest

Cant wait for the Nolan retrospective! I still need to watch Following, having never seen it before.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I watched it on Netflix last week. It’s quite rough around the edges, but it turned out to be very good.

Jericho Slim
Guest

I really liked Savages, but I found myself agreeing with Matt for most of the discussion about Stone’s intent. For example, I think that opening narration – including the “Wargasm” line – was very sincere. I have to admit though, Kurt’s views are always . . . interesting. He loves to go three, four levels deep.

That being said, I’m more like Andrew in that I don’t care what the director intent was (most of the time, anyway). I like this movie, though I really don’t know why. I agree with almost all of Matt’s criticisms, and I don’t like this movie ironically – I just like it.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Oh, and you guys have to go see Bernie in the theater if you still can – not that you have to see in in the theater, but you will regret it (some) if you don’t. Bernie is the one movie this year that can’t be oversold.

antho42
Guest

Kurt, are we going to get reviews of the books you read in your travel?

Matt Gamble
Guest

Yeah, I think Andrew is viewing the film the way the director intended, as a cool, gritty action film. And if people like it that way, fine. But Kurt’s perspective is once again “off the rails” as we say.

And I know Kurt and I talk about it more when Andrew’s mic breaks, but Stone really is kind of the cinematic equivalent of nails on chalkboard for me. No matter what the hell he is saying, it is a struggle for me not to be driven nuts by it. And as he’s gotten older its just seemed to have gotten worse, as he seems to either have lost the ability, or just doesn’t give a fuck, about trying to filter himself.

Kurt
Guest

This could happen next show…

The last two were China Mieville’s EMBASSY TOWN and Ernest Cline’s Ready Player One.

Jonathan
Guest

Loving the Goodfellas. As always, great work Andrew.

Kurt
Guest

But really, Gamble should have been Joe Pesci with all that yelling….remembering that Leathal Weapon 2, “They fuck you at the drive-thru” speech, that is often how Gamble yells…

Matt Gamble
Guest

Well, they do.

Jericho Slim
Guest

. . . And time slowly passes as we all await The Dark Knight Rises.

Rick Vance
Guest

Kurt and Andrew you guys sound like the friends I had in high school constantly trying to tell me that The BOONDOCK SAINTS was the COOL AND AWESOME.

Oliver Stone to me is Troy Duffy if he got to make more than 2 movies.

Matt Gamble
Guest

I’m relatively certain they both love Boondock Saints.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Heh. Not so much, Boondock Saints is pretty hollow filmmaking and simply isn’t at all fun, being obsessed with be ‘cool.’ but not pulling it off.

Savages (to me) was not obsessed with being cool. It was ironic and detached from the get go.

rot
Guest

Halfway through Savages review and not having seen it gotta think Gamble is right. Kurt and Andrew love Domino, if Savages is “great” in the way of Domino, then trash is garbage.

On Oliver Stone, I long ago went to a talk of his and it was framed as being about the movies of Oliver Stone along with his new book, and with the exception of the Q&A portion, he didn’t talk at all about movies, just the book. To me Oliver Stone and Michael Ruppert (of Collapse) are very similar characters, they both wrestle with their egos in trying to earnestly articulate a point. I see Stone as an auteur, he is repeatedly putting his voice in the mouths of characters, he wears his heart on his sleeve and most of the time his films suffer from it.

I think JFK is a fucking masterpiece but it does play as a conspiracy fever dream, which is in Stone’s wheelhouse and so works exceedingly well as that. Also just because he has an agenda, does not necessarily negate his agenda, I generally agree with his perspective on American politics. But he does have a feverish way of expressing it.

antho42
Guest

Oliver Stone is also a class A asshole, a la Michael Moore.

Jonathan
Guest

Moore may be an asshole, but his documentaries are entertaining as hell.

rot
Guest

It generally doesn’t matter to me if the filmmaker is an asshole if the film is any good. I think Tarantino is an asshole and has a self-aggrandized view of himself, but he still makes great films.

craig
Guest

You got to get your douchebag switch fixed