Cinecast Episode 253 – It’s not Trash. It’s Garbage.

Many of you know him as “Goon”, but illustrator/web designer/movie nerd, Corey Pierce of the Critical Mass Cast has parachuted into the Cinecast floating ever so gently down on the buoyancy of his love for Mirror Mirror and making the show one of epic length, even by Cinecast standards; we do not quite break the Cinecast record but we do come dangerously close. After a signature tangent on whether or not it is appropriate to applaud or boo after (or during) a film and comparing The Raid to both porn and “The Family Guy,” we tackle the glossy and relentless Indonesian action film in the context of how a movie can set its own terms, and either fail, succeed on those terms, or transcend them. Where does The Raid fall? You’ll have to listen.

We then move on to listener submitted home work and the glory (or lack thereof) of trash cinema. Going through the various assigned work reveals both enlightening and pandering to the ‘teachers,’ which underscores that our listeners do indeed take these homework assignments seriously. Bravo to you folks. The Watchlist rounds out the show and features a lengthy discussion of the Bully documentary, Eddie Murphy and racial/sexual epithets, JFK Conspiracy Books, American Presidents – right back to the founding fathers – fosters a wacky and over-simplified discussion of politics (Is there any other kind??!!) on both sides of the Canada/USA divide, studio Ghibli, giant gorillas and one-armed drummers. Yeah, the thing is over four hours. Enjoy…or endure! (Bend like a sapling in the wind, lest one break!)

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– Shout out to Patrick and Patrik from Sweden
– Row Three Mobile App
– Kurt’s kids continue their studio Ghibli marathon


MAIN REVIEWS:
Mirror Mirror
The Raid


GRADING HOMEWORK:
Rick Vance: Wild Zero
Sean Kelly (LetterBoxd): Crank, Smokin’ Aces, Shoot ‘Em Up
Nat Almirall (LetterBoxd:) The List of Ardian Messenger
Robert Reineke: Zombie
Steven Beckley: Who Can Kill a Child?
Lennart Andersson: The Honeymoon Killers
Ryan McNeil: Armageddon
Darryl Bowen: Troll 2, 5th Element

Corey: Showgirls
Kurt: Faster Pussycat, Kill! Kill!
Andrew: Desperado, From Dusk til Dawn

full list on LetterBoxd
full GPA spreadsheet for this semester


THE WATCH LIST:

Corey
Bully
Citizen Ruth
– various “Peanuts” specials
Trading Places
Into the Abyss

Kurt
Howl’s Moving Castle
– “JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” and “The Last Word”

Andrew
Alien/Aliens
– “John Adams”
King Kong (2005)
Classic Albums: Def Leppard “Hysteria”


DVDs/NETFLIX INSTANT NOW AVAILABLE:
Jandy’s DVD Triage


HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT:
send us your best example of NON-epic Fantasy films (listen to show for caveats, examples and exemptions)


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:
Corey’s musical mentions:
Foxy Shazam: “Unstoppable” YouTube
Mastodon: “Oblivion” YouTube
Sigh: “Amnesia” YouTube


NEXT WEEK:
American Reunion
Titanic (3D)?
Action Fest


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kurt@rowthree.com

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Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

While I have yet to begin listening, I would like to note how my homework submissions sometimes help me out when I can’t decide what film to put on.

Case in Point: I decided to re-watch CRANK last night and even wrote an updated review on Letterboxd – http://letterboxd.com/spkx/film/crank/

On a semi-related note, I consider this disappointed review I wrote for CRANK II (back when I was a film contributor for MONDOmagazine) one of the best things I’ve ever written – http://mondomagazine.net/2009/crank-high-voltage-reviewed-shockingly-mindless/

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Also, since Corey and Kurt’s praise has convinced me to give MIRROR, MIRROR a shot (plan on seeing it on Tuesday for my birthday), I’m skipping the discussion in the podcast (though I plan to go back to it after seeing the film).

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

A wise Choice. We spoil a lot of the film. This is our usual idiom though.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Now that I’ve seen MIRROR MIRROR yesterday, I am now finally listening to the discussion on the film.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I think I was at the same RAID screening as Corey (assuming this is the Toronto advanced screening at Scotiabank). Didn’t hear any dudes. Guess I had a good row. (though I do agree somewhat with the picture fuzziness)

I loved the film nonetheless.

Goon
Guest

I was there with the Film Junk dudes, and I think on their show they also commented on the film print and the ‘bro’ crowd.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I’m starting to think that the Scotiabank Theatre has horrible projection in general. Last week I saw WRATH OF THE TITANS there (in IMAX no less) and I noticed something off with the image (my guess is some idiot projectionist decided to stretch the image to fit the full screen, since I’m sure WRATH wasn’t filmed with IMAX cameras).

Matt Gamble
Guest

Their light dubbler was probably off, as that can cause the image to not be crisp. Happens when kids just slam the thing when moving it and it jostles the mirrors all about.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

OMG! Just did the ONCE comparison and noticed the (very obvious) photoshopping. Can’t believe I didn’t notice this before.

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Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I know that the comments are mostly me right now, but I couldn’t help but post this link in response to Kurt’s statement that Armageddon is garbage.

http://www.criterion.com/films/578-armageddon

Thank you. 😛

alechs
Guest

I am so glad that Criticalmasscast and Cinecast have positive reviews for Mirror Mirror. It was disappointing to see the general timid/lukewarm support for the film. I fully agree with Kurt that watching this film makes you come out feeling better.

Saoirse Ronan was originally casted as Snow White before Lily Collins. I am conflicted because I like Ronan but in hindsight I think it would have been really weird.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Goon,

I have to question your love for Speed Racer if you keep on comparing it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry movie to come out this year. )

Goon
Guest

I know I know. But I think it’s just a matter of two divisive movies that are goofy and/or earnest coming out around the same time.

Jericho Slim
Guest

🙂

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Final round of comments since I finished listening.

It’s a shame that Corey wasn’t too crazy about his re-watch of TRADING PLACES, since that’s one of my all-time favourite comedies.

A funny story I have in relation to the film is that the first time I saw the film was an edited for TV version, so I was quite shocked when I later saw the unedited version and all the gratuitous nudity that was present.

While there may be some story reason for Jamie Lee Curtis to take off her top twice (she was playing a prostitute after all), the fact that there are girls who take off their tops for no reason at all at a party is beyond logical.

Oh, and Kurt, Stockwell Day was on the ticket for the 2000 election. It was the first federal election I voted in, having turned 18 earlier that year.

Finally, GREAT clip at the end of the podcast. 🙂

Cringe
Guest

I’m going to have to back up Ryan on this one. No matter what time of the day it is, if I’m flipping around and land on Armageddon. I’ll watch it to the end.

Schizopolis
Guest

Kurt…my buddy, my pal…

Please share with us your list of filipino and pakistani cult films! 🙂

I gotta see these movies!

Kurt
Guest

Philippines: SILIP (1985) (http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2007/11/silip-dvd-review.php )

Pakistan: ADAM KHOR (aka Man Eater) (1991) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H11sBatAtYU)

ZIBAHKHANA (2007) (aka Hell’s Ground) – http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2007/07/fantasia-dispatch-3-hatchet-vs-zibahkhana-hells-ground.php

ZINDA LAASH (1967) (aka The Living Corpse) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9DBx71s2xc

Indonesia: Lady Terminator (1989) (http://youtu.be/YPvxzpyOP-8)

Schizopolis
Guest

Awesome! Already have Lady Terminator upon your recommendation. Once I get a hold of Silip, I’ll have the perfect excuse to get baked and watch a double feature!

Kurt
Guest

Keep in mind that SILIP is somewhere in the nexus between Art Film and Pink (porn) film, and Horror film. Watching it half-baked is really going to get inside your head. Be Warned.

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David Brook
Guest

My God. I need to see Adam Khor!

Ha, I picked up Lady Terminator a couple of months ago for £1. Haven’t seen it yet, but maybe I should 🙂

Kurt
Guest

It’s great trash, AND it is pretty darn good on the craft side of things. It’s fun to spot the James Cameron moments and separate them from the fact that there is almost the same story, but NO ACTUAL TIME PARADOX/TRAVEL in the plot. Baffling.

Kurt
Guest

I wish I had MONDO MACABRO (a gloriously awesome boutique UK DVD outfit for Euro and Asian trash cinema) demo-real for LOLLYWOOD (Pakistani) Horror films. I have it on DVD somewhere around here, and it’s a magnificent sizzle real, but it doesn’t seem to be up on Youtube or Vimeo, not the one I saw with the great music and sharp editing. I’ll dig around for my copy.

Kurt
Guest

My collection of MONDO MACABRO Clips was not the one shown at Fantasia in 2007 in front of Zibarkhana (and that particular sizzle reel was may favourite thing at Fantasia 2007), but I’ll clip out some of the goodies and re-edit it into something short and sweet. Look for it as a separate article on the main page…

Kurt
Guest
Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Saw Bully this afternoon, had plenty to say about it – http://www.skonmovies.com/2012/04/my-thoughts-on-bully.html

Bob
Guest

Normally I have little to nod my head in agreement when it comes to Kurt’s take on films, especially when it devolves into commentary about some rather naive concept of what the US is all about. That said, Kurt is spot on with his Bully commentary. I can assure you Kurt that it’s not only your school system there that has bullying as a top tier “subject”. It’s all over the US as well. I live in the midwest and there isn’t a week that goes by where one of my kids (one in Kindergarten and the other in 5th grade) doesn’t bring home a paper about bullying.

The documentary seems to be feeding into the frenzy rather than diving into a little examined topic. The topic is tiresome for anyone who has children today. It’s tragic what some kids go through as a result of bullying but this is not new, nor is it going unnoticed. In fact, I would argue that it’s getting the wrong response and bullies today find comfort in a fame obsessed society that puts bullies in the spotlight as villains. After all, it doesn’t matter why you’re famous, just that you are.

Kurt
Guest

Amen. Brother. Amen.

There is something that stinks about this doc. I smelled it when it played HotDocs in Toronto in 2011, and it stinks even worse with Harvey Weinstein peddling it like Fahrenheit 9/11 or on moral grounds or something.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

BULLY is not a bad film. In fact, I would say that it’s pretty competent for what it is, which is a mostly cinéma vérité look at various bullied kids and their parents.

However, they are making it seem like bullying can be stopped by just “taking a stand.” You know, bullies existed when I was a kid (I was bullied) and they will probably still be around when the kids featured in this film have kids. It’s not a problem that can easily be solved.

David Brook
Admin

Yeah, plus adults can be bullied as often as children. It’s just in some people’s nature to be a bully and that will never be stopped. You’ve just got to learn how to deal with it when it comes at you.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Props to Goon for discussing Showgirls. I didn’t send it for homework because I was sure someone else would. I absolutely love that movie, un-apologetically.

I do think that the basic script could be turned into a good movie by a great director, though I doubt I would love that movie as much as I love the one we have.

Rick Vance
Guest

Full stop.

Kurt did you call ALIEN sterile because that is ludicrous. That is a film with a throbbing continual pulse and is overflowing with musk and fluids and smoke and steam and grime and its gets down and dirty and is really a story all about body anxiety and fucking. It is the farthest thing from sterile that science fiction gets and especially compared to the sequels it blows them away in those regards as well.

Oh and I forgot to mention in my email but Wild Zero has the best use of ‘astral projection’ / ‘motivational ghost speech’ ever utilized in a movie.

Kurt
Guest

I cannot remember how (or even IF I used STERILE in reference to ALIEN). If I used STERILE, my guess was that it was in reference to that great one-two opening shot (the exterior space perspective pan across the planet immediately followed by the tracking through the corridors of the Nostromo before anyone wakes up from Cryo).

Also, the crazy amount of hand-held and otherwise VIDEO footage (monitors, and such) runs an excellent counter to all the body fluids and moisture on display.

Hans
Guest

Aqua.. satirical? No man! As a Scandinavian Aqua was not close to the art project Goon plays it out to be.

Goon
Guest

Here’s the Peanuts site I made reference to during the show, that removes the last frame from every strip:

http://3eanuts.com/

Rick Vance
Guest

I had previously avoided Alien 3 due to word of mouth but I watched it today on the talk you guys had about it and I am totally on Kurt’s side with that one now.

Also the Alien 3 cast destroys Aliens.

Jericho Slim
Guest

I liked Alien 3 better than Aliens the last time I watched them all. As a matter of fact, Aliens was my least favorite of all four of the movies.

Goon
Guest

So……

Showgirls 2 exists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLaf5yflcVE

rot
Guest

Just catching up to this episode now… Andrew: do not give Alien 3 another chance and especially not the ‘Fincher cut’ it is worse. At least the theatrical cut is shorter.

That is my public service for the day.

KeithTalent
Guest

Kurt is bang on with respect to Julia Roberts. I used to purposely stay up to watch her on things like David Letterman because she was so engaging, but I hated almost all of her film appearances until Duplicity came along (which is a movie I love). Kind of odd how that worked.

Oh and Sigh is freaking awesome. Love those guys. Goon you are officially the only other person I’ve heard that actually listens to and likes them.

Great show gents.

jason_w
Guest

will there be an episode this week?

Kurt
Guest

Due to festivals and other commitments, we won’t be recording this weeks cinecast until SUNDAY MORNING. So it should be up at the very tail end of this weekend.

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