Cinecast Episode 252 – Objectively Speaking

Super, extra special thanks to Patrick Ripoll of The Director’s Club Podcast for helping out with our spoiler(!) review of The Hunger Games in this episode. We get into a little bit of Ewan McGregor channeling Indiana Jones as he goes fly fishing and Kurt just reads books. We kick it old school this week though with a massive tangent right off the bat on the nature of the “it’s so bad it’s good” theory of many a cult film. Also the term, “objectively bad or good” has been kicked around lately on the site so we dive into that as well. In-house business doesn’t kick in until about the thirty minute mark, so you kind of know what you’re getting into here. Also special thanks to Jim Laczkowski (also of The Director’s Club Podcast) for providing us with this week’s opening theme music; Wayne Newton, eat your heart out! At any rate, enjoy the tangential David Lynch retrospective, the marvel of 80s robotics and of course quicksand in space.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

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MAIN REVIEWS:
The Hunger Games


OTHER REVIEW:
Salmon Fishing in the Yemen


GRADING HOMEWORK:
Darryl Bowen: Princess Bride and Neverending Story
Robert Reineke: Lawrence of Arabia
Sean Kelly (LetterBoxd): Lord of Illusions
Courtney Small: King Solomon’s Mines
Mike Rot: The Money Pit
Nat Almirall (LetterBoxd:) Blazing Saddles and The Hound of the Baskervilles (1988)
Rick Vance: Apocalypto
Miran Terzic: Woman in the Dunes
Steve Beckley: Flash Gordon (1980)
Jericho Slim: Krull and The Black Hole
Ryan McNeil: Supergirl
Andrew James: The Beastmaster
Kurt Halfyard: The Beastmaster

full list on LetterBoxd
full GPA spreadsheet for this semester


THE WATCH LIST:

Patrick
Eraserhead
Minority Report

Kurt
– “Chasm City” (book)

Andrew
Short Circuit 2
Pierrepoint


DVDs/NETFLIX INSTANT NOW AVAILABLE:
Jandy’s DVD Triage


HOMEWORK: Send us examples of your favorite cinematic trash (listen to show for more details/examples)


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:


NEXT WEEK:
The Raid: Redemption
Mirror Mirror
Wrath of the Titans


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Jericho Slim
Guest

Michael Mann: I agree exactly with Kurt on Mohicans and Miami Vice. I’ve never gotten the love for Mohicans.

I think doing Thief and Heat could be repetitive because Thief is obviously Mann’s first crack at Heat, down to a lot of the individual scenes. Then again, it might be awesome because it would be like a before and after, and you could see Mann’s maturity as a filmmaker. And possibly how film-making in general changed/matured between the 2 films.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Kurt, you totally nailed it with Mel Brooks and Rick Moranis. Though the best Rick Moranis movie is Little Shop of Horrors, even better than his performance in Ghostbusters. (And also an amazing cinematic parallel between Blazing Saddles and Woody Allen’s Bananas and Young Frankenstein with Sleeper). Might be something to do on The Movie Club Podcast.

Also, I’m offering an official Internet invitation to do a podcast with you on SCTV.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I may just take you up on this offer. I rewatched the SCTV-90 (NBC?) series a few years ago, and i’ve been meaning to go back and brush up on all the canadian seasons.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Canadian years of SCTV are the best. Sammy Maudin, William B Williams, Bobby Bitman and Skip are pure genius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN9u46QwxTA

Nat Almirall
Guest

And SCTV is the definitive satire on television, based on the definitive satire on radio, which is Bob & Ray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ktYwuw9Mnjo

Kurt
Guest

Glad to find another SCTV fans out there on the internets, Nat!

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Big, Big, Big fan of Little Shop of Horrors, Nat. LSoH was failed to be mentioned only because it is Moranis in ‘goofy-nerd’ mode which was sadly, as discussed, Moranis’ lot in cinematic life. Probably why he retired so early.

For the record, he is very solid in Ron Howard’s PARENTHOOD, where he also sings.

David Brook
Admin

Oh yes, LSoH is a childhood favourite of mine. I’ve been trying to talk my wife into it recently as I haven’t seen it in ages, but she doesn’t like the look of it. Madness!

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Glad to see a lot of Miami Vice (film) lovers in this forum. Kudos, folks!

David Brook
Admin

I didn’t like it πŸ™‚

Marina Antunes
Admin

I didn’t like it the first time I saw it but I’ve come to really enjoy it. It’s definitely grown on me over the years.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Listening to Andrew’s complaints about The Hunger Games, it’s obvious that they are nitpicks from someone who read the book and wanted more from the book in the film.

This is the exact reason why I often DON’T read books before seeing film adaptations (that and the fact that it takes me forever to read a novel). I prefer to judge the film as a movie and not an adaptation.

I didn’t read the book and I was able to understand perfectly fine what was going on. I didn’t need the extra exposition that probably would have made the movie 5 hours long.

Jericho Slim
Guest

My biggest HG complaint is like Andrew’s. I think the average HBO series (or movie) looks more cinematic than the Hunger Games. Everything aesthetically about the movie was just so bland.

This should improve with a bigger budget. I’m actually kinda looking forward to the second one, because this movie had so much unrealized potential.

Jericho Slim
Guest

By the way, my money was on “The Crying Game” as the song parody.

Cringe
Guest

Great job Jim, I’m right there with you on the “So bad it’s good” argument that so many cinephilies are on the opposing side. For the most part people just want to feel superior.

Patrick
Guest

Thanks, but I’m Patrick!

Cringe
Guest

My bad Patrick, I was reading the show notes while typing.

Robert Reineke
Guest

After the fact, I looked to see if one of Robert Altman’s Combat episodes featured quicksand. No such luck, although quicksand did appear in the series.

brittany
Guest

Andrew’s review of HG sounds just like the Potter and comic book fanboys bashing their films because it’s not the world they built up in their minds. Therefore it’s not the film makers fault for not reading your mind. If you don’t have the ability to separate the two, thats on you.

Antho42
Guest

Andrew, would you consider The Dark Kinght objectively good?

antho42
Guest

Kurt is turning into the JFK obsessive character from Richard Linklater’s Slacker:

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I had totally forgotten how damn observant and dryly hilarious SLACKER is. MUST revisit that one. That scene above is flat out fantastic.

rot
Guest

I revisited this last year, awesome movie.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

You can blame Mike Rot for planting that particular bug, subtly, over months…

rot
Guest

I am onto my fourth JFK related book for the year… two for the Warren Commission, one fiction, one against.

Tom Hanks is planning an HBO miniseries I think next year that is supposed to be the definitive counter to conspiracy theorists on the assassination, based on Bugliosi’s book (which I am about to read). It seems absurd to me, and I have heard Bugliosi debate points and he is terrible, but I am obsessive insofar as I really want to know so giving his book a shot. I already know he is big on ad hominem attacks, so far of what I have read all of the defenders of the Warren Commission are big on that, strange how relatively civil the conspiracy researchers are.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I read the recent Mark Lane book, “THE LAST WORD”, in a single Sunday Afternoon sitting. Wonderful read, and he has a crisp and distinct voice. But the monster book, which took over a month to read due to density (but also so much historical perspective) was Jim Douglass’s “JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE”

I’m wondering if Hanks and company will cease and desist on their series, as there are already threatened lawsuits (in particular, by Mr. Lane, due to defamation of character in the Bugliosi book). Reading Lane’s laundry-list of complaints and pointing out Bugliosi’s sloppy and overtly negligent research into “RECLAIMING HISTORY” is one of the chief pleasures of THE LAST WORD.

rot
Guest

Yeah I read Last Word a couple books ago too. It seems like more of a ‘best of’ litany of his past accomplishments but yes, the guy, especially when you hear him in debates, is incredibly persuasive, mostly because he narrows in on the facts and leaves speculation out. Last Word is not well-sourced, so it feels like him just reminiscing… it is the other stuff Plausible Denial and Rush to Judgment that seems to be his opus. The stuff about E Howard Hunt and the suit he won against him is fucking incredible… I plan to read Plausible Denial sometime just because it is so fascinating.

Bugliosi made a smaller version of his 1,300 page book, a mere 600 pages I think… I am about to read that one called “Four Days in November”.

Goon
Guest

I have the Criterion but havent rewatched it in the 5 years or so I’ve owned it. Bad Goon.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

You shall have to come over some day and watch it on my Home Theatre and make yourself a Better Goon.

Goon
Guest

Of all the words I’ve spilled on Hunger Games at this point, “Objectively” is the one that sticks. Okay, whatever πŸ˜› I’m looking forward to the review as I do my Wii fit for the evening.

I saw Mirror Mirror this evening. I may be the only one who loves it to death, but I am truly in love, it will be in my top 10 by end of year, and is just the kind of movie that whether or not I end up agreeing, want to put in front of Kurts eyes

Letterboxd: http://letterboxd.com/coreypierce/film/mirror-mirror-2012/

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

For some odd reason, the discussion about David Lynch has prompted me to link to the music video he directed for “Shot in the Back of the Head” by Moby – http://youtu.be/Q7zQlsLgYhg

Rick Vance
Guest

It is funny hearing you guys talk about the Harry Potter films because as the film series progressed away from Columbus they started getting real flack for not sticking to what was on the page from the crazy fans right up to the finale. Personally I can’t stand those people or that mindset which is also why the first two films are my least favorite in the series.

Now I am going to make a case as to why both Kurt & Andrew should only watch a single one of the films. Only watch the 5th film. The Order of Phoenix is the longest novel in the series, it is the shortest movie in the series and it is the last one that is self contained before the films really dive off into ramping up to the finale.

It is a debut theatrical direction job for David Yates and this thing is gorgeous. The cinematography is fantastic, the editing in this movie is unreal, the sets are amazing, the costume work is awesome the attentions to detail are great and character actor they have playing the ‘new’ teacher is Imelda Staunton and the movie is worth seeing alone for her performance. The best part is everything you need to know to watch this movie can be inferred through the film.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I personally believe that the first film is still the most stand-alone of the series. You could watch it and none of the others and still have a satisfying beginning, middle, and end.

Jericho Slim
Guest

For some reason, I re-watched the first Harry Potter film this weekend, and I liked it a little better. Everyone always kills Colombus, but I wonder how the source material for those first two films stack up with the others? He also obviously had the actors at the most inexperienced, and was also saddled with helping to build the world from scratch.

Not that I really care, but I was just thinking as I was watching the movie.

Rick Vance
Guest

Oh also the best singular example of camp I can think of is actually one that is very intentional too. The 60s Batman TV show.

Goon
Guest

Is “Rick More Anus” Kurt’s new “Benna Fleck”?

Jericho Slim
Guest

When I first started listening to Cinecast like years ago, Kurt used to drive me crazy with his pronunciations. Now, I have to admit, I look forward to them. Sometimes, when he pronounces a difficult word the same way that I pronounce it, I start to doubt myself.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

The homework’s not in the show notes. I had to wait until I heard it in the show before knowing what it was.

Rick Vance
Guest

Oh btw the bit in Apocalyto is different, the scene is right after he dives off the waterfall (that scene still blows my mind how they got those shots). He turns to run into the jungle and smack right into the pit, while the bad guys contemplate jumping off. He then covers himself in mud, and uses it as camouflage and to mislead people.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Another quicksand moment: Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. Saw it this morning while watching the movie for the first time.

Bowenarrow
Guest

@Kurt
When you started to describe Chasm City it reminded me of a book written in the 1950s by Alfred Bester called The Stars My Destination. It’s about a space marine who is on a dead ship. The main character is a space marine who has never had any drive or motivation to really do much of anything unless he’s been ordered to do something and even then it’s half assed. He’s to lazy to fix the ship and is fine with just dying. There’s a passing ship and he signals it to save him, but it just keeps going. This gives him the drive and motivation to fix the ship so he can go after the other ship and destroy it. I read it over ten years ago and really enjoyed it.

Speaking of books that you buy multiple copies of to hand out to people the first book of Dean Koontz that I read was Lightning and I’ve given copies of that to different people I know. It’s set it a world where Hitler has the use of time travel and he’s sending his SS into the future to find a way to win the war. One of his guys sees this girl in a wheel chair and falls in love with her and tries multiple times to get her out of the wheel chair, but fate keeps putting her back in it. The SS thinks he has alternate reasons for helping this girl so they try to kill him and he and the girl end up on the run from time traveling Nazis. I don’t know how you feel about Dean Koontz, but Lightning, Watchers, and Midnight were the first three books of his that I read and loved and then after that I was pretty much bored by his other books that I tried to read.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin
rot
Guest

Loved Koontz growing up, and Lightning, that is what it was called, reading King’s 11/22/63 I had that book stuck in my mind. Watchers is great, Tick Tock, Intensity, Twilight Eyes, … been meaning to go back and read another of his books.

bowenarrow
Guest

Have you seen any of the movies based on Dean Koontz books? None of them are good at all, except for Phantoms which I found to be fun (pre-reading the book). As much as I would love to see a movie based on the book Lightning I just fear it would be total crap just like all his other movies.

I mean they made four different movies based on the Watchers book and they all are so terrible.

rot
Guest

I liked Phantoms, should revisit. Something like Twilight Eyes is essentially They Live, not sure who came up with it first. Have not seen The Watchers, wasn’t Corey Haim? Yeah I am surprised more of his are not adapted, even Intensity, that would make for a pretty solid indie thriller.

Bowenarrow
Guest

I think Corey Haim is just in the first one out of the three or four Watchers movies. I haven’t read Demon Seed, but I keep meaning to add the movie to my Netflix que along with re-watching 1995s Hideaway with Jeff Goldblum and Alicia Silverstone.

Phantoms, the first Watchers, and Servants of Twilight are streaming.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Affleck was da bomb in Phantoms! Yo! πŸ˜›

Jericho Slim
Guest

Niiiice!!

rot
Guest

tangential to this, in that both has Liev Schreiber in them, I recently rewatched Sphere and that holds up surprisingly well and is also a decent adaptation, albeit of a Crichton novel.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I’ve never seen SPHERE, but I do remember it being massively crapped upon, quite hard, on its initial release.

(As most interesting sci-fi pieces are…)

rot
Guest

Did you read the novel, Sphere? It is the closest adaptation of a Crichton novel I know of. It is like a mix of The Abyss and Alien… like I said, surprisingly holds up. It ain’t no Congo

Goon
Guest

Its 2:30 am and we only now just finished recording. The new Cinecast is 4+ hours

Villains never sleep

bowenarrow
Guest

sweet Odin’s raven

bowenarrow
Guest

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57408713-76/navy-sets-sail-with-robotics-lab/

It’s only a matter of time before Gene Simmons gets ahold of this tech and creates his killer robot spiders

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