Cinecast Episode 244 – Of Muscles and Men

We’re going to spoil the shit out of Liam Neeson in The Grey this week. So I hope you’ve seen the film or don’t care about that sort of thing before listening. Right along with our “punch nature in the face” review, we’ve got a brand new top 5 list to go over that deals with manliness in cinema. Not entirely sure what that means to everyone out there, but Kurt and Andrew each give their take on the matter. A smaller watch list this week since we’re recording so close to last week’s episode, but there a bit in here to chew on for sure – including Kurt finally hitting up Joe Wright and his heavy melodrama, Atonement. That should be worth your price of admission right there. We’ve also brought back the homework assignment segment to the show and there may be rewards for those who complete their coursework, so be sure to listen for that. So sit back and enjoy the spirited festivities.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– Jandy Stone Hardesty on The Demented Podcast
(L.A. Confidential and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang)
– Homework assignments are back! (see show notes further down the page)
Letterboxd.com
– – (Andrew’s profile)
– – (Kurt’s profile)
– – (Cinecast profile)


MAIN REVIEWS:
The Grey


TOP 5 EXERCISES IN “MANLINESS”:

AndrewLetterboxd link
10) Predator
9) Desperado
8 ) Braveheart
7) Saving Private Ryan
6) Jaws

5) Romancing the Stone
4) Bridge on the River Kwai
3) Shawshank Redemption
2) Fight Club
1) Bull Durham

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5) Predator
4) Glengarry Glen Ross
3) Heat
2) The Thing
1) Jaws & Master & Commander


THE WATCH LIST:

Andrew
A Single Man

Kurt
Ferat Vampire
Atonement


HOMEWORK:
email me with your favorite “jazzed” up” period piece. Listen to this episode for more details and examples.


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:


NEXT WEEK:
A Separation
Star Wars: Episode I (3D)
Chronicle
Safe House
The Innkeepers
Kill List


PRIVATE COMMENTS or QUESTIONS?
Leave your thoughts in the comment section below, or email us:
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Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I`m glad I`m not the only the one who thought that THE GREY was trying to emulate Terrance Mallick in some parts. 😛

In my opinion, I liked Liam Neeson`s performance, but the film as a whole was underwhelming.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Oh, and I just watched a, badly, bootlegged version of the post-credits scene. Nothing spectacular.

Gomez
Guest

Kurt, your The Grey review is spot on. Couldn’t explained it better myself. Really enjoyed the movie.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Grazzi!

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Since I was also at the screening of Ferat Vampire (I actually happened to be sitting right in front of Kurt), I thought would chime in a bit on the film.

I watched the film from a “So Bad, It’s Good” perspective. Immediately after the screening, I tweeted that it was one of the best unintentional comedies I’ve seen.

I agree with much of the stuff that Kurt said about the film, however I just ended up being incredibly entertained by how bad it was. I couldn’t help but laugh when the camera panned to a door opening (with sinister music playing) and behind the door is an old woman in a wheelchair.

Also, any discussion of this film cannot be complete without mentioning the very random scene in which an old woman crossing the street freezes in fright when the light changes and ends up getting run over.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I forgot about that scene, but it was pretty well staged.

As I said in the show, I think the director had plotted out all the satirical elements and societal commentary, but forgot you’ve got to actually glue them together with a film.

We’ll get into this again with Richard Kelly’s SOUTHLAND TALES in a couple weeks.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I’ll look forward to that. I actually quite like Southland Tales. Shame it never received a theatrical release in Toronto.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

We are a lonely Breed. I was trying to get the Toronto Underground Cinema to bring Southland Tales and was willing to defend it for the “Defending the Indefensible” series, but Sony wouldn’t ship them up a print (or it was far too costly…)

Alas.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Hmm….It’s mostly me doing comments so far. 😛

Anyways, I wanted to say one something about Trauma, which I saw at (my second) TIFF in 2004: It’s definitely a different type of role for Colin Firth and I wasn’t expecting the film to be as dark and disturbing as it turned out to be.

I remember heading to the closest bar after the screening, so I could just make myself feel better after essentially actually being traumatized by the film.

CS
Guest

I hated, and I mean hated, Trauma. I got suckered into getting tickets at TIFF because two of my friends, like most women it seems, love Colin Firth. Even they admitted afterwards that seeing Firth in person was not worth the painful experience of sitting through Trauma. The fact that Mena Suvari was the main female lead should have been an indicator to us that the film was going to be bad.

Fortunately, a few years later, his work in Michael Winterbottom’s Genova restored our overall faith in Firth films selected for TIFF.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I was a fan of the Winterbottom: http://www.rowthree.com/tiff/tiff-review-genova/

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I actually like Mena Suvari (saw her live at TIFF for The Dog Problem in 2006).

My main issue with Trauma was its VERY dark and disturbing ending that I should have saw coming but didn’t. Like I said, it left me shaken.

Schizopolis
Guest

Kevin Costner is Andrew’s manliest man in film?? Wow, now I believe him when he says he wants to f**k Ryan Gosling. I don’t know how else to say this…but, Costner is the biggest phony when it comes to masculinity on screen. He telegraphs everything. Any scene where Costner “tries” to show vulnerability while fighting his own manhood, which is every movie he’s in…just makes me puke! He outright admitted that he rips off Steve McQueen and even starred in The Bodyguard, which was specifically written for McQueen. So my # 1 manly movie would obviously be Bullitt. Then Heat/Thief, Le Samourai, Mad Max 2 (aka The Road Warrior) and Spartan. Honorable mention, Yojimbo/Sanjuro and The Wild Bunch. And check out the McQueen TV documentary in the Bullitt special features DVD…it’s awesome.

Costner…really?? If you compare Waterworld and The Road Warrior, Costner and Gibson are essentially playing the same character in the same movie and Gibson puts Costner to shame. Soo disappointed in Andrew lol

Jay C.
Guest

The Grey is a great genre movie that tries to elevate beyond its subject matter while still existing within the rules and tropes of its genre universe. I love it for that. It has the balls to stick to its premise and make use of this to enlighten (a la Dawn of the Dead, Night of the Living Dead, Starship Troopers, etc.) rather than using sci-fi/horror/adventure elements simply to sex up a shitty drama (Another Earth, Bellflower, Mr.Nobody).

Andrew: Regarding the dialogue…it sounds like your problem is less with the dialogue and more the characters. Of course these guys talk in cliche’s…they’re blue collar cons doing grunt work in Alaska. I wouldn’t expect any more than that.

This is one of the best Liam Neeson performances in a LONG time.

To me, Carnahan seems to be drawing more from Christopher Nolan rather than Terrence Malick. The childhood flashbacks reminded me of Batman Begins.

Finally, THE ENDING RULES.

Jericho Slim
Guest

Carnahan did a really good job, but I think your boy J.C. would have knocked this outta the park back in the day. I think he would have used some animatronic for the close-ups, but would have relied more on real dogs (that could have been wolfed up) without the crutch of the CGI.

Jay C.
Guest

Only because he wouldn’t have a choice. I guarantee if he made it today, the wolves would still be CG.

I’m in total agreement that CG is too often used as a crutch. However, there are times in which it’s an appropriate tool. I don’t think Carnahan is guilty of abusing his CG privileges with The Grey.

Jonathan
Admin

I had little interest in The Grey outside of Liam (even as an early fan of Carnahan), but I watched it tonight and was pleasantly surprised. I’m with Jay C. on this all of the way. I had a hell of a great time watching this.

Jonathan
Admin

Also, watching this, I’m reminded of Aldo Leopold’s “Thinking Like a Mountain,” in which he concluded after killing his first wolf:

We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes – something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters’ paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view. … I now suspect that just as a deer herd lives in mortal fear of its wolves, so does a mountain live in mortal fear of its deer.

Kurt
Guest

Jay, agreed on all counts (other than your knocking of Mr.Nobody, AnotherEarth, Bellflower, all have their place on the other side of the genre coin)…

Maybe Joe Carnahan should have been to go-to guy to make a prequel/sequel/equel of THE THING…

Jay C.
Guest

Kurt, I can’t post on Row Three without knocking Another Earth, Mr.Nobody and Bellflower.

And yes, Carnahan would’ve been great for The Thing.

Marina
Guest

Jesus Christ. Ferat Vampire looks awesome.

Kurt
Guest

Alas, it is not.

Jay C.
Guest

Kurt: Regarding the titles in Letterboxd…I think you’re speaking too soon when saying their database is rooted in mainstream American films. I follow quite a few people who have a fairly eclectic selection of “watches” that are all over the place. All of which have fancy poster images. Also, if a title doesn’t appear, you can enter it into the database fairly easily. I’ve already done this for ‘A Married Couple’.

As Andrew said though, be aware that many foreign films are listed under their original language titles.

Kurt
Guest

Oh, I expect it to improve. I was talking to the LetterBoxd folks, and they’re certainly working like demons to make it better. They just cannot afford the IMDb API at the moment.

Jonathan Hardesty
Guest

Heck, Letterboxd should collaborate with Flickchart, which is pretty much where I go to in place of IMDB these days. With their powers combined they could be THE ULTIMATE one-stop shop for film documentation and ranking!

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I signed up for the waiting list to join LetterBoxd. Only time will tell if it’s a site I will actually use or if it’s another site that I join and eventually forget about (i.e. Flickchart and Flickpicks)

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I’m a member now. http://letterboxd.com/spkx/

Steven Landry
Guest

Psyched to see THE GREY, aka WOLFPUNCHER.

JUMPER… Hated it!

Homo-eroticism… keep it up.

🙂

Kurt
Guest

Can’t wait for THE GREY 2: Hazerection

Hans
Guest

Anyone have an Letterboxd invite to share?

Jandy Stone
Guest

I have a few invitations now…Hans, send me an email at jandy @ rowthree.com and I’ll send you one if you still need it.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Hans, I just sent one to the email you left with your comment. Forgot about those. 🙂

Hans
Guest

Thanks a million Jandy! 🙂

Kasper
Guest

If anybody needs an invitation, I have three in my e-mail to give out.

DavidM
Guest

I’d like an invite please, if you (or anyone else) still has one.

DavidM
Guest

uh, you might need my email address, I suppose:
fa2q @ talktalk.net

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

David, I just sent one your way.

DavidM
Guest

I’ve received it. Much thanks!

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Just sat down and Watched MASTER & COMMANDER with the boy and…

SUCCESS!

For most of the 2+ hour runtime that was a vigorously enraptured child – brimming with questions, etc.

The boy wanted a sequel when the H.M.S. Surprise can catch back up the Acheron again! (I attempted to explain the symbol that this sort of cyclical thing is the sad nature of war, but the old adage is true, Anti-War movies are a tough breed, because war is inherently exciting on screen…

Still, much food for thought. And all the Paul Bettany Science-Naturalist stuff in this film is magnificent and heady!

Jericho Slim
Guest

That Galapagos island doc from the BBC with Tilda Swinton narrating is a great companion piece to M&C. It looks great on blu-ray.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Huge thanks on this Jericho. I”m going to check that out for sure.

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