Mamo #231: Bane Says What?

The Boys of Mamo head to the multiplexes to take in the first six minutes of Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises, and on the way, chit-chat about annual critics’ lists, and Butt-Numb-A-Thon, and big burly men in masks with unintelligible voices. Sort of like us.

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Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Only a few minutes into listening to the podcast, but I wanted to make a comment about year-end lists.

I do a top ten list for my blog every year and I always do it the same way: 1) I wait until the year is OVER, 2) I audit my IMDB ratings for the year (I rate every film I see) and look at the films I rated 9 or 10 (I always think carefully about my ratings), 3) I look at this list and rank the 10 films I liked the best. It’s probably a more honest list than anything the “serious” critics make.

As for The Artist, I saw the film today and I quite enjoyed it. I can say that it will probably be on my list when I make it, but I probably won’t put it at the top (though it will very likely be in the top 5).

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

So, after you mentioned that Brad Bird directed *batteries not included (a film I only seen once as a kid BTW), I looked it up on IMDB. It turns out, he DID write the film, but the director is Matthew Robbins.

Goon
Guest

I check out the critics lists and then regret it. it’s a bad state of affairs when they can’t get it any more right than the Oscars. Toronto Film Critics Association, I’m looking at you. You suck!

Kurt
Guest

Well the Toronto Critics Association got things right when they topped out their 2008 list with WENDY & LUCY.

Matt Price
Guest

So, you believe that this so-called “Matthew Robbins” is a real person, do you?

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

Goon
Guest

Everything Mamo said about the critics list in the latest ep is dead on.. your mix of blockbusters to prove a point, something nobody else will nominate to make a point, and then something to get attention, etc. etc. – Wendy and Lucy is good but I think that was a huge mistake. Uncle Boonmee being so close to winning last year is an even bigger one. That film is outright garbage.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Matthew Robbins is best known as a screenwriter, who has collaborated with Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, and Guillermo Del Toro – his most recent writing credit being Don’t Be Afraid of the Dark.

*batteries not included is probably his best-known directorial credit. His other films include Corvette Summer, Dragonslayer, The Legend of Billie Jean, and Bingo.

Gotta love IMDB and Wikipedia. 😛

rot
Guest

Haven’t listened to this, just want to second Kurt’s point, Wendy And Lucy deserves recognition

antho42
Guest

The dialogue (not Bane’s voice) is what most worries me about the Dark Knight Rises. I do not trust David S. Goyer, and dialogue is one of Nolan’s major weaknesses.

Hector
Guest

Antho42,

Goyer helped write the story in the first two. So why would you be worried now? Also Nolan wrote the dialogue for the interrogation scene in The Dark Knight, which arguably the best scene in either of the first two films.

Matthew Price
Guest

@Antho42 – I think we have to agree to disagree. In my estimation, Nolan possesses no “major weaknesses” as a filmmaker. While I haven’t loved everything he’s done, I can safely say I don’t think anyone else has the kind of control of the process that he has, with the exception of Fincher.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

It’s already been reported that Nolan has said he’s going to make adjustments in post-production to make Bane sound a bit more clearer. I’m glad to hear that it’s actually 6 minutes of footage rather than an extended trailer. The later I will avoid as there always have too many spoilers but footage from the beginning of the movie, I will go and see.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Arrrrgh! Thanks for the warning Matt Brown, Dark Knight Rises prologue is now off my list to see. Note that I’ve seen hardly any of the spy pictures. Even seeing a really cool shot can be really distracting when I eventually see the movie. If I’ve seen building X in a really cool explosion, then when building X in shown in the movie in a background shot, I then known that the action is going to lead to building X and ending in a cool explosion.

I completely realize that I’m a bit over the top in avoiding material for movies I want to see, but it’s ended up with me enjoying these movies a lot more the first time I see them, often going in just seeing a few still shots of the movie.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

As the Batman thingy is more or less a James Bond style pre-credit sequence, it is a pretty darn delightful way to tease the film. My Lord did it look expensive (in a good, good, good way!)

Robert Reineke
Guest

When Nolan starts writing and directing fully fleshed out, multi-dimensional female characters, then I think we can conclude that he has “no major weaknesses”. Or, if he manages to learn to consistently stick his humor. He’s obviously one of the most talented directors in the world, and with loads of potential too, but he still has strengths and weaknesses.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I assume you didn’t see Carrie-Anne Moss’ performance in Memento.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Damn. Where is the like button for the above comment!

(Also, Rebecca Hall in THE PRESTIGE.)

Robert Reineke
Guest

I think people confuse Nolan’s work with actors, which is very good even when the characterization is thin, with the idea that some of these characters are “multi-dimensional”. How many dimensions do the above examples really have? Rebecca Hall is particularly passive. Carrie Ann Moss isn’t, but the part is basically a femme fatale twist role and how much sense does it really make on her part?

I’ll admit, Nolan has a chance to change that with Catwoman.

Robert Reineke
Guest

Just to clarify my position, I think Nolan pretty clearly is interested in the male point of view and that’s reflected in his movies. I don’t believe any really pass the Bechdel test. Not that the Bechdel test is in inherent indicator of quality, but it points out areas where Nolan is at best unproven.

Again, I think Christopher Nolan is one of the best directors on the planet. Especially as he’s growing by leaps and bounds in his action chops and seems to be able to marry intelligence with big screen spectacle. But, I think it’s fair to call his directorial efforts male dominated and his attention to female characters hardly as consistent or as inspired.

Matt Gamble
Guest

He’s not particularly strong with the Smurfette principle or Women in a Fridge either. Which pretty much means he needs to start writing comics to really reach his full potential.

Robert Reineke
Guest

I know you’re being snarky, but judging from the fact that Nolan killed off the major female character of TDK and suicides of significant female characters in The Prestige and Inception serve the plot and character arcs, not to mention the plot is instigated in The Prestige by the death of a female character, apparently Nolan’s learned his Women in Fridges principles well.

I think it all comes down to whether or not you believe Nolan has another “Rachel Dawes” in him. I don’t think he’ll ever be Katie Holmes bad again, he has enough clout to get talented actresses now, but I don’t think he’s shown enough that we ought to automatically assume that his female characters will be as strong as his male characters. That may not be a “major weakness”, but I think it points to his limits at the moment. I’m not expecting a compelling love story out of him anytime soon or a gutbusting comedy.

Robert Reineke
Guest

Just to make my point clear, how many Nolan significant female characters fall outside the realm of
Type 1) Not to be trusted
Type 2) Naive, idealists, as opposed to the cynicism / experience of the male character, that may or may not be sacrificed to further the male character’s arc

I’m certainly expecting Marion Cotillard in The Dark Knight Rises to fall under Type 1. We’ll see if Catwoman falls in the other category or not. If not, which is certainly a possibility, I’ll certainly be willing to concede the point.

Matt Gamble
Guest

While my last line is totally snarky, Robert, I actually do agree with you quite a bit Robert. I just couldn’t resist such an easy shot at comics.

Robert Reineke
Guest

That shot at comics is totally appropriate.

I should say that I expect The Dark Knight Rises to be great. However, judging from Nolan’s track record, if it isn’t totally great I think Catwoman is likeliest to be the weak link. Hopefully Nolan is self aware enough not to try a flirtation scene between Bale with his affected gruff Batman voice and some sort of affected voice for Catwoman as well.

Matthew Fabb
Guest

Well, speaking of comics, the first two movies borrowed heavily on great existing source material, Batman: Year One, The Killing Joke and A Long Halloween. While I thought Batman Begins was good, it still came across to me across as poor man’s Batman: Year One. They recently did an animated Batman Year One, that personally I think is so much better than Batman Begins and I only wish Nolan stayed closer to the source material.

That said, Bane has never being much an interesting character, just being a bit more of a big thug. His most well known storyline Knightfall where Bane breaks Batman’s back and to me always seemed more of a gimmick event comic. I remember reading these comics as a kid and it’s what got me to stop reading Batman comics monthly as I found it so boring at the time.

So while I imagine Dark Knight Rises will be good, I’m expecting it to be the weakest of the Nolan’s 3 movies, without solid source material to borrow from.

Robert Reineke
Guest

I don’t think it’s beyond the realm of possibility of Nolan borrowing from The Dark Knight Returns with Bane as a stand-in for the Mutant Leader to an extent. Something like Bane detonating an EMP in Gotham with an army of followers and Batman having to return from a forced retirement isn’t beyond the realm of possibility.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

According to IMDB trivia, the film takes inspiration from “The Dark Knight Returns,” “Knightfall” (aka Bane’s main storyarc), and “No Man’s Land”

toro913
Guest

In case if people are still wondering what Bane said, here are the script pages of the plane sequence. http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-script-pages-reveal-banes-dialogue

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Not usually in favour of leaked scripts, but in this case it helped greatly.

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

I saw the proper Dark Knight Rises trailer today before Sherlock Holmes. It’s pretty much narrated by dialogue by Anne Hathaway and (in this brief context) I think she does a good job.

Also, the trailer gives away what will probably be one of the more impressive set pieces of the film (hate it when trailers do that)

Sean Patrick Kelly
Guest

Oh, I still couldn’t understand Bane’s one line in the trailer.

Marina
Guest

I saw the Prologue before MI4 and it was frustrating as hell not being able to make out what the hell Bane was saying. Eek!

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I thought the football field was pretty bad CGI, which is kinda weird considering this franchise (and director) more or less avoids that sort of thing…

Gord
Guest

Speaking of the football field, I recently went back and watch the Dark Knight, and the wide shot of the hospital being blown up kinda looks like shit too. IMO

Gord
Guest

Just when I think I can love Chris Nolan anymore, He drops this.

“Chris wants the audience to catch up and participate rather than push everything at them. He doesn’t dumb things down,” says one high-level exec, declining to be named. “You’ve got to pedal faster to keep up.”

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dark-knight-rises-christian-bale-batman-tom-hardy-bane-275489?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thr%2Fnews+%28The+Hollywood+Reporter+-+Top+Stories%29

Heidi
Guest

Just to give you some insight to Butt-numb-a-thon, it’s just 24hrs of films that Harry Knowles wants to watch with his friends. He’s not trying to impress anyone by getting sneak previews. I’ve been lucky enough to attend 11 times and I don’t keep going for the crazy premieres, no matter what we see it’s basically the best theatrical experience possible. I can only compare the BNAT crowd to the Midnight Madness audience. There is a reason you choose to see a Midnight Madness film at midnight at the Ryerson rather than during the day. The audience makes the film better. Same thing happens while watching Hugo with a bunch of film geeks than with people who turn on their cell phones and talk during the film and bring kids. But I do get that looking at the line-up you might not see what the big deal is. The highlights for me were a rare 35mm print of TRIP TO THE MOON with live organ (I did see it at the Lightbox but there was no sound) those 14 minutes alone were pretty amazing, it was Quint from AICN who brought THE HOBBIT trailer and we watched it 3 times in a row, JUST IMAGINE was an insane sci-fi musical from 1930, and I highly recommend THE GREY and CABIN IN THE WOODS (it’s best if you know as little as possible and avoid the trailer). If you see GHOST RIDER 2, go in with very low expecations and you just might have fun with it, same kind of low-budget insanity as CRANK.

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