Cinecast Episode 234 – High-Five, Movie. I’m outta here!

A high energy show, especially so considering the lack of Matt Gamble. Kurt and Andrew talk a little Tower Heist and the public whipping of Brett Ratner – due to more than one recent public faux pas and his penchant for being a douchebag in public. They then move into the meatier movie meal that is Martha Marcy May Marlene **SPOILER WARNING**. But wait, there is more: A new Top 5! Plus, the Watch List keeps the fires burning, all toasty-like, as Kurt gets really, really enthusiastic about big screen viewings of Kubrick and Gilliam films. There is a fair bit of disagreement about the pleasures of David Twohy’s Pitch Black. Also We Live in Public, Streets of Fire, From Dusk ‘Till Dawn (the proto-Grindhouse vampire flick), Super and Sexy Beast keep things lively and lengthy right to the very end. Have at ‘er, folks, she’s a good ‘un.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– Promo posters – thanks Ross! – everyone else, make your own for us to use!
Google+


MAIN REVIEWS:
Tower Heist
Martha Marcy May Marlene


TOP 5 FILMS BEGINNING WITH “M”:

Kurt
5) Magnolia
4) Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke)
3) McCabe and Mrs. Miller
2) Master and Commander
1) The Maltese Falcon

Andrew
5) Me and You and Everyone We Know
4) Magnolia
3) Miami Vice
2) Matrix
1) The Man from Earth


THE WATCH LIST:

 
 

Andrew
Streets of Fire
Sexy Beast
We Live in Public
Super
Pitch Black

Kurt
A Clockwork Orange
12 Monkeys
From Dusk til Dawn
– “Breaking Bad” (s2)


DVDs AND NETFLIX INSTANT NOW AVAILABLE:
Jandy’s DVD Triage [I haven’t had time this week to put this together; I’ll include the most relevant ones next week. Sorry! – Jandy]


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:
– Matthew Price’s Tower Heist review
– Kurt’s 30 Best Sci-Fi Movies of the Aughties post
– Mamo! Lightbox TIFF Lightbox Fall/Winter Programming Video
– Clockwork Orange homage trailer for Polanski’s Carnage
– Chris Marker’s La Jetée (aka, the “original” 12 Monkeys)


NEXT WEEK:
Attack the Block
Immortals


PRIVATE COMMENTS or QUESTIONS?
Leave your thoughts in the comment section below, or email us:
feedback@rowthree.com (general)
andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

 

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antho42
Guest

Have a VS segment.

antho42
Guest

Terry Gilliam (and Tim Burton) need to go back to using practical effects. Their auteur style has lost its charm with their overuse of GGI.

antho42
Guest

I like the heist genre deconstruction of the Sexy Beast. In most heist films, the conflict is in the heist, not in convincing people to do the heist.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Antho – Exactly! See also OCEANS 12.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Just looking over my collection, there’s The Man Who Wasn’t There (I don’t remember if Kurt mentioned this or if it was Miller’s Crossing); I think you said Manhattan; Murder on the Orient Express; Malcolm X; A Man for All Seasons; M. Hulot’s Holiday; Magnificent Ambersons and The Man Who Would Be King.

I haven’t seen it, but Manda Bala was very well received. I’m not a big fan of Murder By Death, but some people like it. Man Who Feel to Earth is always good if you want to see Rip Torn getting a blowjob. And, of course, Mr. Baseball

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I might have forgotten Miller’s Crossing, as it was on my original 5 list, but just edged out by Magnolia, I might have forgot to add it to the ‘big honorable mentions’ list I rhymed thru. GOOD CATCH, Nat.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Actually, I just relistened, and you did indeed mention Miller’s Crossing, so good on you.

By the way, have either of you ever read Pauline Kael’s review of Clockwork Orange? She, naturally, disliked it, but her beef was with the presentation of the violence, which I found very interesting–that is, her objection to the film seemed to be on a moral basis, and, though I ultimately disagree with her analysis, she nevertheless makes a lot of convincing points.

And I love the love that Master and Commander gets. My girlfriend just got a Blu-Ray player and I picked up a copy for her. She also revealed to me that she’s never seen an Indiana Jones film, so I’ll be interested to get her take on which is the better action film (then again, I don’t think she’ll trust my movie choices after I showed her Dear Zachary). I’m inclined to choose Raiders as the flat-out best action film ever made, but Master and Commander is very close. And I think of North By Northwest as an action film as well, so it’s right up there.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Oh, toss in Day of the Jackal into the action pantheon, too. Though it may be bordering on the thriller genre more, kind of like North By Northwest.

toro913
Guest

I would throw out Mulholland Dr., My Winnipeg, A Man Escaped, Mon Oncle, Mean Streets, My Night at Maud’s and Memento as ones that might make my list.

Rick Vance
Guest

Does Kurt’s voice go crazy for anyone else for two minutes during the Super talk? That was crazy.

Kurt
Guest

I was recording with a different computer for that episode, and for some reason the macbook kept auto-adjusting the volume and I was sort of fighting it by holding the slider down…some times it got away from me. So, no, Rick, you’re not going crazy.

Rick Vance
Guest

Goddamn last day of that Clockwork screening is tonight at 9 and I work at 11. Tempting to call in sick…….

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

You probably should, or at least book a couple hours off. The experience is pretty damn magnificent.

Rick Vance
Guest

I think I am gonna pass and then make sure to hit the 2001 stuff and the maybe some of the Gilliam stuff, looks like they are doing a Weekend dedicated to Python movies.

Kurt
Guest

This so rarely happens to me. I can’t even remember the last time.

Kurt
Guest

Every day? It begs the question on how the TWITTER network works. Regional service differences?

Jandy
Guest

Andrew, people aren’t interested because they choose services based on mass adoption rather than feature set. The thing is, some of us who like the feature set have to stick over there and encourage interaction even if it hasn’t achieved critical mass yet. I think the recent addition of business/organization pages will help. I’ve already seen a few bloggers who haven’t been active in the past working with their pages in the last few days. There is an active community there, it just may not be the same people we already know, yet at least. But I get tons of interaction from the tech/early adopter crowd who also happen to be into movies (or when I post about other things). My stream is very active – just not enough on movie stuff. Yet. 🙂

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

The thing is that Google+ may combine the aspects of Twitter and Facebook, but people have already planted their flags on Twitter & Facebook. There is nothing significantly ‘new’ enough about Google+ to get people to care, and I guess not enough people using Gmail as their primary email account to take advantage of the integration. As Jandy said, this has not achieved a critical mass.

A lot of people signed up when Google+ was launched, but the gravity well of their previous habits kept them on Twitter/Facebook.

Jandy
Guest

And before that, everyone was on MySpace. And before that, everyone was on Friendster, and before that everyone was on Livejournal. These things go in and out of fashion. Facebook and Twitter are pretty entrenched right now, but Google’s integration across the web is going to be huge. They’re very early in the cycle.

Rot
Guest

I have planted my flag in tumblr now, twitter was a fun ride and I guess Facebook had its day but I am full on enjoying tumblr now.

Bob Turnbull
Admin

Here’s an interesting take on why Google+ missed the boat…It has some very solid points to make, though they do seem to undervalue certain other aspects.

Kurt
Guest

I think this article nails where Google is going with Google+ it’s not so much a clone of Facebook, but the entire philosophy on how Google wants its user-base to interact with the internet:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/google-isnt-going-anywhere/

Goon
Guest

Even Googles own development team are getting caught posting that Google Plus is a failure. Google don’t understand social networking, and they don’t understand platforms.

All this and now they are doing Google Wallet. They want to be a bank too. Jesus fucking Christ. I don’t want Citibank to sell me a car, I don’t want GM to sell me a burger, and I don’t want Google selling me stuff it has no experience doing, all with the hidden agenda of just growing its search engine power.

And that’s all Google Plus is. it’s garbage.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Selling? Last time I checked Google+ was totally free. I don’t like everything about Google+, don’t take me for an uncritical apologist – I don’t like the real names policy, I don’t like that there’s no advanced search (yet), I don’t like that shares lack a permalink, I don’t like that organization pages don’t have multiple admin capabilities (yet), I don’t like that the mobile app doesn’t share links nicely (yet). But when I think “I want to share such and such a thought or picture or video” and I decide where to share it (and yes, I consciously think about it almost every time), 9 times out of 10, I’d rather share it on G+ than Facebook or Twitter, both because I like the way things display there and because I get better/higher quality/more interesting and varied interaction there. Twitter is too ADD for me, and Facebook is too friends-and-family.

If I had to pick one thing about G+ over Facebook or Twitter, though, it’s the responsiveness of the team. When was the last time I had a problem or question about Facebook as a product and got any response from the Facebook team? Never. Ever. There’s not even a way to contact Facebook directly to get help – there’s only an impersonal help forum that incredibly unhelpful. When was the last time I had a problem or question about Google+ and got a comment directly from a Googler on the project answering my question? Tuesday. That’s what I love about it.

I get that people might prefer other social nets for a variety of perfectly valid reasons, but I don’t get the hatred for G+, the almost DESIRE to see it fail. Personally, I think there’s room for more than one social network, and Google+ vs. Facebook is not a zero-sum game.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Selling in the internet world is ‘market share’ and ‘eyeballs on ads’

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

As if Facebook didn’t do the same exact thing.

rot
Guest

tumblr has no advertising… just saying 🙂

Jandy Stone
Guest

Mike, what’s your Tumblr URL? I like Tumblr a lot, I just struggle with what things to post there vs. making a full-on blog post vs. just posting directly on G+ or Facebook. It kind of falls through cracks for me, yet I find it a compelling offering, somehow. It, too, has a very active community.

re: advertising, I don’t give a rat’s ass. They’re giving it to me for free, I don’t care if there are ads, as long as they’re not popping up all over the screen and breaking my browser. If they tap into the stuff I publicly say I like to give me targeted ads, that’s fine, too. It really doesn’t matter to me, so arguments that focus on G+ and Facebook datamining for ad targeting mean nothing to me.

Maybe we just run in vastly different soc-net circles and my data sampling is skewed, but I could count the number of people I know who don’t use Gmail on one hand. G+ just seems like such a natural extension of how I use the internet.

rot
Guest

Thing is I have been using tumblr for two years without actually using it right. I just used it as a place to write, and dump stuff and I wasn’t aware of the community aspect. Now that I understand how it works, I am loving it. It is a different beast than blogs, there is no way to have a conversation thread like this, but for meeting new like-minded people and have conversations privately, it is great. And the exposure to new ideas, new stimuli, it is blowing my mind. I use twitter as a news aggregate, facebook to keep the tether of friendship with those unwilling to go elsewhere, Row Three to chew on movie discussion, but I live on tumblr now. I am at cleverbeast.tumblr.com Where you at Jandy?

rot
Guest

and Jandy, may I say the awe I have for Kurt during TIFF, this living on nothing but movies writing and socializing is the same awe I have with you and social networks… you are everywhere at the same time. You are Neo-ing this Matrix.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

My son is on tumblr. He focus is on worms. Seriously.

wormish.tumblr.com

Jandy Stone
Guest

Heh. I try out almost every social network, but I usually only ever have one “home,” and maybe a couple of outbuildings. I’ve tried being fully active on G+, Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr and FriendFeed all at the same time, and I just can’t do it, not with the level of interaction and cultivation that each one needs. Lately I’ve been trying to concentrate on commenting on blogs, and that takes up time as well.

My tumblr is at tumblr.the-frame.com, or faithx5.tumblr.com will get there, too. I go on a Tumblr-posting kick once in a while. 🙂

rot
Guest

I find myself writing more for tumblr than I did here… I think it has to do with the concept of micro-blogging, so it doesn’t seem like work, I don’t have to compose or pad what I write, I even link together tweets together, which is its own level of laziness, but my output is better there for some reason.

That said I have a monster post to unleash sometime soon. Monster. Feels like the best thing I have written about film, not sure if it fits here, not really a conversation piece, but should be on my tumblr by Monday.

Kurt
Guest

Anything fits here. Row Three is a catchall, Rot. Have at it. You’re writing is missed in these parts!

Jonathan Hardesty
Guest

I have a tumblr account, but I almost never use it to write any content (opting instead to use the social networks or my own blog), and I can’t say I read anything that’s posted on there either. I mostly check it out for the funny pictures or gifs that people post. And there’s not really a means to converse on there either other than quoting and making a new post. But that’s just a personal thing.

Rot
Guest

Actually you can ask people anything and in every case for me you get a response, I have long dialogues going on but they are not social threads, just private. Some add disqus comments too.

Blogs feel isolated in a way tumblr doesn’t because of its built in tag/feed system. Row Three grew organically and is a success story but for every R3 there are 20 blogs with no traffic, no comments and if these same people posted on tumblr they would get acknowledged I think.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

this episode offered a major disagreement (Streets of Fire) and one consistent nod in agreement (Martha Marcy May Marlene). Andrew made me sad, while Kurt made me applaud. Not sure why MMMM didn’t entirely work other than it was one of those “outside looking in” experiences for me in which I felt more detached than engaged.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

PS My website is a Tumblr: http://instantjim.com
PSS Our movie podcast is on Tumblr: http://directorsclubpodcast.com

Mason
Guest

I’ve been rating my movies on imdb since 2001, so it’s easy to order that list by letter too. My M-movies I scored a 10 are M, Millions, Million Dollar Baby, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Memento, and scored a 9: Major League, Miller’s Crossing, Manhattan, Mary and Max, Master and Commander, Midnight Cowboy, Milk, Minority Report, My Neighbor Totaro, Mystic River, and Munich.

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