Cinecast Episode 218 – Coked Out with a Shitty Comb Over

 
 
Matt Gamble returns to give us a breakdown on the newest D.C. property, Green Lantern. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. It being the halfway point of the year, we all take a at the state of the first 6 months and proffer up a top 5 films of 2011… so far. There is plenty of agreement and disagreement to be passed round the table, particularly on a certain ‘Killer Tire’ movie. After that it is a cornucopia of the latest theatrical screenings (Hammer Horror, quirky gay-father dramedy, and Supervisericide) before digging into Indiana Jones’ goofiest adventure, mid-1990s era action films (that as it turns out is not so nostalgic) and another movie that shall go unnamed (literally.) Oh yeah, and Cher. All of the usual DVD and Netflix stuff rounds out the show along with prognostication of Pixar’s next film being released this coming weekend: Cars 2. Sit back and enjoy this bed time story of sorts, with Andrew, Kurt, Matt and Sam.

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
– New High and Low Brow episode is posted!
– “What we Watched” Naming contest


BEST OF 2011 (so far):

Andrew
5) Cracks
4) Incendies
3) Stakeland
2) 13 Assassins
1) Midnight in Paris
– special mention: Meek’s Cutoff, The Troll Hunter

Kurt
5) A Lonely Place To Die
4) Hanna
3) Rango
2) Project Nim
1) Tree of Life
special mention: Meek’s Cutoff, Stakeland, 13 Assassins, Incendies (all seen in 2010)

Matt
5) Bridesmaids
4) Win Win
3) Cave of Forgotten Dreams (3D)
2) Rubber
1) Rango


MAIN REVIEWS:
Green Lantern
Beginners
Wakewood


SNEAK REVIEW:
Horrible Bosses (trailer)(Matt’s review)


WHAT ELSE WE WATCHED:

Matt
– “Defense series” at Trylon
– “True Blood” (s2,3)

Kurt
Temple of Doom
World on a Wire

Andrew
Burlesque
True Lies


DVD PICKS:

Kurt
– “Louie” (s1)
Kiss Me Deadly (Criterion)

Andrew
The Eagle
Unknown

Matt
Cedar Rapids
Four Rooms


OTHER DVDs NOW AVAILABLE:

Jandy’s DVD Triage


INSTANT WATCH NEW RELEASES/EXPIRING SOON:

Kurt
Way of the Gun (new)
Swimming Pool (expiring June 30)

Andrew
A Perfect World (expiring June 22)
Sunshine Cleaning (expiring June 24)

Matt
7 Up series (new)


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:
Bridesmaids outtakes
Smitten with The Whip (not mentioned explicitly in the show, but The Temple of Doom essay is so good (and informs many of Kurt’s talking points on the film) that it certainly bears mentioning.


NEXT WEEK:
Cars 2
Bad Teacher
Hobo with a Shotgun
City of Life and Death
Conan O’Brien Can’t Stop
The Trip


PRIVATE COMMENTS or QUESTIONS?
Leave your thoughts in the comment section below, or email us:
feedback@rowthree.com (general)
andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

 

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markusmaria
Guest

Nice artwork! This horrible movie is finally good for something

Nat Almirall
Guest

I haven’t seen it since the theater, but I recall rather liking Jurassic Park III — it felt like all the deleted scenes from the previous two.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Perhaps a rewatch/defense is in order.

Antho42
Guest

Man Bites Dog>>>> Rubber or Funny Games

markusmaria
Guest

I recently watched all 3 Jurassic Parks. There is nothing to defend about the third one.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Big fan of Man Bites Dog. Not sure if it surpasses Funny Games (either version), but I’ll accede that it is better than Rubber.

Gord
Guest

Kurt, you should check out The Town. Love hear your thoughts on it.

rot
Guest

I second Gord’s recommendation. Love The Town.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I am kinda sad that I missed it. I still have to finish Kubrick’s THE KILLING before I watch THE TOWN.

Henrik
Guest

I also really liked The Town. Ben Affleck is one of my favorite directors!

Matt Gamble
Guest

Jurassic Park 3 is borderline my favorite of the series. Certainly better than the brutal second film.

Gord
Guest

Agree. Though the first is my favorite, I really like part 3. Why it gets so much hate is beyond me. Part 2 is by far the worst of the series, they freaking turn it into a godzilla or king Kong movie. Also, with the exception of Wolfman (Which wasn’t his fault) I really enjoy Joe Johnston filmography.

Nat Almirall
Guest

As usual, Gamble’s right.

Kurt
Guest

I’ve never seen the third movie, but its got Pete Postlewaite in a major role. It can’t be all that bad.

Not a fan of Joe Johnston though, he really dropped the ball on making THE WOLFMAN the great movie it should have been (WWE Were-wolfs combined with Gothic drama? Really? Not Cool) October Sky and Rocketteer are good, but he seems to get worse (and more CGI driven) with every film. Hidalgo is a real mess as is the tonal unevenness in Wolfman. I’m seemingly the the only one (ok, Andrew too) who thinks Captain America looks like a disaster.

Jonathan
Admin

Weighing in: Jurassic Park III is awful. The Town is wonderful. And everyone needs to watch the first season of Louie, which is all on Netflix WATCH INSTANTLY. Season 2 starts tonight.

rot
Guest

top five of first half of 2011 for me:

1. Tree of Life
2. Incendies
3. The Sunset Limited
4. Jane Eyre
5. Hanna

In general I would say while the quantity of what I enjoyed in the first half of 2011 was less, my God the quality is unusually high relative to past years.

antho42
Guest

Jurassic Park I and II are horrible.

Matt Gamble
Guest

3 is goofy, exploitive fun. 2 is self-aggrandizing horseshit.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Never really been a fan of this franchise (as evidenced by my extreme lack of knowledge about which part PP was in), but the cast of the first one is pretty fun.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

From what I remember, I actually liked the whole Jurassic Park trilogy with Part II being my least favorite but honestly, I would have to rewatch all of them to be sure since it’s been years since I’ve seen any of them. I remember the scientists being idiots in Part II (keeping bloody clothes above a tent for the dinosaurs to sniff out?!) but I didn’t hate it either. Joe Johnston is a solid 3 stars out of 4 filmmaker. Nothing spectacular, but consistently entertaining in a summer blockbuster way. I really enjoyed October Sky & The Rocketeer, even if they weren’t groundbreaking in any way.

Also, you guys need to stop putting Rubber up on a pedestal. It’s not high art or brilliant satire… it’s JUST an absurdest comedy, and not a sociological critique/statement about filmmaking or the audience. Yes, the spectators exist within the movie, and there’s a prologue, but I don’t think the filmmakers set out to do anything but make the audience laugh at the premise and comment on that premise for the purposes of comedy. I’m 100% with Andrew: liked it especially for the first half hour, but it got pretty dull and unfunny after awhile. A very mediocre comedy is all Rubber is, guys. One of my friends found it to be much funnier than I did. I was checking my watch after awhile because the “meta-ness” was just dumb by the halfway point, and not as clever as the setup was.

On a more positive note, more reasons why Row Three is one of my favorite podcasts: mentions of The Last Starfighter AND Savannah Smiles. I watched both of those, along with Cloak & Dagger, repeatedly as a kid. They’re amongst my first obsessions when I was transitioning into a movie freak in 1985. Great episode.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Colin Covert on Cars Deux:

With “Cars 2,” Pixar goes somewhere new: the ditch.

Reprising its least-inspired effort (albeit one that has spawned a $2 billion aftermarket in toys, T-shirts and lunchboxes), the studio has rolled out an inferior encore. “Cars 2” is one “Cars” too many.

Is it awful? No, just humdrum. Does it look astonishing? Yes, but so do “Transformers” movies. Will children like it? Yes; they are children. Is it up to Pixar’s standards? It is so-so by DreamWorks’ standards.

Saddled with a hectic story, flat-lining character arcs and action sequences apparently conceived as levels for a video game, “Cars 2” is all motion and no emotion.

rot
Guest

I am so glad Hayden is not old enough to know what this is.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

Glad we agree on Rubber, Andrew. Most folks are in the hate-it or love-it camp on that one but I’m in the middle. Also I think my top 5 of 2011 so far is as follows but I need to go back and double check. I haven’t watched as much new stuff in theaters lately but this is all I got off the top of my head:

1. The Tree of Life
2. Midnight in Paris
3. 13 Assassins
4. Hanna
5. Win Win

Honorable Mentions: Rango, Cedar Rapids, Submarine

LeeH
Guest

Good show, always enjoy lists. Also always fun hearing about Kurt’s filmic adventures with his kids too.

My top 5 for the year so far (bearing in mind i’m in the UK) would be

The Fighter
13 Assassins
Confessions
Animal Kingdom
Neds

Honorable mentions: Incendies, Mammuth, 127 Hours and In a Better World

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

Also, I need someone to elaborate on the whole “hipster indie bullshit” genre of movies. I realize that after Garden State came out, a lot of folks started hating on movies that were aping the Rushmore sensibility or movies in which there’s a sad bastard who is saved by a beautiful quirky girl. It kinda bums me out that some movies that appeal to my sensibilities like Beginners seem to get written off, or pigeonholed.

I know some filmmakers utilize cutesy elements like a dog w/subtitles, or a hip Pitchfork-friendly soundtrack, and that can be considered pandering to the “Sundance” independent film crowd. But is that a bad thing to those who enjoy some of those elements? When the new Miranda July comes out, I’m already prepared for folks to complain about the cat narration but it seems like this is a continuing issue for a lot of film buffs. Maybe I could figure out how to write an article about this or something because a couple of podcasts I listen to and even a few of my friends often go “uuuuugh, another indie hipster bullshit movie” and I’m not quite sure I understand why that complaint exists. I mean, I guess if someone doesn’t find those kinds of movies to appeal to them aesthetically, I can understand that. But when I recommended Submarine to a few folks, I got responses like “That looks too precious or twee” or “That looks like it was made for hipsters.” I just need clarification because I was once again slapped in the face during this episode by that same complaint when you guys were discussing Beginners. It doesn’t fill me with anger, I’m just not quite clear on why some folks are labeling films like this. I for one was not bothered by the trailer for Beginners or the new Miranda July movie at all, but I know ALOT of film fans are genuinely annoyed by this style.

Nat Almirall
Guest

Now you’re ragging on (500) Days of Summer? That’s cold, dude. Real cold.

You can accuse Summer of employing every indie cliche ever written (shit, Zooey is her own chapter), but you can’t accuse it of being emotionally bankrupt. If anything, it elevates the cliches by using them to emphasize the emotional impact. We can argue the effectiveness, but I don’t think it’s trying to shy away from any heart or depth.

Kurt
Guest

People seemed to really like Wristcutters: A Love Story. Is it not in the ballpark of indie sad quirk?

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

500 Days of Summer is a good example because I kinda liked it but I came across more and more folks who definitely threw it under the bus for being “hip” and “cute” focusing on the fact that there’s a precocious girl and Regina Spektor songs, etc. Ever since that article regarding the “manic pixie dream girl” came out, there seemed to be a Zooey backlash of sorts and I had a few friends that hated 500 Days of Summer because it was placed in a category of “the hipster’s Annie Hall.” I will admit that Zooey’s new sitcom looks fucking horrible though.

I think there are definite archetypes that keep being reused for a reason, and not simply due to unoriginality. You kinda know what to expect when a sad guy (who happens to be an artist) meets a cute girl that loves the Smiths. I know that in the real world, I’m not going to fall madly in love with a girl if she acknowledges she loves the exact same things that I do (something High Fidelity does to a fault). I absolutely prefer when archetypes are underused to form unique characters and the filmmaker embraces originality is at the forefront, but there are times when I don’t mind the expected or conventional romantic comedy devices. The same with independent film. If you wanna throw in Zooey Deschanel saying how much she loves The Smiths, that’s not going to bother me if there’s a story or an actual character there. When I saw the trailer for Beginners, I said well, okay, there are things in there that will definitely appeal to me (father/son bonding, meet-cute romance, humanized pet). I just wonder why folks get so worked up when there are staples in a certain “type” of movie, especially for those out there that like that type of movie. I just don’t think it’s fair to belittle a film by pigeonholing it into a label like “hipster” or “twee” when I’m not even sure what those labels mean. I mean, we definitely label and categorize films into genres because we want to know what KIND of a movie it is.

By the way, Beginners’ director Mike Mills, is married to Miranda July so I guess that might explain how there is some stylistic overlap. I can certainly respect other people’s tastes. I have friends that love 500 Days of Summer and friends that hate it. Something like that doesn’t change my view of a critic or a devoted fan of film… it just feels like it undermines or insults the movie in some way. We come to expect certain familiarities in independent film, in the same way we’d expect familiarities in Westerns. I try to remain as open-minded about any type or genre even if it’s not something I consider to be my favorite genre (I know independent film isn’t a genre at all, but it’s a type of film I’m more excited over a summer blockbuster). I’d say the same to those who see the trailers for Beginners or Miranda July or Submarine. Prejudging is inevitable, but I just needed elaboration on why certain labels keep coming up in case I’m missing something 🙂 And I still think I can make arguments about why there are things about High Fidelity that bother me too so I’m sure it all comes down to taste.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

But I’m glad you articulated your thoughts very well Andrew, as expected. Emotional response is so personal. I never really felt like putting people (or characters i should say) into categories because they shop at a certain store, or look a certain way, or like certain things like the arts. I’m not sure if 500 Days of Summer was trying to be “cool with emotions” if it actually got to me, emotionally. Maybe there are things about a movie that one can roll their eyes at… because on a personal level, it simply isn’t their thing. What’s funny is that the more you described Beginners, the more I thought, “That sounds entertaining” rather than “That sounds so lame!”

Plus, Miranda July’s cat in her next movie has narration (instead of a dog with subtitles). Do I think these characteristics are up there in terms of being original or interesting with something like the kind of stuff that Malick does? Not at all. But I also don’t like to use certain derogatory words to describe these attributes, that can almost undermine the description or the film. I guess it’s also a matter of me comprehending the word “hipster” and not confusing it with “indie” or vice versa maybe as well. I was not at all offended by the way you reviewed Beginners… I just needed more feedback on that particular aspect is all.

Aaron
Guest

Andrew, I’m assuming you meant Bottle Shock instead of Bottle Rocket, right?

Also, just so you know, Jake Gyllenhaal is not in Jurassic Park. He does, however, have a small part in City Slickers.

Great show as always.

Kurt
Guest

Submarine is really quite good.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

Agreed Kurt. I’m excited to see it again. Not sure if it’ll make my year-end list, but I heard a few reviews from critics/colleagues who simply just said the director of Submarine should “cut a check to Wes Anderson.” I realize that a lot of filmmakers are influenced by other filmmakers, but it also kind of irks me that a lot of good movies get written off as copy cats. There are definitely elements/character-types in Submarine that have been utilized in arguably better movies, but I don’t see anything wrong with that, as long as the end result works for me!

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

“I think Beginners has just enough charm, melodrama, great performances and unpretentiousness mixed in with it’s “trying too hard cutesiness” to win me over.”

Which is the impression I got from the trailer Andrew, so I’m excited to see it. I actually didn’t hate Thumbsucker either – mainly for the section of the film that covers how teenagers are quickly diagnosed with ADHD. It wasn’t a great movie, but there were things about it I really liked.

schizopolis
Guest

Gamble definitely needs to re-visit Way of the Gun. I remember leaving the theater a bit disappointed at first coz it wasn’t the pulp movie it advertised. It started as pulp with that great opening scene with Sarah Silverman, but then changed tone quickly. Once this movie hit DVD, it became one of my favorites. It’s a western/psychological crime drama. Best line in any film was by Caan…”Karma is justice without the satisfaction. I don’t believe in justice”. Oh…and definitely watch the film with McQuarrie’s commentary.

Kurt
Guest

The GtFtS leader we used on last show (Sam Jackson), is from a very popular gag-toddler board-book, and the publisher talks in this video how piracy helped potentially raise sales for the book. An interesting video is here, the piracy stuff starts at about minute 2.

Ms Curious
Guest

@ Kurt, you should check out The Town. Love hear your thoughts on it.

I’m not Kurt, but hopefully my thoughts are of interest as well. I loved ‘The Town’

Watch it, watch it, watch it! It’s a must! Watch it and then watch it again!

Kurt Halfyard
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