Cinecast Episode 209 – Respect the Troll Canon

 
 
After a couple of lean and mean episodes, we bring the show back to is usual epic size and clock in a 3.5 hour conversation. This is due to a number of things. Everyone was able to catch Werner Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten Dreams and discussion about art, 3D, and Wernerisms ensue. Andrew has been taking in the Minneapolis/St. Paul International Film Festival and talks about boarding schools, Eva Green and troll hunting. Matt Gamble (Where the Long Tail Ends) returns after a week hiatus and reviews Scream 4 (*SPOILER HEAVY*) and this leads into a discussion of the whole Scream franchise but really, Kurt and Matt only want to talk about The People Under the Stairs. Then there is a fairly heated argument about Speed Racer and how it is kind of like Ronin Miller’s Crossing. Kurt gets angry. Matt gets condescending. (Things get even less civil later on when talking about Philip Ridley’s dark and unclassifiable fairy tale, Heartless.) Moving along, and putting arguing styles aside, we move into what we watched which includes couple of interesting documentaries, one of the super rich the other on mysterious street art. There is some talk about The Joneses and joy of David Duchovny’s self-caricature idiom, there is lots of worship of Christopher Lee and The Wicker Man. And, of course, the proverbial much, much more!

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!


 
 

 

 

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MAIN REVIEWS:
Cave of Forgotten Dreams
Scre4m (SPOILERS!)


MINNEAPOLIS ST. PAUL FILM FESTIVAL (M-SPIFF):
The Troll Hunter
Cracks


WHAT ELSE WE WATCHED:

Matt
The One Percent
The Joneses
Heartless
– “Game of Thrones”

Kurt
Resurrect Dead: The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles
The Wickerman
Tomorrow, When the War Began>


DVD PICKS:

Kurt
The Way Back
Somewhere

Andrew
Somewhere
Rabbit Hole

Matt
Ip Man 2
Short Circuit 2


INSTANT WATCH NEW RELEASES/EXPIRING SOON:

Kurt
The Fly (new)
Fear Me Not (new)

Matt
Titanic 2 (new)


OTHER DVDs NOW AVAILABLE:
The King’s Speech
The Way Back
Gulliver’s Travels
Kes
(The Criterion Collection) [Blu-ray] Sweetie (The Criterion Collection) [Blu-ray] Mortal Kombat [Blu-ray] Mortal Kombat: Annihilation [Blu-ray] Born to Raise Hell
The Last Legion
[Blu-ray] Tokyo Gore Police [Blu-ray] The Prophecy Triple Feature
Fubar: Balls to the Wall
Zombie Holocaust


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:
Inside in real life
Kurt’s kids’ review Speed Racer


NEXT WEEK:
13 Assassins


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Goon
Guest

the TUG print of Speed Racer… I disagree that it was ‘pristine’ – to me it was around 50-60% of how it should look. Not awful, but not that crisp. Comparably to the blu ray everything looked kind of rubbery and bleeding into each other. I think it actually of all scenes affects the racing scenes which Kurt didn’t like as much as other scenes. Perhaps that’s why. I don’t know.

I think beyond everything Speed Racer is a fantastic experiment with tone, being unapologetically goofy, campy, silly, cartoony, while being quite earnest in the way the family relate to each other. I do actually notice so many more little touches every time, like how they frame scenes with John Goodman and Emile Hirsch showing he has learned from how he dealt with Rex, etc.

I take umbrage with the idea that there’s nothing there, not because its so deep or anything, but because what they do with what they had to play with. To me they maximized the potential of that material, and the script and dialogue have a lot of attention to detail. I mean, when I hear week to week about obscure genre films being trumped up as these cool/fun/awesome pieces of work, it’s weird for me to hear that this film isn’t worth revisiting because there’s nothing to chew on, when visually, tonally, comedically, etc, there is enough to warrant endless screenings and being able to catch a new detail every time.

J.D
Guest

More spoilers!!!! not just one but 2 films!!! By the times that’s more than a hour to jumo over, there’s no point even dl’ing the f’n thing.

Usually a great podacst as well, just a shame to ruin it for the guys who haven’t watched the films spoilered 🙁

Goon
Guest

I still believe Speed Racer was greated with a lot of prejudice or cynicism and distrust upon its release because people were so (rightfully) pissed about the Matrix sequels. I think time is leveling the playing field out that now people can walk into this thing with less bias.

Matt Gamble
Guest

To me they maximized the potential of that material, and the script and dialogue have a lot of attention to detail.

A fair point and one I’d probably agree with. But the cartoon wasn’t particularly deep or all that interesting, and while the Wachowski’s clearly loved the source material I didn’t, making the adaptation really not all that interesting to me, no matter how much love is pumped into it.

Matt Gamble
Guest

More spoilers!!!! not just one but 2 films!!! By the times that’s more than a hour to jumo over, there’s no point even dl’ing the f’n thing.

If I cared about spoilers I’d be on the /Filmcast.

Gord
Guest

JD, are you new to the Cinecast? They been pretty upfront about spoilers from day one. If your looking for spoiler free discussion check out those annoying morons on Slashfilm.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Soooooooooo. Speed Racer, Enter The Void Double Bill or Speed Race, Scott Pilgrim Double Bill? Which is more appropriate?

Jandy
Guest

Speed Racer/Scott Pilgrim for me. I’m glad I saw Enter the Void once, but I don’t need to see it again. But both Speed and Scott I can watch over and over.

Goon
Guest

Speed and Scott have more in common and more similar sensibilities… like playing F-Zero and then playing Super Street Fighter II. Speed and Void is like playing F-Zero and then playing a bootleg version of Mario where you only P-Wing over every level, the pixels are all broken and every princess you rescue is blowing Bowser when you get there.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Agreed, GOON / JANDY.

Jim Laczkowski
Guest

I’d love to hear a Movie Club Podcast on both Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer, two films that I’ve seen once and liked but not eager to revisit. They were fun at the time I saw them, and I do want to rewatch them again, but I’m not in a hurry for either/or.

Jim L
Guest

Also, I lost my shit when Kurt said “oh fuck off” to Matt during this episode. But sadly, I’m with Matt on Heartless. That movie was lame as fuck. Nothing redeemable at all. I wish I had been painting my house when i watched it, and I’m a sucker for wussy melodrama usually.

Kurt
Guest

For what it’s worth to the haters, here is my HEARTLESS review from 2010’s Toronto After Dark Festival: http://www.rowthree.com/2010/08/23/toronto-after-dark-heartless-review/

Bob Turnbull
Admin

I’ll throw my hat in with Kurt (my own review at my blog). Sturgess was excellent in the film, Marsan was tons of fun (though there only briefly) and the story and imagery were dealt with in mostly subtle terms. I still haven’t tracked down Ridley’s other films, but hope to at some point.

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