Cinecast Episode 178 – Do not Bury the Good Stuff at the End!

 
Welcome to another episode of the Summer Blahs! The Other Guys fails to generate an impression or enthusiasm from Andrew or Kurt, although we talk about it at length. Tangents on Opening Credits and DVD Artwork. We talk a little Timur Bekmambetov, Parkour, Escape From New York-ish Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky and Cat-III HK Cinema, A Malaysian riff on Monty Python, surreal Hungarian hard science fiction, Terry Zwigoff and more. Enjoy!

As always, please join the conversation by leaving your own thoughts in the comment section below and again, thanks for listening!




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IN-HOUSE BUSINESS:
Congratulations to Djangoscud for winning the Brooklyn’s Finest DVD giveaway!


MAIN REVIEW:
The Other Guys (IMDb)


WHAT ELSE WE WATCHED:
Blood Car (Andrew’s review)
Night Watch (Andrew’s review)
Day Watch (Andrew’s review)
District B13
District 13: Ultimatum
“The Wright Stuff (Strikes Back)” program:
Flash Gordon
Riki-Oh The Story of Ricky
A couple belated Fantasia Titles:
Sell Out
1 (Kurt’s Review)


DVD PICK #1:
        Andrew:
The Joneses
(Andrew’s review)

       

Kurt:
Crumb [Criterion] (IMDb)

DVD PICK #2:
        Andrew:
In the Shadow of the Moon [Blu-ray] (Andrew’s review)

        Kurt:
Louie Bluie [Criterion] (IMDb)


OTHER DVDs NOW AVAILABLE:
Date Night
Triage
Death at a Funeral
Thorn in the Heart
Welcome

“Max Headroom” (Complete Series)
Vacation [Blu-ray] European Vacation [Blu-ray] The Deer Hunter [Blu-ray]


OTHER STUFF MENTIONED:
Toronto After Dark promo video:

 

The Art of the title awesome web site


NEXT WEEK:
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
The Expendables
Get Low


PRIVATE COMMENTS or QUESTIONS?
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andrew.james@rowthree.com
kurt@rowthree.com

 

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Kurt Halfyard
Admin

One theory on Mckay's Style:

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/2137

"For McKay's films specifically, he isn't just prompting us to laugh at a space potentially devoid of humor, but also laughing at a space where Will Ferrell (or a cohort) should be making a real, funny joke. Instead, he sort of ad-libs and we watch Ferrell fail or semi-fail to make a joke. That failure becomes the punchline. We watch the process of a comedian trying to be funny and failing, which is a sort-of-funny thing to watch."

kurt
Guest

Scary to think that GREEN HORNET is a Michel Gondry film. It looks more 'harmless' than outright bad.

Antho42
Guest

By having the soundtrack version be the default version, you are alienating new listeners. For the last third of the podcast, I struggled to keep up with the conversation. The sound levels are way off.

rot
Guest

I always prefer Apatow over McKay. I am pretty sure, Kurt, you said before you haven't seen any of Apatow's stuff, but I highly recommend Knocked Up, Funny People, and especially his tv show, Freaks And Geeks. Apatow doesn't amp it to 11, he allows characters to breathe a bit while still being funny. Freaks and Geeks is astoundingly good, put it ahead of Mad Man in your queue 🙂

kurt
Guest

I've seen some of Freaks & Geeks, I've seen 40 year old Virgin, Superbad/Adventureland (he's producer on these) and Pineapple Express (he's one of the key writers). I liked the fact that there is actually some drama in the Apatow films, and the comedy is a bit more 'gentle' and a bit less 'desperate/manic!' That being said, I love the humour of The Coens, The Pythons, etc. which can often be esoteric, crazy, desperate and manic.

Antho42
Guest

Speaking of Tarkovsky, has anyone seen Stalker. Boy … oh boy, it is a great film. It is one of the best, if not the best science fiction film I have ever seen. It covers topics ranging in the philosophical, spiritual, psychological, the political realm — you cannot get a more hard, scifi film. It does not hurt, that it has a gorgeous, experimental cinematography.

After watching the film, you will understand why Ingmar Bergman proclaimed Tarkowksy to be the greatest director that ever lived. It is been two years since I seen the film — I still constantly think about it.

Random footage from the film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBBR8Pn7eUQ&fe

rot
Guest

Funny People rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, not surprised you didn't like it Andrew. It made my top ten last year, I find it so damn watchable, and of all the Seth Rogen characters I find his Iris the most endearing.

Marc Saint-Cyr
Editor

Stalker is indeed one amazing film. I picked it up and revisited it about a month ago – there's nothing else quite like it.

kurt
Guest

Still kicking myself that I missed that 35mm Print of Stalker that toured some festivals and the cinematheque circuit about 3 years ago. Now there is a film that should be seen in a CINEMA.

Matt Gamble
Guest

Just to clarify, Freaks and Geeks is Paul Feig's baby. While Apatow did help produce it and cut his teeth directing on it, that show is all Feig. Undeclared is Apatow's show. I'd also agree that Freaks and Geeks should be watched before Mad Men, as its my all-time favorite show and could be finished in a weekend. There are more than a few episodes in that show's run that are as good as anything TV has ever seen.

Also, Stalker and Funny People are awesome.

rot
Guest

Apatow wrote a lot of the episodes too and you have much of the same Apatow crew, but yeah it was Feig mostly. Undeclared felt like it was trying to be too sitcom-y, world of difference between it and Freaks and Geeks.

Bob Turnbull
Admin

Though the first part of Funny People was the stronger section for sure, I didn't so much mind the latter part with its cliche scenarios for several reasons: 1) the characters had been established pretty strongly, so even if the situations were things I'd seen before, they were populated with characters I was interested in; 2) Eric Bana was terrific; 3) Bana's role wasn't actually as cliche as you might expect – like Aldous Snow in "Forgetting Sarah Marshall", they took the typical jackass guy you are supposed to hate and make him, well, likeable.

Not a perfect film and I admit I wanted it to be more like the opening section all the way through, but that's onviously not what Apatow wanted. I need a second viewing to see if the latter part holds up.

Haven't listened to the show yet as I want to see The Other Guys first. I love McKay's "Anchorman" and "Talladega Nights" for being really strong "stupid" comedies. Granted Ferrell may be one of the reasons, but I like how those films are essentially templates within which they improvise a great deal.

I like Apatow too though. However I think he's still weak at female characters and relies far too much on juvenile behaviour/jokes (some of which are funny, but it can get tiring and isn't always clever).

But yeah, Freaks And Geeks is excellent from any perspective. And Stalker was nowhere near what I expected and I was glad it was…As Kurt said, I'd love to see this on a big screen.

Jandy
Guest

I hated both Anchorman and Talladega Nights, so I'm guessing I should just skip The Other Guys. 🙂 I also didn't like Knocked Up, though I didn't mind Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Superbad so much. I love Freaks and Geeks. That's the only Apatow-related thing that I truly like, though. Not sure what that's about.

Matt Gamble
Guest

Apatow wrote a lot of the episodes too and you have much of the same Apatow crew, but yeah it was Feig mostly.

Apatow contributed to 6 or so. Feig wrote every single one. Apatow is certainly integral to the show, but it is Feig's show. And I agree on the difference between Undeclared and Freaks and Geeks, and I think a lot of that has more to do with that being Apatow taking the reigns on that show and still working on what kind of writer/director he was eventually going to be.

Yeah I love the part in Funny People when they have to drive to the airport as fast as possible just in the nick of time to stop…

Did you actually watch the movie? Because this never happened. At least not in the form you are portraying it as.

Also, Talladega Nights is awful. The Other Guys and Anchorman are good.

I also didn’t like Knocked Up, though I didn’t mind Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Superbad so much.

Jesus, everyone needs to stop listening to Halfyard when he states everything is Apatow's. Sarah Marshall is Jason Segel's baby, not Apatow's. He wrote it as its a semi-autobiographical account of his relationship with Linda Cardellini. Apatow just funded it. Same with Superbad, which was Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg's creation.

Please separate Apatow the producer from Apatow the director. Just because Apatow contributes money (or his name) to a project doesn't mean he actually has anything to do with the creative process on it.

Jandy Hardesty
Admin

Matt, I know Apatow only produced Sarah Marshall and Superbad. I didn't spell it out in my comment, but part of my underlying point, though I should have said it outright, is that Apatow-the-producer is slightly more palatable than Apatow-the-writer-director, but there isn't a single thing Apatow's touched (as writer, director, or producer) that I've actually liked except Freaks and Geeks, so I tend to steer away from anything that his name is on in any capacity. Just because he didn't actually write it doesn't mean there's no commonality between the stuff he produces – one commonality being, generally, I'm not a fan of the kind of thing that he either creates or funds.

rot
Guest

so we all agree Freaks and Geeks is awesome and Kurt should watch it, like right now.

As for Funny People, it actually pushes the boundaries of what this kind of film would typically do… Sandler's character is an asshole and he doesn't change much at all, in fact right after that whole airport scene you get a surprising amount of his assholeness, and where you expect a great bonding friendship you get them not talking to each other (granted the movie ends on a concessionary note in the very last scene). And Eric Bana is awesome.

Mark T
Guest

Hey Andrew, the music background is usually great. This time it's kind of repetitive, which wouldn't be bad if it was a little quieter. Almost the same level as your conversation, making your voices a grey fog of unclarity. Especially listening in an office or driving. Especially+ when the music has vocals. I'd say when mixing the music, when you think you've found the perfect level, drop it down a couple notches. I don't think you need much volume at all for it to come through.

rot
Guest

first 9 minutes of the pilot episode of Freaks and Geeks, as a teaser

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai1FHufz_HY

Love the credit sequence to this show.

Bob Turnbull
Admin

You were clear Jandy. Matt is just looking to pile on Kurt again. We all need a hobby. B-)

I knew it was Siegel's script and somewhat autobiographical, but hadn't realized it was based on his relationship to Cardellini. I'm not sure why I care, but for some reason I do…

I am curious why there seems to be a wave of dislike of Talledega Nights by those who liked Anchorman. The two don't feel radically different to me…

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

For those who like "Funny Bana" I highly recommend THE CASTLE (by the same Aussie filmmakers who did the excellent THE DISH). Bana has a small role in the film, but he is awesome and hilarious. This was made just before CHOPPER, and Bana breaking outside his native land. The actor has roots in standup and sketch comedy, so obviously he fits right in with the FUNNY PEOPLE cast.

Matt Gamble
Guest

one commonality being, generally, I’m not a fan of the kind of thing that he either creates or funds.

So you didn't like The Larry Sanders Show, The Ben Stiller Show or The Critic? Or even Funny or Die, The Cable Guy, Step Brothers or Walk Hard? I find that hard to believe.

As for Funny People, it actually pushes the boundaries of what this kind of film would typically do

Bingo.

Mike Rot
Member

Gamble and I are agreeing far too often lately, has Hell frozen over?

Jandy
Guest

Never watched most of those. I also dislike Ben Stiller (except in The Royal Tenenbaums) and Jim Carrey (except in Eternal Sunshine and The Truman Show). And I've not really liked anything Will Ferrell has done after SNL except possibly Stranger Than Fiction. So, yeah. I can't really opine on those since I haven't seen them, but the trailers and clips that I've seen weren't enough to make me want to see them or overcome my apathy toward their casts and creative team.

Mike Rot
Member

and except for Greenberg, right?

Jandy
Guest

As yet undetermined. It should be my next Netflix disc.

Mike Rot
Member

no, its the best film since Rachel Getting Married, actually.

Mike
Guest

I like how you added the backround music guys, but at times it does get a little loud.

Matt Gamble
Guest

no, its the best film since Rachel Getting Married, actually.

You're insane.

And the Universe returns to normal.

Antho42
Guest

And the Universe returns to normal.

Thank God, I was fearing the Apocalypse.

Arnold
Guest

Opening the show with Spartan!! Nicee! Just rewatched it last week for prolly the 20th time. One of my favorite spy movies of all time. I forgive the lame twist ending.

Arnold
Guest

Andrew…Michael Keaton has been wearing hairplugs, a weave or a piece for like 20 years! lol

Rusty James
Guest

Hey look! Rusty James is back!

Andrew:

"The Green Hornet with Seth Rogan and Cmdr. Sulu. Wow did that look like a turd! A little surprised I haven’t read or heard more about this movie from the fanboys around the net"

I tried explaining this to you once before; Green Hornet is not a character with much of a "fanboy" history. The premature online following behind stuff like Watchmen and Scott Pilgrim came from the love for the popular source material.

GH is not really analogous. The "source material" is a radio drama from the 1930's by the creator of the Lone Ranger (bonus fact. According to his back story GH is LR's great grandson or nephew or something). He's more akin to something like The Shadow or the The Phantom.

Of course the TV show is an important foot note for martial arts enthusiasts because it gave Bruce Lee his start. But I don't think any of of that amounts to much of a following.

Rusty James
Guest

But to answer your question. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the Green Hornet movie. There's some serious talent behind that movie. Gondry is one of my favorite directors working today, and I think his work is criminally misunderstood. I've consistently liked Seth Rogen's output as a writer and actor. As a producer he went out of his way to make sure an offbeat outside hollywood director was attached.

I don't necessarily disagree that the trailer looks more harmless than anything else (I don't think it looks terrible or like a "turd"). But as a film goer I'll always base my anticipation more on the talent involved than a trailer.

Antho42
Guest

Mini Spartan Review (Kurt's recommendation):

If Taken is the sex trafficking film for the average moviegoer, than Spartan is the one for the art house crowd. The former is a mindless, forgettable, and predictable blockbuster, while the former — with its' unconventional screenplay (Mamet is the man) — tests the audience to keep up with it. Simply put — unlike the mediocre film that is Taken — Spartan is a gem that should be seen.

The film does look like shit; it looks like a TV show. However, the direction is still top notch. But it is a David Mamet' film — even a homemade film with his screenplay, remains a must see.

Keep up informing the public of unappreciated/ forgotten gems, Cinecast/Rowthree/FilmJunk/MovieClubPodcast/WhereLongTailEnds. Popular, fanboy sites, such as Slashfilm, Aint it Cool News, and Firstshowing, sure aren't.

By the way,

A fat Val Kilmer>>>>>> Liam "Wooden" Liam Neeson.

Antho42
Guest

A similar film to Spartan (minimal exposition) is Mike Hodges' I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. My favorite British crime film from the last decade. Clive Owen delivers a James Bondesque performance.

As a film, it works better than Spartan — simply because it has better production value and it does not have far fetch plot problems.

kurt
Guest

I'm a fan of both of Hodges late-period crime noirs (both starring Clive Owen). I think Croupier is a bit more 'entertaining' than I'll Sleep When I'm Dead. But both are excellent (and underseen), I'll agree.

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