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Me
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Ive never seen the first episode of Lost. Whats on tv this week!?

Shelagh
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Good Mamo. I actually found that pretty much every question I ever had about what was going was explained in one episode or another. The difference is, is wasn't made into some big exposition hit-you-over-the-head-with-a-sledghammer scene, which was one of the good things about the show.

rot
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Like Matt Brown, I have been waiting for Lost to end to cancel my cable, tv outside of this show has been dead to me for quite some time.

Your podcast recap of the episode is just as frustrating as the finale, glossing over the mysteries 🙂 I agree somewhat with Shelagh that the reveals were staggered through this season so there wasn't going to be this point by point explanation in the finale. I can accept the Walt thing now, I do think they are leaving some things deliberately vague not because thats all there is to it (he has special powers) but because it leaves open any spin-offs they choose to do (rumor is a comic book). What I can't accept is that a further articulation of the loophole and the 'rules' was not made. That Ben was able to defy what was said in The Shape of Things to Come without any explanation of how that could occur, seems like a failure of writing. Its not enough to say its up to us to think about it, because they made such a point of the rules, it was their emphasis, and to have Widmore killed without the slightest bit of exposition of how all of a sudden that can be, just feels unsatisfying. The reveal I was looking for from the finale was not what the island is (I am fine with the Across the Sea info) but a delineation of the chess pieces, the rules of Jacob/MiB's game, and how Ben is a loophole.

I agree with Matt Price that they can say all they want that the character's were their chief interest, but they played the audience in all the interviews as if the mysteries were more important, and the promos were all about "all your questions will be answered". There is a bit of a bait and switch going on. In a way I am fine with that because I think it gives them room to expand the mythology in a spin-off, but those two questions above should have been answered (maybe they are there under the surface, I don't know). Also Carlton and Damon are on record as saying there is no purgatory, they are not dead, and dead is dead… but they were kind of disingenuous there. Also the story goes Jack wasn't supposed to last more than a couple episodes on the show, I believe that was bullshit clearly. subterfuge.

All that said, in the end I enjoyed the finale.

Andrew James
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Haven't listened to the show yet (will soon though, can't wait!), so not sure how spoilery you guys get. We also still have the season 6 LOST discussion over at our sister site, MorePop.rowthree.

tederick
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Pretty freakin' spoilery, given that the first words of the podcast are "spoiler alert." 🙂

rot
Guest

btw am I the only person that didn't see the after credits clip? Reading about it online, but I was there until the end and all I saw was the Bad Robot logo.

tederick
Guest

The after credits clip was reportedly a network add. It wasn't part of the show delivered by Bad Robot. I don't think we got it in Canada at all.

Andrew James
Admin

It was specifically mentioned by someone at our screening that we didn't get a Bad Robot logo at all. Just the footage of wreckage.

Jane
Guest

Tederick is correct. The wreckage scenes during the credits were not part of the show. See explanation here:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/

rot
Guest

maybe its a cheat, but I find it a great relief to have much of the show explained to me here (by one of the writers no less!): http://bit.ly/d9Jj2J

rot
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Ok I rewatched the finale and things make much more sense now… I think the problem with the finale is pacing, there is so much new information being given too quickly that many of us all end up going WTF by the end.

Outside of what the Lost writer above explained, what I noticed this time was that of the group that are connected in sideways world (like a Stephen King Ka-Tet) four of them are Sheperds, and this group is unique to Jack's perspective. They are there at the moment of his death in the bamboo field, or culminate in the death as a intermediary space between realms. Christian says something telling when he says they are not leaving, just moving on… 'moving on' implies (to me at least) they are to recur in some other form, not going to heaven and drink Pina Coladas for all of eternity, but, possibly returning to the cycle that appears to be rebooted on the island. I never noticed the first time that the white light fills up Jack after he inserts the cork, and he jumps to a different time (I know I am an idiot). This would seem to be like the time-jumping event that occurred when Locke pushed the donkey wheel, so at the very least Jack and the Aljira flight carried over.

The Aljira flight is a mirror reflection (a ying yang) of its arrival, (six people and the pilot Lapidas), it keeps a certain balance, like thermodynamics, same amount of energy added, leaves. I believe before Jack, a cycle was brought back together through the sacrifice of Christian (a story we are not given). When the casket arrives on the island the body has disappeared, and quite possibly this is the same thing that will happen to Jack in his death, he will vanish, become a whisperer. Or just reboot, eye open, memories erased, and start the whole loop over again. I just think that there is a sequence, with Christian passing on the torch to his son, and that in future iterations, either Aaron or Claire will step up and be the candidate to protect the island.

To break it down to basics, Jacob represents balance, and cyclical recurrence is 'progress' as he calls it. Flocke is the monkey wrench in this perfectly operating system, the threat of him leaving the island is the threat of the cycles ceasing, of an imbalance, in this case of good and evil in the world. The Others, Dharma, the Losties, when under Jacob's control are working in a cyclical fashion, when corrupted (like Ben) they are under Flocke's control. I am guessing Flocke made it possible for the Oceanic Six to leave (can't remember the details), and they realized they needed to return, Eloise helping them fulfill this cyclical balance (even though she will forever kill her own son).

Anyways thats what I have pieced together nearly a week after the finale. food for thought.

rot
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And stealing from Ross on Morepop thread, the numbers are iterations of these characters in this cycle. Its not always going to play out exactly the same with characters dying, with the need of some free will (its a chessboard with fixed rules, but the game is always a little different each time, and its Jacob's role to make sure there are no transgressions of the rules).

4 – Locke

8 – Reyes

15 – Ford

16 – Jarrah

23 – Shephard

42 – Kwon

those are the numbers for that particular iteration of the cycle, they would change according to who lives or dies and carries over to the next round of candidates. methinks.

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