Cinecast Episode 139a – Really Weird Ties

Episode 139a:
The most epic show in the history of the RowThree Cinecast. So epic in fact, that we decided to split it up into two parts. For this first installment, Matt Gamble is back in the fray and we review all manner of recent film including Soderbergh’s The Informant! and Vincenzo Natali’s Splice, Pandorum and The Baader Meinhoff COmplex – along with quite a few other bits of cinema we’ve seen in recent days. Slightly spirited discussion on the latest in the Roman Polanski drama/circus and of course weekly DVD picks. Enjoy and part B (an all TIFF re-cap) should be posted in the coming hours. Stay tuned and as always…

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COVERED IN TODAY’S SHOW:

Coast to Coast with the “Hi and Lo Brow” podcast
The Informant!
The Baader Meinhof Complex
Splice
Crank 2
Steel Dawn
Take-Out
Pandorum
9
Ichi
The Room

Roman Polanski debacle (RowThree post and discussion)

DVD PICKS:
Matt: Woodpecker (Matt’s review)
Kurt: Princess
Andrew: The Girlfriend Experience (Andrew’s review)

BLU RAY: Labyrinth and Dark Crystal

OTHER DVDs AVAILABLE:
Away We Go (Row Three review)
The Guild (seasons 1 & 2)

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Rusty James
Guest

John Landis was not found not guilty. The families settled out of court. Say what you will about the terms but Landis abidding by the terms of the law.

And as you say Di Salva did his time. I strongly believe that if a person is stands trial and abides by the ruling then they deserve a second chance. Di Salva might be a creepy old man, but that's not illegal.

Kurt's possition is complete nonsense and he knows it. I can hear the guilt in his voice when he offers up his half hearted defense.

I laughed out loud when Kurt said "the law gets more compromised in the case of celebrity. Look at OJ"

umm, good point? OJ sure did get a raw deal?

All of the legal bungles were alledged that they were GOING TO HAPPEN. They're complete conjecture.

Good for Matt for not letting you get away with your slander of the victim.

Contrary to Kurt's claims in the other thread he never used the words "rape, sodomy, fugitive or criminal" in relation to Polinski. In every case Kurt read the best intention into the actions of Polanski (even if they blantantly fly in the face of the facts), and the worst intentions into the actions of the girl (again, even in the face of the evidence)

Using the girl (you're the one saying we should just let the rapist go because the victim says she's moved on)? Arguing ideology? How so?

Polaski was not tried, he failed to show up for his court date. So the OJ example doesn't apply.

Kurt
Guest

I'm not claiming to have the answers, I just feel the thing is more 'complicated' than many people are willing to acknowledge.

Rusty James
Guest

And I think you hide behind "complications" because you lack the moral fortitude to admit to yourself that a great artist could commit a terrible crime.

Israel / Palestine is complicated. Socialism / Laisse Faire is complicated. Polanski's crimes are quite straight-forward unless you don't want to see them.

Goon
Guest

The more I learn, while the case itself is complicated, the case for defending Polanski is not. He did a terrible thing. If you look at what he 'deserves' in the purely clinical sense of the rules of law and promised sentences, etc, you can maybe make a case of what he has left to serve if any, but outside of that there is no question to me that he deserves, morally, is to have been locked away for a very long time.

The petition the directors have been signing is one of the most ridiculously bullshittiest things I've ever come across, ever, painting film festivals as some magical plane of existence where laws don't apply, artists do no wrong, and nobody can question. I'm sure the PABAAH folks are masturbating furiously at the gift these directors did by giving the world such an absolutely retarded display of ignorance, not addressing at all what Polanski did other than saying its a 'case of morals'. I love you Wes Anderson, but fuck you, seriously, you're being an idiot. Stop it.

Henrik
Guest

free polanski…

Rusty James
Guest

@ The petition the directors have been signing is one of the most ridiculously bullshittiest things I’ve ever come across, ever, painting film festivals as some magical plane of existence where laws don’t apply, artists do no wrong, and nobody can question.

The thing that pisses me off about that petition is the presumptuous entitlement of it. It certaintly is a douche move to arrest someone on their way to accept an award thus disrupting a film festival. But the police don't arrest you at your earliest convience. Stop acting surprised and indignant when you're not afforded special priviladges. And if Polanski wanted to be arrested at a more convienent time he could've turned himself at an appriate moment during his 30 years on the lamb.

Polanski and his celebrity supporters are acting like a parody of a rich spoiled fat woman, with a monacle at a debutante ball. "law enforcement… how gauche… how proletariat"

When Polanski raped a child did he first make sure that it was a convienient time for her? Maybe she was on her way to accepting an award for teen modeling.

Rusty James
Guest

This "free polanski" business is the white art film snob equivilant of black people supporting OJ.

Rusty James
Guest

except that OJ didn't confess.

Rusty James
Guest

@ while the case itself is complicated, the case for defending Polanski is not.

I agree. the details concerning his sentencing are complicated (which a trial will sort out). The details concerning his guilt and his horrible crime are straightforward.

Kurt
Guest

This has always been about the case, and not the man. The celebrity complicates the case insofar as it brings a more highly focused press/envy/etc. that celebrity always brings. (begging the question of would we be talking about this if it was just a regular Joe…although the Terry Shiavo case from a few years ago does not entirely rule that out, albeit we'd not be gabbing about it on a movie site…anyway).

My position has never been to defend the actions of Mr. Polanski.

Goon
Guest

"This has always been about the case, and not the man."

If it were so clinical there wouldnt be bullshit emotional arguments about whether or not the girl forgave her or setup from the mother, or appeals to his age, etc.

And as for the case, he skipped out – period. There's questions about what he would have gotten or this or that, etc, but I have yet to see any reasonable argument whatsoever that he had served enough to be 'freed', clinically or morally speaking, and absolutely no argument whatsoever that arresting him on the way to an awards ceremony is something anyone should apologize for.

Rusty's right, he is becoming Film Nerd OJ. But for the record, I think OJ deserved to be acquitted. Obviously his money got him the legal help to fight back, but the proscecution did an absolutely sloppy, cocky job from top to bottom that was just begging to be shot down by people who are paid good money to do just that. OJ didn't get whatever you would call 'moral justice' (as I think he did it), but in that 'follow the rules' justice I'm certain the jury made the right decision.

Goon
Guest

Which producer did Gamble blow to get top billing on that poster?

Kurt
Guest

🙂 Alphabetical.

Kurt
Guest

…Or maybe not, considering I"m not in the middle…

Let the conspiracy theories begin. Andrew owns many pairs of shoes. Talk amongst yourselves.

Goon
Guest

Tangent opportunity:

When top billings get fucked up on posters:

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/518o7Awp8EL._SL500_

I guess the graphic designer had not seen any of these people in films before. 1 out of 3 aint bad.

Goon
Guest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BbBA5c36Q

This is somewhat similar to the Goose Man who was laughing during the Room.

Marina Antunes
Admin

Coast to Coast is, as you guys mentioned, a load of bull but how I love listening to it. Am I the only one that finds George Noory the perfect host? Sometimes you can tell he's really following and believes in the discussion and other times it's clear he thinks his guests and callers are crazy. Really, he's the only reason I listen to though sometimes they have some interesting theories.

I saw and liked CRANK. Heck, I really liked GAMER too but CRANK 2? No thanks. I managed to get partway through before giving up. It was getting painful to watch.

Big kudos to Gamble for THE GUILD love and bringing up the excellent TAKE OUT. On THE GUILD – I don't play MMORPG's or any online sort of game for that matter and I thoroughly enjoy the show. And Felicia Day…serious girlcrush.

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