Cinecast Episode 111 – Guys, Interrupted

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Episode 111:
We talk about Coraline and whole bunch of other movies floating around our current DVD queue. Speaking of DVDs, we have our picks for this week’s releases and Matt Gamble from Where the long tail ends shows up out of the blue to set Kurt and Andrew straight… but doesn’t.
Seriously, thanks for listening!

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Below the fold are the Show Notes…

Show notes for the Cinecast Episode 111:

  • Intro music: :00 – 3:50
  • Opening crap/in-house announcements: :37 – 4:51
  • Stuff we saw recently: 4:52 – 36:05
    – – The Prestige, Frost/Nixon, Miracle Mile, The Quiet Earth, Pontypool
  • Coraline (3D): 36:06 – 1:12:29
    – – Matt Gamble beams in at about 50:05
  • DVD picks: 1:12:30 – 1:29:04
    – – Matt Gamble beams out at about 1:25:05
  • “On the Road”: 1:29:05 – 1:37:57
  • Closing stuff: 1:38:00 – 1:40:29
  • Outro Music: 1:37:36 – 1:41:43

Bumper Music (with iTunes links) provided by:

Mike Doughty
“Looking at the World from a Bottom of a Well” (album: Haughty Melodic)
AND
Clem Snide (Amazon.com link)
“Grievence” (album: The Late Great Daniel Johnston: Discovered Covered)


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Stuff we looked at:

The Prestige
Sukiyaki Western Django
Miracle Mile
The Quiet Earth

From Miracle Mile:
Mare Winningham:
Mare Winningham

Kurt Fuller:
Kurt Fuller


Coraline:

Andrew’s rant about paying extra for 3D


The Sandman Short
Sandman
Youtube Embedding Disabled, so follow link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjgHbRrnjhU


“On the Road” with Andrew’s iPod segment:
Alien vs. Predator: Requiem
Andrew’s smile per mile quotient: .45

Death Race
Andrew’s smile per mile quotient: .6


DVD Pick(s) for Tuesday, February 10th:

Kurt:
Blindness
Blindness

Blu-Ray
Chocolate
Chocolate

Andrew:
Frozen River
Frozen River

Blu-Ray
A History of Violence
A History of Violence

Other films out on DVD and/or Blu-Ray:

The Saragossa Manuscript
The Exterminating Angel


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Goon
Guest

renting Blindness, W and Frozen River from the new releases this week. I have a shop clerk at the video store I trust who has seen all three (they can rent in advance) and it basically came down to this:

Blindness = shit, W = watchable in the American Gangster way where its decent but fails to do anything special, Frozen River = amazing

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I know Blindness rubs a lot of people the wrong way. A second viewing may be enlightening.

Marina Antunes
Admin

"Frozen River = amazing"

Loving the Frozen River love.

Goon
Guest

"You’re a moron."

I didn't say it, at least yet. I'm just giving second hand reviews from a person I agree with 85% of the time.

Mike Rot
Member

my blu-ray pick for the week was Cold Mountain (he says anticipating a fight). I haven't watched it yet but skipped around and the transfer is nothing too special, its more for the film. You had talked about doing a list of films to hang out to, and as weird as it may sound, this is that kind of film for me. It doesn't register so much for its romantic story, for me its the ensemble of actors in it, and the general beauty of the cinematography, going from Natalie Portman to Phillip S. Hoffmann (as a preacher before Doubt!) to Jack White, to having hoe-downs and really cheesy moments like Zellweiger's oscar speech "man creates the weather and ask why its rainin'!", and of course you have Nicole Kidman who I adore to look at, and its all so Gone with the Wind corny at times, but effortlessly watchable.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Weird Cold-Mountain pseudo-factoid: I have a copy of the film, but have never watched it. Those who come over to my home-theatre, usually babysitting for us, put that one one more often than any movie I own. I can never figure that out.

Goon
Guest

I watched Blindness and W. today

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W. was extremely meh. Seemed pointless and didn't tell you anything I didn't already know. There's weird sort of comedic performances, but nobody does anything funny, so I don't know about that. Maybe 15-20 years from now if somehwo anyone even remembers this movie maybe it will be good to look back on, but for now it's not really relevant. 2.5/5

For the first 40 minutes of Blindness I was thinking just like you guys: "How did anyone give this a bad review" – then Gael Garcia Bernal shows up and everything kind of spirals into dark areas that I can see people easily not wanting to sit through, even maybe things that would justifiably make people walk out of the theater.

Let me skip all the things I like about the movie, because between your discussions you've named them all.

Quite frankly, Bernal's character and the Ward 3 people in general made me angry. not the characters, but the way they were written. You know how in some Von Trier movies, or in Shawshank and Green Mile there are some villainous/unfair characters with no humanity who are almost cartoonish in their evilness. Bernal's character is much worse, and worse yet, there's an entire ward full of them. Quite frankly, I didn't buy it, and this section of the movie was well, insulting. I absolutely loathed it and wanted to turn it off because I didn't think it was going to dig itself out of this hole.

So when Ward 3 burns alive, it didn't elicit any 'yay' cheer that you're maybe supposed to get, I was just happy that segment of the movie was OVER and we could move on, and luckily enough, yes, the movie does quite well earning its humanity back as they deal with the reality of what has happened.

As for the very end, meh, I don't know that I really cared for it, but I didn't hate it either. I suppose they wanted a glimmer of hope because even if they didn't mind being blind, eventually everyone was probably going to starve to death and things would get worse.

I also thought it was weird that apparently only 2 or 3 people were smart enough to get some sort of cane for walking around.

So overall I really liked the movie, it would be a 3.75/4 – I couldn't feel right giving it more than that and less than that doesn't seem right. on flixter I may lean around 4 just because I have to.

So its not shit and deserves more attention than it got, but I can see why it turns people off, and for that certain part of the movie, I am one of them – yet it is based on not buying it/hating watching it be done so poorly, than it is about taking offense at the content.

Goon
Guest

the reviews on flixster right before I posted mine are all extremely brutal. This movie is clearly quite loathed:

"But it was only when they were BLIND that they could SEE Zzzzzzzz. Looks horrible (dear director: the characters may be blind, but the audience bloody isn't), is quite dull. I hate allegories though, so I may not be this film's ideal audience. It really was crud though. "

"The worst movie I've seen yet in 2009. Actually, I can't think of anything I have seen during the past decade that was as bad as this one. "

"Dumb. Pointless. Meaningless. Story written by a 3 year old. Two hours of my life wasted… watching THIS?!?

The story has a meaningless beginning and a meaningless end. They've tried to show 'chaos' and 'panic' by showing a bunch of blind people stuck in a shit hole called a 'facility' with no staff to manage ANYTHING. They're left to fend for themselves with food coming (presumably) out of the tiles… since they never explain where it comes from. As expected, the place turns to shit when a bunch of blind people are put together. Then some cliched guy becomes the MAN, orders other people around. To show the 'good' peoples plight, they show how they get their way with the women (i was crying at this point… NOT) and… wait a minute… they escape (???). Oh all this while Julian Moore has her sight and helps others to take a crap, wash their crap and eat some crap (how heartwarming). When they finally leave the 'facility' they do some random things (the usual boring surviving thing) and… oh wait! They can see! BOOFRIKKINHOO! (accompanied by brilliant, victorious and ultra enthusiastic orchestra moojick). THE END.

Unfathomable torture to the senses. I may never recover. God help me erase this from my memory. "

"Let's just say it's a pointless film with really no point to it,it begins a bit interesting but as the movie develop's it just makes no sense at all and your never explained what's causing the blindness,im not gonna go into more detail because regardless im saying skip this film its horrible. "

And tonnes of more reviews like that – The general term I'm seeing is "pointless"

Goon
Guest

"To me, it was Ruffalo/Moore’s ward that was not believable. That they would just sit idly by and let all this happen is unfathomable."

There's way too many Holocaust stories of sitting idly by/not fighting back to challenge this.

As for that 'pointless' thing, I think some people get preoccupied and are looking for some mystery that simply isn't there or meant to be there. Maybe the same people who were expecting Children of Men to explain what caused people to stop having babies.

"many will succumb to do anything to get some semblance of sanity and normality back."

if it were isolated people within each ward, or maybe focused on one ward and had people start to gather together and act irrational, i could maybe buy it. That sort of thing is sort of happening in The Mist if I remember correctly. But that ward managing to fall under that control so quickly and never looking back, I just didn't buy it for a second. And its not like Bernal's character was charismatic or rationalizing it to anyone – one ward happens to be some avatar of democracy and the other one is some evil Objectivist cult, and during those scenes both just came out annoying.

Aaron
Guest

No homework assignment this week? I thought you were getting back to doing that.

Goon
Guest

See, I didnt think the Mist was nearly as out there as other people, maybe because of the hype around it, and also because the general vibe of the movie allows for some weird shit to happen character-wise. In the world that movie creates, it feels reasonable to me for people to follow the End of the World lady. If anything, there is a sense of panic missing from Blindness that doesn't seem quite right, they want to show it out in public via narration/flashbacks but it doesn't really show up in the wards, and even when they're starving the sense of urgency isn't there.

For me its handling all the little problems, and each other's personalities, that made Blindness interesting. Worrying about a wife becoming a mom, handling the rope system, cleaning up after the shit and piss, etc.

With hours after seeing it, I can actually say my opinion of it is slipping bit by bit, I mean the logic within the film is all over the map. A lot of things are senseless and unrealistic, a lot of things are senseless but also very realistic and plausible, and there's a lot of things missing or never touched upon that maybe should have been. In other words, I think the film is pretty inconsistent, especially again, "in the world the filmmaker creates" – in the context of a different movie, it'd be easier to forgive a lot of things. The Ward 3 assholes and their hoarding would be a lot easier to accept in a zombie movie or in the Mist than they are in this movie, especially after the hour of buildup preceding it. I'm not saying its fully out of place, but it felt like they let it off its leash, and they had to burn up everyone of those characters to get it back on track. If Bernal had stuck around longer, I feel like I could guarantee I would hate the movie.

Goon
Guest

Let me go a little deeper about how stupid and insulting the Bernal scenes are.

So we get one scene of him backtalking and acting like a jackass, and suddenly he's the Insane Pope, with a gun (I guess myself and a shitload of other reviewers missed that scene)? and control of all the food. Seriously, one gun – and he's demanding all this shit including their wives and they all bow down immediately and even though Ward 1 are supposed to be more civil and logical they can't figure this obvious shit out. I mean I know in the Holocaust similar things happened, but there were massive revolts that had far smaller odds than anything in here. It's just insulting, the lack of information and failure to build why Bernal is supposedly such a charismatic leader, and failure to explain why Moore won't use sight to their advantage right away, or why the men are such pussies and refuse to stand up – I'm sorry but "there'll be a war" doesnt cut it as an excuse when they're raping your women, and when the actual conflict was so easily taken care of.

And again. Seriously. A whole ward of rapists. These people were not all felons or criminals, I'm sure they had wives and girlfriends like anyone else, and yet every single one of these people is some cartoonish insane person and I'm just supposed to take it at face value? I can listen to arguments about situational morality and insanity and all that, but you have to put some sort of effort into it.

Other small bitching:

It doesn't make much sense to me that during this big outbreak absolutely nobody was studying any of this first group of sick people. I mean it would have been a lot smoother/more believable to have a doctor occasionally show up, be crass, and then take off, and eventually they stop coming and thats when the panic starts to set in, and patchy can have his big speech. I mean they introduce HazMat suits into this thing but no doctors can find their way into one?

I've noticed in general it seems a lot of women hate the movie much more than men. Some of that may simply be the intensity not meeting their taste, but one major thing I'm reading is that it made them loathe Julianne Moore, that by not being blind her character is essentially 'invisible', and she just sits and lets all this crap happen until someone gets hurt, as if that was so much worse.

I've known some women who have declared they would rather die than be raped, that they would go down fighting. I wish they'd have introduced at least some of that mindset, that after the failure of the men to pony up and fight at the risk of being shot, that the women would organize. In the real world, most people do not allow themselves to be so easily bullied. Take a look at that movie again, pretend you have sight, and ask yourself if you can honestly say:

"I would allow myself to be raped and victimized by blind men" – Can you honestly say that? I don't buy it for that character, and no plot contrivance in the world can change it if they're not going to do me the solid of putting me inside her mind.

So while the movie is still to me, overall, kind of smart, there is a lot of stupidity there too, and a lot of missed opportunities.

Goon
Guest

Geez, you know the more I talk about it the less there is to like. Seriously, this one section of the film is just retarded.

I mean seriously. Fuck. they submit to this sort of thing for fear that they might starve or start a war, but one of them dies anyways while being raped, and are we supposed to be shocked? None of these people figured that these people evil enough to steal all their worthless jewelry and demand their women for food would also be capable of going too far? And Moore is too stupid to realize her vision is a better weapon than a gun? There's just too many things to explain away, that segment of the film really is utter shit.

Goon
Guest

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0861689/board/thread/

thread: "Things I learned watching Blindness"

Choice ones to save you a lot of bad posts:

1 – if everyone is blind and you're the only one who can see, it's always a good idea to get raped by the blind.

4 – if you can see but your husband is blind, yes, do send him to fetch clothes at the supermarket while you chill on the stairs.

5 – in a pitch black basement where you've never been, the first thing you'll always find is a box of matches, and it will take you only 5 seconds to do so.

13) if you have gun wielding guards on duty last thing you would think about doing, even if they are trigger happy dicks is to tell them about how a small group robbed the food of the others.

14)if you turn blind the last thing you would do is create a guide stick, unless your a deviant.

15) when thrown into some horrible of a mess quarantine zone everyone sticks to their wards like glue.

22. When blind, snuggle up to a blind woman and have 'sexual relations' with that woman and assume you won't get caught by your wife, who is in same small building, and whom can see.

24. If you're the token Japanese guy in a group, you must talk about honour at least once while staying within that group.

27. If you're naturally blind, going into a quarantined area with people infected with a blinding illness seems like a good idea.

31. When you manage to gather up three bags worth of food and then get mobbed, you will likely emerge with three bags of food.

34. If you go blind while driving, heading home sounds like a better idea than going to a hospital

35. If you're the only seeing person in the world, and start to think you're going blind, pan down, and you'll see a high rise, and realize you're not really going blind, those were only clouds.

38. Have a lesbian like shower in the rain when you're finally safe.

41. Get mad at your wife for killing her rapist.

43. In case of a fire, the blind know where all the nearest exits are and are able to escape safely without hassle.

44. If you're one of the bad blind people #43 doesn't apply to you.

73. Meat doesn't go bad even after months and months of open storage.

Henrik
Guest

I hate the IMDB boards, but there was one of those "Things I've Learned" on Total Recall which was fucking amazing. As good as bash.org quotes, I highly recommend reading it.

A major difference is that it's written with love, because Total Recall rules, but the Blindness one reads like it's written without it.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Most people (particularly IMDb'ers seem to forget that Blindness is aiming at allegory, not literal story telling.), but that is a whole 'nother can of worms. Suffice it to say, it isn't plot on display in Blindness, it is ideas.

Goon
Guest

That… is a humongous cop-out.

You cant just build up a realistic depiction of this world and then when your story is senseless and stupid say "Yeah well its an allegory". It bathes in all these story problems and fails to find a realistic way out of them, and expects us to forgive everything. It's only by returning to the realistic human side it was building up before that it survives at all.

When you say 'allegory' to excuse all this, it comes across like when Hoffman tells Fugit to just tell everyone its a 'think piece'

The vast majority of this film acts merely as a look at an aleternative reality, and the development of everyone's changing realities and character dilemmas. This is where its strong. The allegorical stuff about blindness and humanity weaves its way into that story well. When it is necessary to more or less run on that alone, are parts where this movie is flat out pretentious and silly.

I mean you can buy the dogs tearing away a person, but when I'm watching realizing the director is trying to make a point first and depict the reality second, that's annoying. The ending and the remaining Glover narration, its just not that strong or poignant. Even all the visual tools are extremely obvious.

So sorry, yeah, I'd say plot is the better display in Blindness than the allegorical ideas. The allegory is shallow, the ideas of the alternative universe and storytelling make good entertainment.

So I don't know, I guess I like this movie in a different way you did. I can't see how you'd give this movie version of a book a pass based on allegory, because that side is at best serviceable to the story and at worst pretentious horseshit.

So basically its a better sci if movie than an allegory pic. Animal Farm this is not. This movie at many times reminds of a zombie pic in its survivalist storytelling, and trying to defend it as an allegory makes me remember just how much stronger Dawn of the Dead is as a social commentary.

Goon
Guest

I don't see how you can nitpick Slumdog and Benjamin Button to such extreme lengths (deserved or undeserved) and not accept the 'fairy tale' defense at almost any point, but have this one be left unscathed. That's just weird.

Maybe you can simply justify it as one meeting your personal sensibilities and the other ones not, but if we're going to intellectualize the details, believability and symbolism in these movies, throwing 'allegory' up for a catch all is again, a pretty big cop out. An actual defense of a lot of this stuff seems necessary, or at least some sort of statement that the handling of it transcends its weaknesses, or acknowledgement that you wouldn't normally forgive a lot of this stuff – because you really normally don't. I get the feeling the hummingbird could exist in this movie and get away with it for you.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I do not think it is a humungous cop-out. The film is set in an 'un-named' city, with 'unnamed' characters and an un-named government. Blindness worked for me because of the interesting shifts in privledge and power between the characters, the narrowing of perspective and then the widening of perspective within the story. There is a poetry to Blindness (despite its bluntness) that transcends plot and circumstance into bigger 'sci-fi' kind of ideas (I think all the best science fiction is actually grounded in sociology, from 2001 to Solyaris to Primer)

I'm not going to get into Slumdog or Button, their distinct lack of poetry and their shamelessly audience-friendly crowd-pleasing nature negate any poetry capable of their construction. The execution of their stories hinges on personal investment in the characters first (at least from my perspective) whereas Blindness is going for 'society' rather than individuals.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Oh, and Goon, I do have issues with the last couple of minutes of Blindness.

Goon
Guest

Kurt, I'm listening to the spoiler review of Blindness on an old cinecast, and you yourself are acknowledging that the allegory is directly butting heads with the realism.

"their distinct lack of poetry and their shamelessly audience-friendly crowd-pleasing nature negate any poetry capable of their construction."

I don't specifically want to get into Button or Slumdog either – I'm kind of sick of talking of both of them at this point, but well.. no. I think you're giving special privilege to it because it is dark.

"Poetry" is becoming your other p-word you're using a bit too much. 😛 – I mean what you're saying there could be taken as that a feel-good movie cannot be poetic, something that appeals to the masses can't be poetic, that if you apply your individual 'pander' label to it, you can't apply the other p-word. You called Gran Torino 'poetry' too and I have no idea what the fuck you're thinking there.

What I can say is the overall feeling of death hangs over Button constantly, and it's not there in Blindness. Blindness is quite clinical and indifferent so much of the time, which may be why it turns people off. But that doesn't mean its poetic or more 'real', I can just as easily spin that at saying that it fails to connect with the audience, is often too disconnected from humanity, and Button is thus superior because it resonates.

I don't think either one is particularly more right or wrong about the world. Blindness for the most part takes an overall negative look at how the world will function without sight, but Ward 3 is going overboard, and accepting it without more development is just off.

Maybe there's not enough examples to compare, but it seems you're really down on any of the life-affirming movies that incorporate fairy tale elements and symbolism, but are really up and forgiving to a fault of the bleaker ones where people are essentially terrible, go out of their way to be brutal and emotionally cold/distant from each other. Button, Slumdog, Gump vs. Code 46, Blindness, Funny Games

I'm sure you've got movies that shatter that mold, but in general lately its coming across like "Dark side real. Dark side poetry. Light side panders. Light side fake"

Goon
Guest

I mean here you admit you have issues with the last few minutes of the movie, but thats the part with the hope towards things getting better 😛

rot
Guest

Goon I think you are getting to the problem with Blindness, it was a book that was intended to be allegorical, but there was a partial disconnect with that aspect in the film adaptation, both due to the visual decisions to depict the story, but also, edits were made along the way to make the allegorical aspect less and less prominent. I saw the first cut of the film and it was explicit that this was an allegory but even then the visuals were not on the same page. The story does not work as realism, it works as a kind of victim self-empowerment allegory, a blind person inversing reality where she is the heroine trying to look after the rest of humanity… and as she tries to live up to this new role she comes to learn that neither scenario is ideal, and by identifying herself with the caretaker, she comes to get outside of herself and come to terms with her own disability…

my version ends with her coming to the realization that she is, in fact, blind.

also take note that none of the characters have names, they are all fairly symbolic, they all exist to work out this role reversal.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Gran Torino (my, my aren't we getting far afield) only gets the P-word because it is so resolute in dwelling (growling) in its tiny little space that it pretty much owns its own space by its own rules. (I have no idea whether or not this makes sense to anyone by me, and for that, well, sorry).

Gran Torino is so resolute at being its own beast that for me, it won me over in the end.

Goon
Guest

"they are all fairly symbolic, they all exist to work out this role reversal."

Yes, I see you've got the whore, the child, the man who was half blind, I'm not sure if the Japanese couple were supposed to represent anything – I mean its not like its lack of communication or anything since they can speak English. But these characters don't play THAT much of a role, so to be honest I didn't think much about them. if they have a part in the allegory it's not all that strong, we see how they come to be part of the cast, how the disease spread to them, but there isn't a whole lot of follow up, and they don't exactly fit a stereotypical role either. The prostitute sleeps with Ruffalo, but it doesn't seem so extremely wrong, she doesnt take any leadership position for or against rape. They exist to be led around, and the movie is distant and cole enough for us to not really care about what happens to them (save maybe Glover).

You know, I'm surprised one or two of them didn't get killed off along the way. The one guy who does die had it coming, but he's basically stumbling out there because of his infected leg, thanks to the prostitute. I mean is THAT supposed to be some allegory? Guy wants some, girl fights back, and then the rest of the world eventually dies?

There's way too much regular narrative for some allegory catch-all to explain away everything. There is too much actual plotting and consequences of actions going on to avoid addressing.

Goon
Guest

"Gran Torino is so resolute at being its own beast"

You still haven't seen Crash, have you?

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

At Goon – in regards to Button, Slumdog vs. Code46, Funny Games… well, see the post in the archives on Glenn Kenny's musings of Barry Lyndon vs. Forrest Gump

http://www.rowthree.com/tag/barry-lyndon/

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

I know where you are going with this Goon. I'll say that Gran Torino manages to avoid most of the Haggis-isms of Million $ Baby in its construction (And yes I know that Paul Haggis didn't write the GT script), but I've not seen Crash.

There is a difference between hamfisted screenplay writing and Gran Torino. One I"m finding difficult to articulate, but it is there and perhaps connected to the subject matter.

rot
Guest

I agree Goon, I just think things got lost along the way, two conflicting agendas made a film by committee that makes it confusing for the audience to grasp what they are watching. That said, I still enjoyed Blindness, and can squint past the indecisiveness of its storytelling to find something of interest to me.

Goon
Guest

"That said, I still enjoyed Blindness, and can squint past the indecisiveness of its storytelling to find something of interest to me."

That's basically where I am too. I pick at it like I pick at Slumdog, something that is overall enjoyable but has some major issues that at least on RT, are overly forgiven or apologized for. Listening to the Cinecast I'm hearing Andrew say a number of things I am, and Sean on FJ said similar things, that so many parts are just unbelievable.

Goon
Guest

"It sounds like part of the problem you have Goon is you too were upset that Ward 1 never did anything about the mess that was happening in front of them."

On the Cinecast spoiler review you said almost the same thing, that they were unbelievable in how they took care of things and didn't fight back. But you thought Bernal's ward was overall more believable.

"we have no idea what is going on outside the walls of the ward.

Depending on how much you believe Glover's character, yes or no. It seems it was taken seriously enough and was enough of a crisis that its weird nobody cared to check. If they wanted to explain that away by having everyone so panicked that they were too scared to investigate and hoped it would just go away, they didn't do enough.

Goon
Guest

Also, one thing that didn't happen that I expected was that the place would become ridiculously flooded with people. Apparently there's enough space for the mess area to be isolated enough for Ruffalo and the prostitute to fuck in private. Huh? I mean it would have been more interesting if they were doing it with a few people in the room at least just lying around not paying attention. Also if the place was more flooded with people the 'rats in the cage' mentality would be strong enough that Bernal's actions may seem more believable. As it is its so divided that Ward 3 essentially becomes like Mordor, just some force of evil that doesn't ring true and doesn't held any allegory.

Goon
Guest

". The final 35 minutes or so really won me over."

Agreed. The experience in the wards didn't necessarily make them better survivors, but it made them more human and able to take care of each other and be able to live with the blindness somewhat happily. But I think this kinship could have developed without raping everyone and then burning down the place. I thought it was great that this core of people stuck together, and they really did well with it once they got out, but they really didn't do enough to knit them together in the wards, spending valuable time responding to that ridiculous crisis.

Goon
Guest

^ if it was that out of hand, I don't know why they didn't release the quarantined. The guards were there for a good long while. I mean Glover says it got out of control, but we're also led to believe it didn't really get particularly fucked until Mr. Leg Infection decided to get his blood all over the outside world.

Marina Antunes
Admin

My first thought watching Frozen River was "Is this a Canadian film?" It's solid and was a huge surprise for me. Good pick Andrew.

Rusty James
Guest

You guys have got me looking forward to Blindness, a film I thought looked interesting but never got around to in the theater.

I saw a great trailer for Frozen River but it's been off my radar for a while, I'll check it out.

rot
Guest

It would be interesting to know what films have stoked the most conversation on row three… Blindness has definitely gotten some mileage.

and who can forget Milk?

DirtyRobot
Guest

Kurt – I'm completely on board with you on THE PRESTIGE, I need to revisit it soon.

LOVED loved CORALINE! Too bad you guys are not feeling the 3D, hardly necessary for this film though, but thankfully I don't get headaches or sore noses.

I'm also sold on THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT, just Zip'ed it.

Rusty James
Guest

@ and who can forget Milk?

And the Religulous thread that crossed over from film junk to here.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Robot – Are you in any way involved in the Ozsploitation marathon going on in Toronto and the return of "NOT QUITE HOLLYWOOD" – you going to see Turkey Shoot on the big screen?

Goon
Guest

I was describing Blindness to someone else and they asked "How did they get back in their apartment"

"uh, they had their keys?"

"what?"

"their keys"

"what?"

"um.."

"are you sure?"

"i'll have to ask everyone else…"

"because that seems retarded"

"yeah. I'll ask"

Goon
Guest

I didnt say it was the only question I got :/

this is someone who knew the entire story from the book or an online plot synopsis/something like that and thus had detailed, more specific questions.

and you didnt answer the question 😛

Kurt
Guest

Why does the Hulk have pants?

Kurt
Guest

Do the filmmakers really have to show you that Julianne Moore keeps a spare key under the plant on the front porch?

I'd rather people get hung up on the ideas in a plot-movie than get hung up on the plot in an ideas movie. Blindness is the latter.

Goon
Guest

I don't think its that weird. I said they went back to their house, they asked why you'd go back there if it was ravaged for food and supplies (another assumption that really isn't that off) i said it wasnt, and it went from there. we figured it wasnt ravaged since it was an apartment. but sorry man, we did focus after that on how weird it is that after all that they managed to have the keys. its one of those little things that's funny to think of.

Goon
Guest

"Do the filmmakers really have to show you that Julianne Moore keeps a spare key under the plant on the front porch? "

Jesus fucking christ guys, this is a Clerks-esque details question to keep the conversation alive, and you're getting all defensive about it, as if its the tiny missle that takes out the Death Star.

But for the record, I thought it was an apartment, why would you keep a key on the porch?

DirtyRobot
Guest

Kurt – Not involved with this Oxflix weekend, but I sure wish that they were showing TURKEY SHOOT, that film is awfully delicious!

Matt Gamble
Guest

Awful/Delicious might be a better descriptor. Absolute mess of a film, but it has more then its fair share of great moments.

Dave
Guest

How weird is it that the first podcast of any sort I've done in 18 months has a discussion about Blindness as well? Pretty much Goon has it covered as far as my thoughts go, and Andrew you've echoed some as well. A flawed film for sure but quite engaging upon initial viewing. I settled into the allegorical aspects of the film early on but even I agree that some of the more frustrating character actions takes you out of the allegory. (What kind of crippling fear makes a woman with sight believe she is powerless against a blind man?) Still, a film that is overall worthy of much discussion and quite possibly a second look. Certainly more than I can say for the fare hitting most theaters this week-end.

Keep up the good chatter.

rot
Guest

@Dave, well my lofty dreams of having my very own 'Rotcast' I see has been cut short by your site's squatting on the name. Damn You!

kidding, I wouldn't even know what end of a podcast to talk into.

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Ashley
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Just watched Frozen River. I can't decide whether or not I liked it.

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