Cinecast Episode 97 – Fly Casual


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Episode 97:
In which we discuss: SPOILER review of Elegy, pre-Tiff countdown, Contact, Jedis and DVDs

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Show notes for Cinecast Episode #97

  • Intro music: :00 – 3:50
  • Opening B.S.: :35 – 2:08
  • pre-TIFF jazz: 2:09 – 12:09
  • Elegy: 12:10 – 27:07
  • State of films this week/month: 27:08 – 29:07
  • Contact: 29:08 – 36:22
  • Return of the Jedi: 36:24 – 43:00
  • DVD picks: 43:01 – 45:47
  • Closing announcements/thoughts:: 50:26 – 52:05
  • Outro music: 48:42 – 53:14

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“Weird” Al Yankovic
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The Weakerthans


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Elegy:

SPOILERS!

Great Chemistry:
Penelope Cruz and Ben Kingsley

Row Three posts:
Andrew’s review


Contact:
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Opening sequence:


Return of the Jedi:
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Siskel and Ebert:


DVD Picks for Tuesday, September 2nd:

Kurt:
The Promotion
The Promotion (IMDb)

Andrew:
Married Life
Married Life (IMDb)
Marina’s review

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Sparrow (IMDb)


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Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Can't believe I forgot to bring up THE BROTHERS BLOOM on this show. Ah Well. 1:15am.

Henrik
Guest

Andrew did you ever get around to watching those Bergman films?

murph
Guest

Ed Wood is a masterpiece!!!!!!!!!

Henrik
Guest

Ed Wood is pretty boring, except for when Martin Landau is on screen.

You'd be better off watching Bergman. Did you buy the Scenes from a Marriage original TV series, or the truncated movie version?

Marina Antunes
Admin

I still haven't seen elegy though I'm itching to catch up with it – I believe it opens this week so maybe I can squeeze it into next week's schedule.

Perhaps because I didn't see them when they initially came out, I've never been a big Star Wars fan. I have seen all of the films but once around was enough for me. They simply don't hold the same appeal for me as they do for hubby (who did watch them as they came out).

And it's funny Kurt brings up "Tune in Tomorrow…" I've slowly been making my way through some of Keanu Reeves' early films and I caught up with that one a few weeks ago. I realize it's a parody and there are some great moments in there (I particularly love the bits when the radio drama is actualized) but otherwise, I'm not quite sure how this ever did well with the critics. I was underwhelmed and a little bored.

Kurt
Guest

You people are nuts, Ed Wood is a bloody fantastic biopic that resists nearly all of the cliches, which is rather ironic considering Wood's actual brand of cinema.

Henrik
Guest

Eh, the fact that the people actually existed adds no value to the film. Who cares what genre it's supposed to defy when the film is boring.

leeny
Guest

Ed Wood was great. One of my favorite Burton films ever.

I am bias though, as I adore the original Ed Wood. Even have the Ed Wood Jr. trading cards to prove it.

Rusty James
Guest

Ed Wood was one of the films that made me love cinema.

Marina Antunes
Admin

I liked Ed Wood but it's not one of my favourite Burton films. Great performances and some wonderful moments but overall, I have to agree with Henrik on this one – it's a bit boring.

Kurt
Guest

There is a joy in Ed wood which is on display in nearly every frame. If that doesn't make great cinema, then I don't know what does. Sorry Henrik, you're "has to be real people" argument ain't holding water with me.

Henrik
Guest

Please point out my "has to be real people" argument. Even though you bring up nothing substantial yourself, you could at least specify the faulty arguments of others. I don't believe I argued anything other than the film is boring, and a boring film gains nothing by defying any sort of expectations.

Dave
Guest

Ed Wood is hands-down my favorite Burton film. Landau was superb.

Rusty James
Guest

The whole cast of Ed Wood is phenomenal.

Jonathan
Admin

I'm going to go as far as saying Ed Wood is one of my fifty absolute favorite movies. Maybe one of my twenty-five.

Rusty James
Guest

Well I'm gonna say it's one of my 49 favorite films! Possibly 24.

Henrik
Guest

Rusty your sense of humor is the major aspect of your comments that I can't get to fit into a fucking person. You seem like you're drunk with half of your comments when you're respectable and rational, then completely emotional and idiotic, then humourous towards the same people you defend.

If you weren't so fucking old, I would love to feel connected with you as brain-inhabiting commenters on a (at best hit'n'miss, to be honest mostly miss) website like this.

Henrik
Guest

Honestly:

Rusty, 22: Awesome. Smart, funny, spiked and barbed.

Rusty, 27: Kind of pathetic, trying too hard, comedy seems random instead of deliberate, too many opinions seem to be formed as a grown up to have any belief that his intelligence may show him the way. Lost.

I feel that same way about Matt Gamble though. I thought he was a fellow young, budding film pioneer who also loved comic books, but then I read he was over 30 years old, and thought he was pretty pathetic. I don't mean offense though, you're allowed to be pathetic in my eyes, I am in no way any kind of authority, I just feel like sharing because you bastards allow it, and I can't resist (I guess it's part of actually being young physically and mentally, rather than being tardy in ones development).

Goon
Guest

I've been too busy this week discovering Sarah Palin is Satan herself to listen to the show. Can't wait to finally tune in though.

sad about TIFF, as by the reviews, most everything I was hoping would be good is getting mediocre to shitty reviews. Looks like a bad fall for comedies and risky dramas.

Goon
Guest

Henrik is being an ass.

Henrik
Guest

I'm being honest. Just speaking the thoughts that enter my mind Andrew, if I didn't, I wouldn't be able to bear my own existence. There is no agenda, goal and/or purpose to my thoughts.

Rusty James
Guest

Goon, why do you think Sarah Palin is "satan"? Is it just a prolife thing?

Henrik, 21, insufferable little twat whose fat headed avatar makes him look like the smug down syndrome afflicted recipient of a collagen injection. His wittless attempts to offend his superiors is pretty much limited to calling them "pathetic" over and over again.

His brittle ego has unfortunately prohibited him from outgrowing the obnoxious habits of the teen years, still nursing at the teet of some cliche inferiority complex that most people your age left behind years ago.

His quaint attempts as european sophistication have the hilarious effect of making him sound like Nietzsche's retard kid brother.

Also he has no friends, smells bad, and loves M. Night Shyamalan with the furry of a thousand suns.

Jesus Archibald Christ, Henrik! I'm sitting here minding my own business and you pick some fight with me out of nowhere. A particularly mean spirited and personal fight to boot. Fuck off.

What does this sentence mean: "You seem like you’re drunk with half of your comments when you’re respectable and rational"? I seem drunk when I'm being respectable and rational? I'm drunk on comments? What the fuck are you blabbering about?! Maybe instead of funding your education in "film studies" (wanking off for lazy pretentious assholes) your socialist nanny state gov should worry about teaching you to read and write first. You're like the dumb version of clever.

And I'm 28 now so get it right clown.

Henrik
Guest

Rusty, you gave me just about the best response I could have ever hoped for. You told me off in exactly the right points (even I was thinking about how much I overuse the phrase 'pathetic', I really need to expand my english vocabulary), and I agree that my avatar looks pretty fat in the head. I think your description of a down syndrome person with collagen injections is spot on and pretty fucking funny. It is a real picture of my face though, so that's my defense for that.

As for my education in "film studies" being a wank fest for lazy, pretentious assholes, I know that many of the people I study with would take offense, but you're right on when it comes to me. I'm only studying because if I didn't I would have to get a job to pay for my existence. If I could, I would do nothing all day! I can read and write though, remember, english isn't my first language.

The sentence you don't understand (understandably, it's not very geniusly crafted) means that usually you don't at all come off as a rationally thinking, respectable human being, and it seems like every once in awhile a completely different personality comes out of you, I thought it seemed like you got drunk once in awhile and changed habitas.

I don't understand the phrase "european sophistication". I have been told several times that my attitude towards existence is born out of a inferiority complex, but I never really understood that. I don't feel inferior, and whenever I am impressed by something, I proclaim to the world that this is something that deserves time and effort. I only rag on things that annoy me, which isn't everything (but alot of things).

And it's not picking a fight – I think maybe it's related to being american that opinion-exchanging is thought of as fighting – I am being honest with myself and with you, I don't mean to attack, I just mean to proclaim.

I do have some friends, but it's probably true that I smell bad (I gave up years ago caring about my appearance, so showering is a rare occurence in my life, as is looking in the mirror and doing something about what I see), though I would not be able to tell. I do love M. Night Shyamalan, post-The 6th sense.

"Sometimes being honest and just randomly announcing to the world every single feeling and thought you have isn’t the right approach"

Who decides what's right? As long as I'm hurting noone – sticks and stones people – I have no moral scruples saying what I think is right.

"You wouldn’t be able to live with yourself without insulting people?"

Ignorance in effect. I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't express my honest opinion. It should be obvious to any thinking person that this would not always result in being nice, but sometimes it does. Insulting people has no value to me, neither has praising people, I just say what I think about things. If you don't want to hear it, you shouldn't expose your personality in a public forum.

Rusty James
Guest

"I think your description of a down syndrome person with collagen injections is spot on"

ha ha ha

"I’m only studying because if I didn’t I would have to get a job to pay for my existence."

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

"I do have some friends, but it’s probably true that I smell bad"

ha hah ha ha ha hoh ha OMG!Eleventy1! I better get off this lolercoaster cause I'm about to fucking DIE of LOLOLOLOLitis!

This is my favorite thread EVA! I should listen to the episode.

Rusty James
Guest

In the interest of fairness I've changed my avatar to a picture of myself (no, I'm not matt dillon). It will probably take a few days to show up.

Henrik
Guest

This is a perfect example of something a 22 year old would write and I would attribute it youthful exuberance, but when it's a 28year old, it just seems kind of pathetic.

I did actually laugh quite a bit at the down syndrome thing though. I just don't write it in my comments. I don't understand the humor in your second quote at all, but the third thing you quoted was an attempt at a joke, and I'm pleased that it was succesful.

swarez
Guest

Henrik you need to learn to be more ironic. And learn to read irony as well.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

So, Martin Landau was sitting behind me in the "Lovely, Still" screening at TIFF, he's a pretty hale and healthy fellow for his age. Great in the film too.

Rusty James
Guest

Kurt, could you stop derailing this thread with your movie talk.

Henrik
Guest

Rusty, you don't look like Matt Dillon, you look like M. Night Shyamalan! Only white.

Rusty James
Guest

uh, I have a feeling this is one of your infamous "jokes" but that picture isn't of me. I switched my avatar to a picture of me but it'll take a day or two to show up.

The current picture is in fact of Matt Dillon.

Rusty James
Guest

On other sites where I post my new avatar is up! Lame!

Henrik
Guest

Seriously, that's Matt Dillon from Crash and all? It looks like a white M. Night Shyamalan, no joke.

Goon
Guest

"Goon, why do you think Sarah Palin is “satan”? Is it just a prolife thing?"

Christian Dominionist who prays for a pipeline, who months ago says Hillary should hold herself to a higher standard instead of crying sexism, who now is using 'sexist' accusations to hide from the media. Corrupt politician with more earmarks than any other state running as a change anti-earmark reformer. She's an awful human being. She's Dick Cheney dressed as the sexy librarian, marketed as your mom. If the devil exists, he would present hismelf to the world as Sarah Palin.

Anyone who falls for her act has some severe flaws of character.

rot
Guest

a-fuckin-men!

I was getting nauseous just listening to her speech, which was punctuated endlessly with references to her family, you know that same family that is off limits to talk about.

also I gotta laugh: "you look like M. Night Shyamalan! Only white."

Rusty James
Guest

seriosly ????

"If the devil exists, he would present hismelf to the world as Sarah Palin."

I don't get it. She's certaintly a hardliner on abortion (not a big issue for me) but other than that she's completely innocuous. A pretty face to attract the cultural conservatives who don't warm up to mccain. I don't buy this questioning of her experience either. She's a governer. That should be good enough. Obama's experience is pretty light too.

Calling her a "christian dominionist" is out of left field. I thought her speech was light on policy (expected for a convention) but pretty endearing. I appreciated that she didn't bring up anything about "they gays" or "the atheists" trying to steal their bibles or creationism which supposedly she supports. She's not speaking for me and I'm not gonna vote for her but it was a political tour-de-force and I thought she came off very well.

I have no idea why Mike Rot was nauseous from her family. I thought they were charming. Many touching moments.

Also, I don't think mentioning her family or gender constitutes "hate speech" or whatever the fanatical right has been saying but I've been a little disappointed in my fellow social liberals this past week. I thought we were supposed to be against judging families for personal business and the gov sticking it's nose in the bedroom. Trig Palin's real mother / father is not anyones' business. It's conspiracy mongering at it's worst and it even if it's true (it's not. people who argue otherwise are as gullible as 9-11 truthers) it should be completely irrelevant.

Rusty James
Guest

oh yeah, I meant to say that for the greviances you listed "satan" seems a little out of proportion.

I'm not at all a fan of her position on hunting game from Airplanes or banning library books that offend her.

Firing-Her-Sister-ExHusband-Gate is a non starter but Her-Husband-Is-An-Alaskan-Seperatist-Gate is worth looking into. If Michelle Obama were rumored to be part of a seperatist movement it would be an international incident.

Goon
Guest

More experiene than Obama? Here comes long post:

First off, she's incompetent:

As mayor she presided over 53 employees and a 6 million dollar budget. Town doesnt even have a school system. Sheriff's office, police, library. That's about it. Obama has written/passed hundreds of pieces of legislation as a senator, and has represented a hell of a lot more people in Illinois than Palin has in Alaska.

Palin put her tiny town 20 million in debt, had her own lobbyist in Washington, is 1st in the nation in earmarks, while California, one of the biggest economies in the world, is 43rd. She's propping up Ted Stevens who is under investigation as well, and her biggest critic in Alaska is the Republican head of the state senate who says she is ruining the state because of her unqualifications and lack of focus.

Obama's campaign alone shows more organization, experience, and ability to lead than anything Palin has done. He's been managing millions of dollars and a large staff before she even ran for governor.

Alaska is the 3rd least populous state. Her biggest economic accomplishments were farming out a contract to Canada, and selling a plane on e-Bay (which despite her one liners, the plane never sold). One of her top credentials is 'being against the bridge to nowhere' which is absolutely 100% false – she lobbied for it of course and was offended her residents were being called "nowhere". McCain specifically in the last 3 years singled out her earmarks as examples of abuse – a "Pork barrell brincess"

And if you want to include the non-political experience stuff:

Palin graduated from University of Idaho for journalism.

McCain finished 894th of 899 in his military school

Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, and was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. Two books outlining his positions, writes his own speeches. 4 years in the national spotlight outlining his positions. Taught Constitunional Law for twelve years. Worked as a lawyer doing civil rights litigation and specializing in economic development for over a decade.

What does Palin's education as a journalist get her? A sportscaster job for a couple years and the ability to read zingers someone else wrote. Said last year she doesn't think about Iraq.

Somehow she got picked ahead of Olympia Snowe and Kay Bailey Hutchinson (if he really wanted a woman) and countless Republican governors (scandal-free ones too) including Huckabee who would shore up the same religious vote. Do you REALLY want to tell me Palin has as much experience as Obama? Is a year and half of badly running Alaska, and a while running a city out of a building smaller than a McDonalds? At 24 as a community organizer Obama registered more people to vote in Chicago then Palin ever had vote for her in Alaska.

"Calling her a “christian dominionist” is out of left field."

She's a member of the Assemblies of God, a speaking in tongues church that also has meetings to pray the gay out of people. There's video of her there praying for a pipeline. She's made statements that the good she does as governor is only for people who are right with God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k

"I thought we were supposed to be against judging families for personal business and the gov sticking it’s nose in the bedroom. "

The political side of a mom who is against abortion even in the case of rape or incest, and against comprehensive sex ed, having a teenager become pregnant, is relevant. The kid and her boyfriend are in a shotgun marriage (the guy said he doesnt want kids on his myspace, for one) to protect mommies political career. Then they took the two and propped them up on stage at the RNC to show off their family values: that somehow if you get married it makes it right? LIsten, when Jamie Lynn Spears got pregnant fucks like O'Reilly were saying its time to blame the parents, and that they were all 'pinheads' – how how ironic, he's protecting Palin.

My stance? If your child is pregnant before she WANTS to be, and you are against sex ed – you bear some responsibility – and its a little weird that ultra-mom would expose her to a national audience like she has. How'd you like it if for your parents' career you became tabloid fodder? But thats only the smallest thing about Palin thats wrong.

"Firing-Her-Sister-ExHusband-Gate is a non starter"

Politically no but its part of a pattern of her abuse of power that also includes firing her police chief for not supporting her, and trying to fire the librarian because she wouldn't allow Palin to ban books

BAN. BOOKS.

Sorry man, if Cheney was "Darth Vader", the book banning anti-abortionist who cites feminism but is doing everything she can to fight AGAINST the rights of women, including equal pay legislation, might as well be Satan to me. The reason her speech seemed more mainstream is simply because she didn't write it, period. More than any VP candidate in history she has gone the longest before facing the media for questions.. and her first interview will be with… ABC's Charles Gibson, who is a Republican – the closest thing you can get to FOX without being on FOX. She's in a bubble, she's there to shore up the rabid Christian base without having to do anything. It's the most blatantly, cynical political ploy in the world, and the fact it may work makes me want to vomit.

One more about getting into other peoples families, it reminds me of a joke McCain told in 1998 he may not want people to remember anymore:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father!"

Goon
Guest

lol, politics

Anyways, funny – this week a couple libertarians I know who didn't think Bush/Cheney were the worst thing in the world, got moved to finally register because of Palin

"The kind of person who goes in front of their church and says that the Iraq War is God's plan, is someone I have to actively protect this country from."

Goon
Guest

anyways, after my rage there…

listen, the satan stuff is for comedic/dramatic effect, clearly. She really is though, everything I hate in a politician in one. Something awful in a shiny attractive package – I guess kind of like the Men In Black II trailer. Caveat emptor.

I beat up on her, but its not her fault she got picked necessarily. I mean obviously she could (and IMO, should) have turned it down, but really its more about McCains judgment and finally completely bending over to the religious right in making this decision – THAT is scary, he's the one who could be in charge and he caved to Dobson's fundies in a hail mary pass. And that he's so old, with such a shaky medical history, that SHE could end up being president, is frightening. That's a huge freaking gamble he's making with the world for his own political purposes.

People like to downplay the VP picks, and maybe if you live in the US you can look at things that way, but listen – as a Canadian outsider, this is one of the most, if not the 2nd most, powerful person in the world, and its selected by one person, not by millions over the course of months, learning her positions with a constant vetting by the media. That McCain picked her of all people, after only meeting her twice, and is complaining about people trying to find out who she is, and is hiding her from the media now, leaves me completely aghast…

and frankly, angry. I've been angry all week that McCain, who despite disagreeing with politically, has always had my respect, has made the full transition now from Maverick Reformer to Reformed Maverick.. McCain has a good chance of winning, but he had to get there by turning his back on the biggest pieces of legislation he's written, turning his back on his torture stance even, and taking on as VP someone he would have once called an 'agent of intolerance'. and he's calling her his soulmate, but I think the man sold his soul.

And again, I don't mean it literally 😛

Henrik
Guest

I think Sarah Palin is hot, but I hope Obama wins. You'd think these people couldn't possibly elect another republican, but word has it it's close. But I think I will be happy with either outcome if they just don't start anymore wars. People deserve the government they tolerate.

rot
Guest

My issue with how she used her family is that 1) she employs a double standard where so long as it is to her benefit her family is on limits for observing, but when it is something not so beneficial to her, like her daughter's pregnancy, she asks that people do not probe into their 'private' life. uh huh, right.

2) what mother puts her daughter on the world stage under such scrutiny for her own political career? Something does not add up with that Rockwell portrait she was painting.

3) when Set 11th was happening Dick Cheney was responsible for what was to be done with the planes in the air at the time of the first tower collision, as Bush was enroute… putting the hockey moms for rapture aside, do you honestly think Palin is the person to be left with that sort of responsibility?

rot
Guest

also Palin was Pentecostal her whole life until six years ago… pentecostal, you know the kind of crazy that was in Jesus Camp, that talking in tongues to cardboard cut-outs of George Bush crazy.

Please God have mercy on us all.

murph
Guest

come on, the republicans don't stand a chance.

with that said, Palin is fucking HOT

Henrik
Guest

The fact that she's publically a religious nutter with a slutty teen for a daughter just adds to it for me. Definitely the hottest prez ever.

Goon
Guest

"The republicans don't stand a chance"

McCain is ahead in the polls. Mind you, that's right after their convention and doesnt mean anything in the electoral college – but he could very well win. And if he does, I'm giving up on America ever setting anything right after this. This is pretty much it folks.

Goon
Guest

btw, I dont find Palin 'hot' for the same reason I dont find Britney Spears, or Jessica Simpson, etc – hot. If I think you're a bad person or a dumbass, you lose your attractiveness. Period.

Rusty James
Guest

She edges out Geraldine Ferrera does she?

Henrik
Guest

I think Jessica Simpson is totally hot as well. The fact that she's a stupid redneck works perfectly for me the same way that the stories about Palin have rubbed me the right way.

Henrik
Guest

I can't find any pictures of Geraldine Ferrera on google unfortunately.

Rusty James
Guest

We should keep the political talk going.

Or you guys should start a political thread.

murph
Guest

"If I think you’re a bad person or a dumbass, you lose your attractiveness. Period."

that is the silliest thing in the world.

murph
Guest

i wish i could vote for Obama and Palin together

murph
Guest

and yes, only because she is hot. our country is going to be in trouble regardless of who gets elected, so why not go out with style (look at those glasses!)

Rusty James
Guest

I'm like more attracted to stupid mean people.

Goon
Guest

"that is the silliest thing in the world."

How so? Have you ever known someone who was only so-so looking, and getting to know them made them seem a lot better? Why wouldn't it work in reverse? Some people are so ugly inside that it influences my brain to simply look at them as the demons they are.

Henrik
Guest

Are stupid people really demons though? That's rather harsh.

Goon
Guest

its a figure of speech, Henrik :/

How about a film analogy instead… if someones a bad person, it feels like I have the "They Live" specs on and see something else entirely in a person.

Henrik
Guest

Yeah I understand it with people who are evil like republicans, but people who are just plain stupid? Why would that not be attractive? Jessica Simpson might annoy you saying mouses, but is she really a bad person?

Goon
Guest

Stupid is being a bit broad.. lets put it this way – we all have our own dealbreakers. I mean, I can't find Anjelina Jolie hot because she's an Ayn Rand freak, and there's probably no philosophy I hate more than Objectivism. Objectivists aren't 'duh' stupid, they're just stupid and offensive to my own political sensibilities. Then theres girls I kind of stopped liking after they turned out to be incredibly religious, or whatever. As for actual dumb/uneducated people, well theres things that go hand in hand with true idiocy that just combine into an overall turnoff. I'm not trying to say that my disinterest in them as aperson makes them hidiously ugly, I'm more or less saying that I don't feel any specific pang or tingle you're supposed to feel from looking at a good looking person. Instead of a sparkle in the eye you see a shark-eyed fuck or worse, absolutely nothing – straight through into a cartoon peanut inside with "Turkey in the Straw" playing. Maybe I'm confusing sexiness with attractiveness, inner beauty or outer beauty too much for you guys, but whatever. If I don't know someone, I'm more likely to be swayed to call someone hot or not than I am from actually knowing something about them.

Rusty James
Guest

Jessica Simpson's a republican though. She's a two-fer.

Henrik
Guest

Are you sure? I think like half the americans don't even vote, so I sort of pushed her in that segment. No need to sour the sweet fantasy juice.

Rusty James
Guest

I don't know if she votes but she shows up at fund raising events for the Repubs.

For the record, not voting doesn't necessarily make you apolitical.

Henrik
Guest

Meh… Who takes republicans seriously politically anyway… They're more like a gang of hobos than an actual political body – like religion, the only thing ruining the joke is all the people taking it seriously.

Goon, how weird is it to hate a philosophy? Objectivism reads like the usual academic mumbo-jumbo, basically saying that subjectivity is created from the human minds inperfections in perceiving objective reality. Why would you hate something as inane as that? You need to rise above that lame shit.

Angelina Jolie used to be smoking hot, before she stopped eating. Her face was gorgeus back in the Tomb Raider days, but her body was always messed up. Now everything looks creepy. For a more perfect example of insane hotness turned into wreckage, Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls vs. Lindsay Lohan in any other place and/or situation.

Rusty James
Guest

@ "Who takes republicans seriously politically anyway… They’re more like a gang of hobos than an actual political body"

Yeah but have you ever seen the Democrats? If you remove the issues the only party with any decency or integrity are the Libertarians. I dismiss the Greens because I hate hippies. The Libertarians are willingly disenfranchised because they are making a principaled stand against the corrupting influence of mainstream politics. The Greens just never ammount to anything because they're a bunch of hacky sack playing, 9-11 conspiracy mongering, environmentally alarmist, herbal coffee drinking, hairy women loving pot smokers who love government but hate America (that's backwards).

I'll probably vote for Obama, but the party is a disaster. I have no idea why anyone would ever admit to be a member of these monstrosities.

Henrik
Guest

Yeah I agree, but the issues make them slightly more sympathetic and gives you faith that maybe some of them are in it for things other than personal wealth.

Goon
Guest

"Meh… Who takes republicans seriously politically anyway…"

Take Repubilcans very seriously. As Palin continuing to repeat that she was against the bridge to nowhere long after its been absolutely proven false, it goes to show they have the ability to turn a 100 year old expression like 'lipstick on a pig' and turn it into a controversy worthy of 24 hour coverage. this last day in particular shows how good they are at exploiting just how dumb the media is, and how scared they are to call bullshit for fear of their jobs/looking biased.

I don't like libertarianism very much, I think if you actually applied their philosophy on a large scale it would be chaos – imagine privatized police and fire services itself. Its all well and good to question government, but they have too much faith in corporations to do the right think and assume you can actually vote with your dollar. Corporations are pretty much authoritarian and within them its just about the opposite of freedom as far as I'm concerned. Bush and Reagan's trickle down economic policy failures are proof enough that they will never do the right thing unless they are have the public eye square on them, which they never do until people start dying. And even then… how can you vote for your wallet re: health care? If you're sick, they won't insure you. if you do get insurance, you can't even guarantee they wont weasel out of it. in the end wow, you've got a country with several years lower life expectancy than most modernized nations, and who pay nearly double per capita on health care than those with universal health care…. i got sidetracked but its so damn easy.

Oh yes, anyways even though in Canada I am the kind of person that would at least sometimes vote NDP, I find them, the Greens, and the Libertarians, as such: Its very easy to be full of integrity and seem to stand for something more when you don't stand a chance of being elected into power. Parties that actually have to compete for votes will end up corrupted, but purely because of that – they have to win votes, they have to broaden their platform to be more inclusive and sometimes will contradict themselves and fail to reach their promises. That's the reality, and I choose to live in it. I don't like it, but it makes me cut Obama and yes, even McCain, more slack than I will cut Bob Barr, or Elizabeth May, and especially Ron Paul, who keeps being touted by his devotees as the ultimate solution but is seriously economically fully retarded and delusional. The only thing I can say for him is that its bullshit he got so much ignored, when he was drawing more people at his Minnesota convention than the Repubs were at theirs. They made a week long story out of the PUMA Hillary supporters but ignored the RNC's own failure to unite. But then again, I guess picking a looney tunes nutbar was enough to alleviate those concerns.

As for "hate America", that's the dumbest term in the entire world, and Its bullshit how its only used against the left. I mean seriously, Sean Hannity has books that in the title say liberalism is even on par with Nazism and Communism. How can you love America, if you hate half of it so much?

"Why would you hate something as inane as that? "

It helps when you know some Objectivists personally. I should have added 9/11 conspiracy theorists to my list too. They make the far left and so many libertarians look about as stupid as anyone from Phelps' church.

Jolie looked good in the "Gia" days sure, making out with the Juliet chick from "Lost". Her current bullshit aside, she's looking more and more like an alien.

Goon
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"For the record, not voting doesn’t necessarily make you apolitical."

I will dare say there's something mildly elitist about people who refuse to vote.

Example – are you pro-life or pro-choice? Because one party has two people who swear to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and there is one party who will not and have a 100% rating from NARAL. Do you care enough about womens rights, for example, to show up and protect them? There's a lot of single issues voters out there who care about their guns first, god second, and then everything else. Sometimes its dumb, but even then there are those who can absolutely convince me they have that right and go ahead. Myself, in this new Canadian election, I don't think much of Dion, and don't particularly like him or many of his policies. But I don't vote for him, I vote for my local riding leader and whoever makes up the party that wins is in power. So by voting for a local politican I like I'm essentially voting for him anyways. I'm also voting against the party that is proposing awful new copyright laws that go way too far.

I used to actually agree with you, but I don't anymore. To me, if you can't find a single issue you feel strongly about enough to vote on, you're either not paying attention or are too full of your own self-righteousness and think some self-defined 'integrity' is more important that helping or preventing at least one single piece of platform. it's the very least bit of actual work anyone can do to make the country a better place, and people who avoid that duty really do earn my scorn. Its cliche to say "if you dont vote you can't complain!" but at the very least it makes your complaining seem a zillion times more whinier than anyone elses.

Rusty James
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@ "Parties that actually have to compete for votes will end up corrupted, but purely because of that – they have to win votes,"

I agree with your analysis there. But it also follows that I find people who buy into the parties (like the DailyKos kids and the AM Radio monons) to be infuriating and completely delussional. It is not possible to misunderstand politics more severely than these people. I went Obama event at a bar held during the convention and I was completely put off by the people there. I over heard someone say that he doesn't volunteer any more because it is "comodifying politics" that guy is a pretentious idiot.

@ "As for “hate America”, that’s the dumbest term in the entire world, and Its bullshit how its only used against the left."

I agree. The vitriol on the right against ordinary families is absurd. You can see me speaking out against it here:

http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=4340#comments

@ "I will dare say there’s something mildly elitist about people who refuse to vote."

I agree again. Like I said I'll probably vote for Obama. I don't really go for making some aggrandizing holier than thou statement with my vote.

It's difficult for me though because my politics are sort of across the board.

By the way, how does the NDP stand on Canada's stringent hate speech laws?

@ "I think if you actually applied their philosophy on a large scale it would be chaos – imagine privatized police and fire services itself."

Here we find ourselves in strong disagreement. First of all you're attacking a total strawman. That's no even an extremist position. Even Ayn Rand (please do not mistake me for an objectivist) doesn't advocate that.

And libertarians are not pro-corpratists. Few liberals have a solid idea of what libertarians stand for. I will be the first to admit that the everyman for himself, to hell with others right wing sensibility is prevelant among libertarians and it's their most off putting quality.

But whatever, tree hugging new agey cultural sensitivity assholes are just as prevelent among Democrats. But the point is that these arent' necessary qualifiers.

Henrik
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My politics are these:

Communism doesn't work on humans, but the world would be a better place if it did.

Henrik
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"It helps when you know some Objectivists personally."

You should sort out your relationships. I have a sense it's probably the human beings in particular that are despicable, and not so much this little notion they grasped on to for legitimacy.

Rusty James
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We've had some pretty awesome political debates on this site:

http://www.rowthree.com/2008/07/04/today-we-celeb

http://www.rowthree.com/2008/06/09/religulous/