Comments on: Cinecast Episode 95 – Fcuking Amazing! http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/ Where Cinema is more than just $100 Million productions Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:15:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rusty James http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15304 Rusty James Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:00:07 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15304 I've read some of Eddie Campbell's solo work. I'm impressed with the artistry but his books dont grab me the way Clowes' does. I get immersed in Clowes' world. Ghost World the movie is a travesty. I’ve read some of Eddie Campbell’s solo work. I’m impressed with the artistry but his books dont grab me the way Clowes’ does. I get immersed in Clowes’ world.

Ghost World the movie is a travesty.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15292 Henrik Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:44:15 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15292 The artwork in From Hell is amazing. I think that The Killing Joke is extraordinarily beautiful as well though, I come back to that more often to look at the pictures than to read the story. The artwork in From Hell is amazing. I think that The Killing Joke is extraordinarily beautiful as well though, I come back to that more often to look at the pictures than to read the story.

]]> By: Matt Gamble http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15285 Matt Gamble Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:29:35 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15285 I'd argue Eddie Campbell is the most talented comic creator working today. From Hell isn't great simply because Moore is writing it, but because Campbell is probably the most talented illustrator he has ever worked with. As an added bonus Campbell's own books are fantastic. All of Rusty's suggestions are great. And while I prefer Morrisson in smaller doses (We3 & The Filth for starters) he is a fantastic writer. If you like him be sure to read Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis and Ben Templesmith's books. I highly recommend Ellis/Templesmith's Fell. It's fantastic stuff, that unfortunately, they only write every other month or so. Ellis is really focused in his storytelling, and Templesmith's artwork is fucking amazing. He's doing some really groundbreaking stuff with his inking and coloring, and he's a pretty good writer as well. I’d argue Eddie Campbell is the most talented comic creator working today. From Hell isn’t great simply because Moore is writing it, but because Campbell is probably the most talented illustrator he has ever worked with. As an added bonus Campbell’s own books are fantastic.

All of Rusty’s suggestions are great. And while I prefer Morrisson in smaller doses (We3 & The Filth for starters) he is a fantastic writer. If you like him be sure to read Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis and Ben Templesmith’s books. I highly recommend Ellis/Templesmith’s Fell. It’s fantastic stuff, that unfortunately, they only write every other month or so. Ellis is really focused in his storytelling, and Templesmith’s artwork is fucking amazing. He’s doing some really groundbreaking stuff with his inking and coloring, and he’s a pretty good writer as well.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15282 Henrik Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:31:24 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15282 Not only Americans, everybody, but I think America is the appropriate place to start. Not only Americans, everybody, but I think America is the appropriate place to start.

]]> By: Rusty James http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15274 Rusty James Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:52:11 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15274 @ "Funny Games US could actually be called the better film, because it’s directed towards the appropriate audience." Typical socialist presumptuousness. The film exists to lecture the brutish Americans for their inappropriate movie watching. We need to learn the right reasons for watching violence. In any case, there's no such thing as an animated snuff film. A snuff film is where the people on screen are actually killed. @ “Funny Games US could actually be called the better film, because it’s directed towards the appropriate audience.”

Typical socialist presumptuousness. The film exists to lecture the brutish Americans for their inappropriate movie watching. We need to learn the right reasons for watching violence.

In any case, there’s no such thing as an animated snuff film. A snuff film is where the people on screen are actually killed.

]]> By: Kurt Halfyard http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15237 Kurt Halfyard Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:25:46 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15237 Henrik. Tex Avery was one of the great Warner/Studio animators during the 40s-70s. Creditted with creating the stable of Looney Tunes characters (Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc.) Also, Red Hot Riding Hood, being one of his edgier classics, was taken as a starting point for the Jim Carrey movie, THE MASK (the character being a gigantic Tex Avery fan). Avery did insanely violent and sexually suggestive stuff in his animated shorts within the constraints of his times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Avery Henrik. Tex Avery was one of the great Warner/Studio animators during the 40s-70s. Creditted with creating the stable of Looney Tunes characters (Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc.) Also, Red Hot Riding Hood, being one of his edgier classics, was taken as a starting point for the Jim Carrey movie, THE MASK (the character being a gigantic Tex Avery fan).

Avery did insanely violent and sexually suggestive stuff in his animated shorts within the constraints of his times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tex_Avery

]]> By: Goon http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15236 Goon Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:58:25 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15236 I stand by my witty slam. I stand by my witty slam.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15224 Henrik Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:31:34 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15224 I mean if we're talking animated violence, Road Runner is insanely violent and portrays none of the consequences. But since it's drawn the authenticity of it is gone right from the beginning, so you can get away with anything. I mean an animated snuff film would hardly be anywhere near the experience of an actual snuff film. I don't care about violence in animation, I don't care about dishonesty in a world where everything is in primary colors, or animals talk or whatever other outlandish elements that forced it to be animated in the first place. I mean if we’re talking animated violence, Road Runner is insanely violent and portrays none of the consequences. But since it’s drawn the authenticity of it is gone right from the beginning, so you can get away with anything. I mean an animated snuff film would hardly be anywhere near the experience of an actual snuff film. I don’t care about violence in animation, I don’t care about dishonesty in a world where everything is in primary colors, or animals talk or whatever other outlandish elements that forced it to be animated in the first place.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15222 Henrik Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:22:08 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15222 What's Tex Avery? The problem with animation is that it's exaggerated. It works best when it's operatic in scope and drama (Prince of Egypt, The Lion King). What’s Tex Avery?

The problem with animation is that it’s exaggerated. It works best when it’s operatic in scope and drama (Prince of Egypt, The Lion King).

]]> By: Kurt Halfyard http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15220 Kurt Halfyard Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:39:05 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15220 But Goon. Henrik doesn't dig on those squiggly drawings that move around on the screen. To quaint for him. Especially the Japanese ones... ;) But Goon. Henrik doesn’t dig on those squiggly drawings that move around on the screen. To quaint for him. Especially the Japanese ones…

;)

]]> By: Goon http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15219 Goon Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:20:02 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15219 "Like in The Dark Knight when the joker is slamming against tables, punched in the face repeatedly and kicked around without any effect. It’s dishonest" Tex Avery would have aborted you. “Like in The Dark Knight when the joker is slamming against tables, punched in the face repeatedly and kicked around without any effect. It’s dishonest”

Tex Avery would have aborted you.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15154 Kurt Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:16:55 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15154 I don't think that is a uniquely american thing, the 'undisturbing violence' - Any countries action movies do not dwell on the full effect of the simplest violent act. Thrillers/Dramas/etc. (occasionally horror) handle this better, both in the United States and other cinemas. I don’t think that is a uniquely american thing, the ‘undisturbing violence’ – Any countries action movies do not dwell on the full effect of the simplest violent act. Thrillers/Dramas/etc. (occasionally horror) handle this better, both in the United States and other cinemas.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15147 Henrik Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:26:02 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15147 We already discussed this, but what I take issue with with american cinema, is not the disturbing violence, but the undisturbing violence. Like in The Dark Knight when the joker is slamming against tables, punched in the face repeatedly and kicked around without any effect. It's dishonest, and the problem is that people don't go "I can't do violence, so I'll have to find another way" they go "I can't do violence, so I'll pretend violence and lie my way through it". I hate that. We already discussed this, but what I take issue with with american cinema, is not the disturbing violence, but the undisturbing violence. Like in The Dark Knight when the joker is slamming against tables, punched in the face repeatedly and kicked around without any effect. It’s dishonest, and the problem is that people don’t go “I can’t do violence, so I’ll have to find another way” they go “I can’t do violence, so I’ll pretend violence and lie my way through it”. I hate that.

]]> By: kurt http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15143 kurt Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:00:02 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15143 Yea, the Japanese know what they are doing when it comes to the extreme. Just ask Mr. Miike and Mr. Tsukomoto. Funny, I saw Legend of the Overfiend in a rep cinema years ago in Waterloo, Ontario. Crazy. Yea, the Japanese know what they are doing when it comes to the extreme. Just ask Mr. Miike and Mr. Tsukomoto.

Funny, I saw Legend of the Overfiend in a rep cinema years ago in Waterloo, Ontario. Crazy.

]]> By: Goon http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15140 Goon Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:41:21 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15140 I don't know, when I think of the most disturbing violence, no violent American film I've ever seen can stand up against Hentai. Urotsukidoji:Legend of the Overfiend probably has anything else I've ever seen beat, perhaps now or ever. Tentacle rape > torture porn I don’t know, when I think of the most disturbing violence, no violent American film I’ve ever seen can stand up against Hentai. Urotsukidoji:Legend of the Overfiend probably has anything else I’ve ever seen beat, perhaps now or ever. Tentacle rape > torture porn

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15135 Henrik Mon, 25 Aug 2008 02:27:17 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15135 Maybe I should say MOST appropriate audience. I didn't mean to suggest it was the only appropriate audience. Maybe I should say MOST appropriate audience. I didn’t mean to suggest it was the only appropriate audience.

]]> By: Kurt Halfyard http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15132 Kurt Halfyard Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:26:00 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15132 You know Henrik, most countries love their onscreen violence, not just the US. Look at China's history of wuxia films. Look at some of the crazy violent stuff out of Russia lately. I know that Haneke has said that the remake was made in part because Americans won't read subtitles, and his original funny games was aimed at US film culture, but the more I think about it, the more I think it is simply everywhere. Given the US tends to be more puritanical when it comes to sex, and does tend to dominate world pop culture more than any other country, but I think if say FRANCE was dominant, you'd still see a lot of violence in mainstream cinema. You know Henrik, most countries love their onscreen violence, not just the US. Look at China’s history of wuxia films. Look at some of the crazy violent stuff out of Russia lately.

I know that Haneke has said that the remake was made in part because Americans won’t read subtitles, and his original funny games was aimed at US film culture, but the more I think about it, the more I think it is simply everywhere. Given the US tends to be more puritanical when it comes to sex, and does tend to dominate world pop culture more than any other country, but I think if say FRANCE was dominant, you’d still see a lot of violence in mainstream cinema.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15131 Henrik Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:19:27 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15131 Well I consider them the same movie, I just put the US in the title because Haneke did. But maybe Funny Games US could actually be called the better film, because it's directed towards the appropriate audience. Well I consider them the same movie, I just put the US in the title because Haneke did. But maybe Funny Games US could actually be called the better film, because it’s directed towards the appropriate audience.

]]> By: Rusty James http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15126 Rusty James Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:20:18 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15126 I would highly recommend Black Hole. Maus and From Hell are excellent as well and also Invisibles (or anything by Grant Morrison). James Strumm is a lesser known name that I'm a big fan of. Daniel Clowes is perhaps the greatest talent working in comics. Edging out Alan Moore only becaue Clowes is a penciler and writer. Funny Games US? Really? Maybe if I hadn't seen the original. I would highly recommend Black Hole. Maus and From Hell are excellent as well and also Invisibles (or anything by Grant Morrison). James Strumm is a lesser known name that I’m a big fan of.

Daniel Clowes is perhaps the greatest talent working in comics. Edging out Alan Moore only becaue Clowes is a penciler and writer.

Funny Games US? Really? Maybe if I hadn’t seen the original.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15122 Henrik Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:50:18 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15122 I must have missed all the greatness. I must have missed all the greatness.

]]> By: Kurt Halfyard http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15118 Kurt Halfyard Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:25:23 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15118 I have a feeling you are alone Henrik, if you think 2008 has been a better year for cinema than 2007. That may change by December. But I understand your previous comment you are saying Jan-Aug 2008 has seen more quality releases than Jan-Dec. 2007? Oi. I have a feeling you are alone Henrik, if you think 2008 has been a better year for cinema than 2007. That may change by December. But I understand your previous comment you are saying Jan-Aug 2008 has seen more quality releases than Jan-Dec. 2007? Oi.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15115 Henrik Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:32:15 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15115 "The year of the suck continues" Huh? I think this year has had more standouts in the theatre (Funny Games US, Children & Parents) than last year did for me. Definitely more than last year had at this point. “The year of the suck continues”

Huh? I think this year has had more standouts in the theatre (Funny Games US, Children & Parents) than last year did for me. Definitely more than last year had at this point.

]]> By: rot http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15113 rot Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:27:02 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15113 finally saw Tropic Thunder and Matt you are on crack. There was more strained comedy in Tropic Thunder than in Pineapple Express, sometimes it hit the mark but a lot of the time it missed. I mean all in all it is a good enough comedy but nowhere near Hot Fuzz or Pineapple Express. Now that the summer is over the stand outs for me were Pineapple Express Dark Knight Wanted The year of the suck continues... this TIFF line-up looks unusually weak but I guess I should see the films first. finally saw Tropic Thunder and Matt you are on crack. There was more strained comedy in Tropic Thunder than in Pineapple Express, sometimes it hit the mark but a lot of the time it missed. I mean all in all it is a good enough comedy but nowhere near Hot Fuzz or Pineapple Express.

Now that the summer is over the stand outs for me were

Pineapple Express
Dark Knight
Wanted

The year of the suck continues… this TIFF line-up looks unusually weak but I guess I should see the films first.

]]> By: Kurt Halfyard http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15111 Kurt Halfyard Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:10:36 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15111 I should have started with Stringer Bell (Idris Elba) who is both in 28 Weeks Later... and the upcoming RocknRolla. I hope that actor (along with the fellow who plays OMAR - also seen in Gone Baby Gone and the upcoming THE ROAD) gets more feature film roles. I should have started with Stringer Bell (Idris Elba) who is both in 28 Weeks Later… and the upcoming RocknRolla. I hope that actor (along with the fellow who plays OMAR – also seen in Gone Baby Gone and the upcoming THE ROAD) gets more feature film roles.

]]> By: rot http://www.rowthree.com/2008/08/19/cinecast-episode-95-fcuking-amazing/#comment-15098 rot Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:50:37 +0000 http://www.rowthree.com/?p=3929#comment-15098 Cedric Daniels is a mystery character on Lost now. Cedric Daniels is a mystery character on Lost now.

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