Women at the Movies: We’re Not There?
Simple biology will tell you that men and women are different creatures but for decades women have been fighting for the same opportunities as men and though I’m sure this particular debate would not likely make the top ten list of concerns for turn of the century suffragettes, it is one of concern to me and likely a large portion of women; even if they don’t realize it.
This all started as a rant after having read a post by Anne Thompson over at Variety titled “Summer Movies: Women Want Sex and the City”. That simple title caused me pause. The last time I checked (this morning) I was still a woman and I didn’t feel the need to see Sex and the City. I won’t begin to understand what Thompson intended with that title but that statement started to boil the blood. It was, however, Manohla Dargis’ article ”Is There a Real Woman in This Multiplex?” in the New York Times, which Thompson referred to, that pushed me over the edge.

To summarize, Dargis’ is referring to the apparent lack of films aimed at women which are opening this summer. Among the comic book centric action heroes, there are few films directly aimed at women. On the one hand I sincerely sympathize with Dargis’ view and on some level, I wholeheartedly agree with her. I too want to see films with female leads and heck, even comic book films with female title characters (where is the long gestating “Wonder Woman” adaptation?). I can’t, however, help but wonder if viewers aren’t doing it to themselves and more importantly if this notion that women and men want different things from their movies is completely accurate.
I won’t argue with anyone that tastes are varied but I believe it’s ludicrous to stand up and say that there aren’t enough movies for female viewers. I’m sorry but I must have missed the class where little girls were taught to love fashion, and only fashion, while men learned about sports. I realize we may be wired differently but it is unfair to think that just because we have breasts and different hormones, we cannot enjoy a good summer blockbuster, regardless of how male-centric it is. Just because the marketing campaign is targeting the 18-34 year old male does not necessarily mean that women are not going to see a film. Ignoring my past experiences with summer films for a moment, the screening of Iron Man that I attended last month was equally divided between men and women and to me, most of those women looked like they were having fun. I did not see teary eyes or sour faces suggesting they were dragged, instead, most of the women seemed to be genuinely interested in the film. My experiences with my local film group are even more telling – the majority of the group is female and most of the turnout for events seems to be female centric, regardless of the film. Are my group and my experiences an anomaly? Perhaps, but I find it hard to believe.
To make matters worse, it is not bad enough that the marketing geniuses and decision makers forget about the female demographic but now I have to read about the lack of women roles in movies and how the summer is male dominated. Yes, I see the point, I think we are fairly well aware of the situation but I do not agree that the lack of those female roles directly affect the number of women going to the movies. Female led films do not necessarily equate to women going to the movies. They are two separate issues and though they may have some small bearing on each other, one does not dictate the other.
Is the argument that women are not being catered to, valid? If one were to look at the number of films led by women in comparison to those led by men, one would assume that no, women are not getting the same amount of attention. Further, if we consider, as Dargis does, that people like to see characters they can relate to on the big screen, then yes, perhaps females are under represented. My response to that argument is that it seems exclusionary; almost as if saying that if you are not African American you will not get enjoyment from a Tyler Perry film, if you are a man you will not take anything from Sex and the City: The Movie and if you are not a man you will totally miss the point of The Incredible Hulk. Actually, my take on that argument is that you will not see those films – period. In reality, nothing is quite that black and white but by taking the argument to its most extreme, the core message seems to be just that. What really pickles me is that this argument doesn’t appear to hold any water. How many men can relate to a guy with anger issues that turns gigantic and green when his temper kicks in? I would say women and men are on the same playing field in regards to relating to a character like this one and essentially, to nearly all comic book heroes.

To be quite frank I’ve had enough with the argument that women are not being catered to. When studios decide to release films like Sex and the City: The Movie to appease the roaring vaginal crowds, I want to run the other way, hide in a closet and never come out again. More than that, I want to clock a producer and studio upside the head for assuming that because I’m a woman, I want to see a film full of product placement, bitchy women and dirty talk. I’m no prude but the film did push a few buttons. Do the bigwigs not understand that this is not making a difference? We don’t want to see movies simply targeted at women. We want to see good movies. Period.
First of all you (general, not you personally) ignore me (the woman) and then you offer me up this mindless tripe which comes across as some sort of afterthought to shut me up? Yes, please do use your already built in fanbase to add to your boxoffice, but please, do not belittle me by assuming it is the film that every woman has been waiting for since puberty. I am tired of having to defend myself to individuals who are up and arms that I, as a woman and a fan of film, did not run out to see the movie; never mind the fact that I had no interest in seeing it and only gave in so that I would not speak blindly about it when I mentioned it here - and I am positive that I am not alone. Though the film brought in good opening weekend numbers they were not “everyone and their mother went to see this” numbers. They were not Titanic numbers. And the argument that perhaps my tastes are not those of the average female film viewer does not fly with me. I love my share of female centric films – like my recent encounter with Then She Found Me, last year’s The Jane Austen Book Club and goodness, do not get me started on the number of times, this year alone, I have seen Joe Wright’s Pride & Prejudice. Not to mention the enjoyment I take from teen girl romances like A Cinderella Story and Chasing Liberty. I am just as needful, yes I sometimes feel the need to watch a romance, of sweetly romantic, even saccharin, stories but to assume that as a female, that is all I want to watch, angers me.

To be fair, I do not believe either Thompson or Dargis are suggesting that the issue is black & white as they both bring up cases in which films feature female leads who can cause some serious damage, Ripley in Alien and Angelina Jolie in the upcoming Wanted film but among the long list of male superheroes, it does look like women, and female crowds, are at a slight disadvantage. So what do we do about it? Do we stop going to the movies and sit out the summer and wait it out until the next romantic comedy? I’m not planning to. The simple truth is that women are, as Brad Brevet suggested in a recent editorial, overlooked and I would argue that one of the reasons for that is that men and women are not playing on an equal playing field. Reality is that sexism is very real and alive but in Hollywood, money talks louder than nearly everything else. If films with female leads were more successful, Elektra and The Invasion come immediately to mind, perhaps we would see more summer tentpole productions with women at the helm but I think it is unfair we pin it simply on the fact that women don’t want to see these movies when the truth is that no one wanted to see these movies. Does Hollywood expect women to settle for these poor offerings? It seems to me that if I, as a woman, want to see an action film, I have to choose from what is offered, even if I don’t particularly like the choices. That, right there is a problem – I want to have the choice of seeing a woman kicking ass, but the reality is that for whatever reason the studio cares to shell out, that film isn’t out there for me to see and that, in and of itself, is an altogether different problem.
Looking back at classic Hollywood, I can’t help but think that the fans of film in the early part of the century were better served than we are today. True, there weren’t the same number of films to choose from but the back catalog of great films with female leads/co-stars is astounding. On second look, those films attracted both male and female audiences. So what’s changed? The marketing and demographics have changed. The average movie goer is no longer the 30 something couple but the 13-18 year old group mob with no responsibility and a pocketful of disposable income. The changing demographic has also changed the type of films we are presented to the point where there is an over saturation of comic book and action properties on the big screen but this problem does not simply affect women but filmphiles in general.
As a woman and a lover of film, I do not simply want to see movies with female leads. I want to see movies with characters, male or female, that I can relate to, situations I can react to and stories that move me in some way but above all, I want a good film. What I don’t want is for someone to prop up a company that will focus on creating films that will simply pander to a female audience for the sake of making a few dollars and spouting comments like “We’re fulfilling a need for women’s films”. I just want to see a good film, regardless of who stars in it and who makes it. That is not too much to ask… is it?














I know the feeling, it encompasses more than films…
On one hand, I do feel like this world is appealing only to men, through the pointless violence, cars, sex…
But then I think about all the romantic comedies and ditsy films made for women, I can’t help but feel insulted there too, and I wonder if men feel just as uncomfortable with the idea that those things supposedly define their gender.
I think when it comes down to it, if a movie is genuinely well-made, it’s no longer about appealing to the sexes.
We need more good movies, not more “female” movies. Yes?
Also, I have an account here, and for the life of me I can’t remember my username… and can’t find the forums to check. Sad day!
Comment by Jezzy Arikado — June 16, 2008 @ 5:53 pm
It also occurs to me now that my “opinion” is really like a condensed form of your entire article. I apologize, it only means I agree with what’s been said. I think my wording may have seemed a little awkward…
Comment by Jezzy Arikado — June 16, 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Marina, I can tell you that you’re not alone. While I realise that the vast majority of people who have seen Sex and the City are women, that hardly means that every woman wants to see it. My best friend’s wife and my Number Two Best Friend both had no desire to rush out and see Sex and the City. I think the problem is that Madison Avenue long ago decided women want shallow characters who are interested in fashions and sex, not necessarily in that order. The problem with that is I do not believe that is what most women want. Most women want what most men want out of movies–films with good plots and three dimensional characters. Instead of creating empty headed product and marketing it to women, Hollywood needs to instead concentrate on making quality films which feature women in prominent roles. The first two Alien films are perfect examples, as are a number of the better Jane Austen adaptations.
Comment by Mercurie — June 16, 2008 @ 6:15 pm
Jezzy - I don’t take any offense at all to your comments because as you also point out, we’re in the same boat. I’d LOVE to see more films with female leads what I don’t want is for them to be more of the useless stuff we’ve seen until now. As you and Mercurie both point out, I think we just want to see more good films in general - and when a film does that, I think they do appeal to both genders. I hope I’m not over stretching to say that Baz Luhrmann’s upcoming “Australia” could fit that bill. But it saddens me that we only get one or two of those films a year.
Comment by Marina Antunes — June 16, 2008 @ 7:15 pm
Marina you are SO right here. What I think is interesting is that it goes both ways. A lot of men too, want just a good movie. Not a “guy’s” movie. I don’t necessarily need explosions and tits and ass to love a movie. Sure, I like a good shoot em up once in a while as much as the next guy. But for the most part, I just want a good movie - not what the studio thinks or assumes that someone of my demographic wants.
And similarly, I can quite enjoy a movie that is supposedly geared towards women. I can name a hundred of them (P&P, Notebook, When a Man Loves a Woman, While You Were Sleeping, THe Lake House (NOT the American version *shudder*), etc).
So yeah, just because a movie is supposedly “geared towards women” as the studio or society dictates, does not mean it is so.
Also I sympathize with your offense that something as inane and gratuitous as “Sex and the City” is automatically what the studio think a woman wants.
Comment by Andrew James — June 16, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Bette Davis, Katherine Hepburn, Marlene Deitrich. Where are your 21st century counterparts?
It’s not that there are fewer mainstream films aimed at women, it is simply that there are fewer mainstream films aimed at ADULTS. Even costume dramas (ELIZABETH 2, I’m looking at you) have gone the way of Bombast over human interaction.
Still, there are plenty of foreign flicks out there that offer rich and rewarding women’s stories: Persepolis, Yella, Pedro Almodovar’s entire filmography, also Wong Kar Wai (seriously, go See MY BLUEBERRY NIGHTS), Olivier Assayas, and Jane Campion when she can get a film together, she has one coming out in 2009. Todd Haynes is pretty good (SAFE, FAR FROM HEAVEN) and Sarah Polley’s AWAY FROM HERE is pretty solid. Mira Nair, Amy Heckerling, Sophia Coppola, Liliana Cavani and Lina Wertmuller all spring to mind. Eric Rohmer’s still making movies, isn’t he?
Comment by Kurt — June 16, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
Also, I can recommend danish female megastar director Susanne Bier.
Although I too prefer James Dean to Paul Walker, I don’t think that ‘classic hollywood’ deserves a tenth of the praise it seems to get everywhere. There’s plenty of stereotypes and excruciating pandering going on there as well!
I definitely wouldn’t recommend Pedro Almodovars filmography if you want stories about women, it seems to me he is much more concerned with the men who dresses up as women.
A fun thing in this vein could be to research wether Spike Lee films sell as many tickets in WASP-suburbia territory as in rural ghettos. Even though Spike Lee despises me, I enjoy his childish racism quite abit.
All in all, if what you’re really looking for is movies that portray women the way they really are, without any kind of pandering or other untruthful veils, there is one director I can recommend above all else:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000540/
Comment by Henrik — June 16, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
Marina: You want to see women kicking ass? Look eastward. Hopefully the Thai film, Chocolate, from the team that gave us Tony Jaa, will get a theatrical release. In the meantime, check out The Tiger Blade with two strong women on opposite sides of the law. Hong Kong films have had a long history of women of action, and if you haven’t seen it, I recommend Come Drink with Me, newly released on R1 DVD, starring Cheng Pei-Pei. Also, one of the best actresses working today is the Korean Moon So-Ri. Oasis is available. If you have a region free player, get a copy of Bewitching Attraction. By the way, Hong Kong has get a fair number of talented female filmmakers.
Comment by Peter Nellhaus — June 17, 2008 @ 12:47 am
To be honest, I do want to see films with female leads. I’d also like to see more women talking about film in general.
I don’t really have an issue with The Sex and the City movie as I believe it was geared at, like most tv tie ins, to fans of the show. But what I found it bizarre the influx of people wanting to get a womans point of view on the film. Not that I don’t think asking womens opinion on film isn’t great, it is but I’m sure tons of women saw films such as Iron Man, so why don’t men see (or want to talk about) Sex and the City?
I think a lot of that has to do with projection. Women are very used to not having a character to project onto in terms of film (or books for that matter), but in my experience men are less likely to go see a film with a female lead (non reviews that is) or without someone in the film that they want to be in some way.
But it isn’t like there is tons out there. I did a little look at what has been released so far in 2008. Out of the 148 films (released in Toronto), 28 had female leads. Half of those were romance and ‘relationship’ films. Which can be fine for what they are but I don’t think it’s fair to pet them as womens films. Yet, out of the 14 films left it’s interesting to note two of the titles: “The Forgotten Woman” and “The Unknown Woman”.
Many times when I’m at the theatre there the men outnumber the women by far. There have been a few times this year I can think of when this wasn’t the case (Then She Found Me, Enchanted, Eleven Minutes - Doc on Project Runway winner Jay McCarroll). But then again, I don’t tend to see films like 27 Dresses and Baby Mama.
I think there is a long way to go before it will feel balanced, if ever. I’m all for there being more great film out there in general. But, I think there is plenty of room for more great film great female characters, womens stories (that aren’t romance) and role models for young girls as well.
Comment by Shannon the Movie Moxie — June 17, 2008 @ 1:11 am
My “CHOCOLATE” DVD can’t get here soon enough. And because Peter brought it up, I’m more than happy to add my voice to the chorus of COME DRINK WITH ME. A film that I do enjoy at least once a year, and think any fan of good wuxia/martial arts cinema should have in their collection.
Comment by Kurt — June 17, 2008 @ 6:51 am
Thanks for the recommendations guys. And indeed, there are a fair number of international filmmakers making films with female leads. Though I’ve never looked for information, I’m curious on whether the disparity is the same in places like Japan or Thailand or even France or is North American alone on this one?
And Shannon, you bring up a great point about the disparity in the number of women talking/blogging/writing about film in general. I get the sense that we’re outnumbered there too.
Now that “Come Drink With Me” has been mentioned more than a dozen times, may be the right excuse to pick it up.
Comment by Marina Antunes — June 17, 2008 @ 9:56 am
My biggest problem with films especially in this summer season is not so much a man versus woman issue, rather then a adult versus a fourteen year old idiot issue. Frankly I think Sex in the City and The Hulk has more in common then they differ. Both seem shallow and stupid and directed towards an infantile mindset. The type of movies released at this time of the year has a lot to do with why I end up at an awful lot of documentaries.
Comment by Cheryl — June 17, 2008 @ 3:10 pm