Cinecast 84 – Uncommon Ground

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First Bite
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Kurt’s Review

Napakpapha Nakprasitte
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Canada’s Movie Guide: Cinema Clock


Inside
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– Andrew’s three word review (now that I’ve finished it): “OH. MY. GOD.”


Ils (Them)
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Femme Fatale
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Director Brian DePalma’s filmography


Hitman
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Director Xavier Gens, feature debut, Frontière(s) (IMDb)

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Broken Trail
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Stars of Broken Trail


Lawrence of Arabia
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David Lean’s filmography
Lawrence of Arabia


Walk Hard
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Jonathan’s RowThree review


Kiss Me Deadly
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Kurt’s Finite Focus feature on Kiss Me Deadly


BBC: Planet Earth
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Andrew’s review


DVD picks for Tuesday, March 24-31

Kurt: The Orphanage
Orphanage
Andrew’s Review

Andrew: The Savages
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kurt
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not our best show (by far!) but having looked up Broken Trails and seein that it was directed by the great WALTER HILL (!), I'm going to have a look for the DVD. Hill has been doing TV related stuff for a while, notably the pilot of DEADWOOD a few years ago, but he is one of those iconic directors of elevated b-films (The Warriors, Southern Comfort, 48 Hours, etc.) that I do enjoy.

Goon
Guest

gotta say this episode I think I have to step in and criticize Kurt for another show where theres an extended segment discussing a movie he hasn't seen, guessing what its like (Walk Hard). I mean, its not like theres a trailer out there. the movie exists and at this point its a little frustrating hearing someone discuss why they haven't seen it. I mean if you had a harsh angry reason why, some rant, it'd be worth listening to, but as it is its a little overexplained and hard to listen to. This has happened a couple times on the show with movies Kurt doesnt want to see… Andrew finds himself in the same position sometimes but he doesnt drag it out so much. I'd rather if Kurt doesnt have an interest in something, just say a few words and move on. I'd rather hear about what he did see and wants to see…

Goon
Guest

"Reilly’s part could’ve been done by anyone and it does seem to be beneath him."

On this I totally disagree. It's obvious from his work on that movie and in Talladega Nights, as well as his constant appearances on Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job, and Will Ferrell's "Funny or Die" online shorts, that he loves doing it. You act like he's Bill Murray having to settle for roles like Operation Dumbo Drop. He's happy doing it, he's good at it, and hell naw, not anyone could have been the Cox character. the actual recorded soundtrack is fantastic, and he TOURED it…. you know he did get a Golden Globe nom for that part, right?

I'm happy with any Reilly part, but saying he should stay away from comedy, is kinda… well, yeah, a little Matty Ballgame, if you catch my drift.

Aaron
Guest

Hey guys, good ramblin' show. Just to set the records straight, Richard Attenborough is still alive, apparently still directing as well.

Jonathan
Admin

Who thought Attenborough was dead? I'm still waiting desperately and patiently for his Director's Cut of Chaplin.

Goon
Guest

"He could be doing a bit more upscale comedy is all."

Every year the number of "upscale" comedies that comes out is… what exactly? See, as a comedy fan, this sort of shit pisses me off. People get sick of seeing Will Ferrell's schtick, or Jack Black's – comedic actors get chewed up and spit out, told they are 'over' unless they do, as you used as your example, a P.T. Anderson movie… a Boogie Nights for Reilly, a Punch Drunk Love for Sandler…

are comedic actors expected to keep finding these sort of things? those kinds of movies are fucking rare, and someone like Anderson isnt going to keep bailing these same people out to make them continually relevant. they're not going to keep casting Sandler to show the world he can do more.. They move on. I'm not much of a Sandler fan but I think he has justifiable reasons to go back to the trough.

"A bit more Magnolia and a bit less Talladega Nights." – I'm gonna have to say I liked Talladega Nights quite a bit. I'm not counting on Stepbrothers to be as fresh as their teamup was to me the first time, but oh well. I just can't sit around and wag my finger at Ferrell or Black or Sandler or yes, even someone supposedly "above" it like Reilly, for not putting out something at least the quality of say "Stranger than Fiction", once a year.

its just simply not feasible. It just ain't. There's not enough "smart" comedy to go around. Not even enough comedic roles in dramatic films. Reilly has a goofy side that he has found an outlet for, both in movies, the internet and on TV (seriously, have you seen his "Tim and Eric" appearances?). I say again, more power to him for tapping into every aspect of his personality, and snubbing his nose at people who think that since he's good at the art house roles that it means that's all he should do. Sorry man, I think you're in a total Ballgame position on this one. As a fan of a wide range of comedy styles I find critiquing someone for daring wade a bit into the muck, kind of condescending :/

Rusty James
Guest

Ugh,

Andrew, I give your Walkhard review skills an F.

"Upscale comedies" !?! Ugh, that sounds like some kind of critic double speak for pretentious pile of shit about people crying and learning life lessons. Maybe if their was an Ami Mann sing along it would've met your high standards for which movies Rielly is and isn't allowed to do.

And it's true that anyone could've played the role in the sense that any human being could've stood in front of the camera read the lines. But JCR's weird sense of humor was all over this character and Dewey Cox is much more than a Johnny Cash facsimile, although that dimension is something I appreciate about him.

I don't even think the film is all that great, but it doesn't deserve to be compared to Meet The Spartans. I don't even know what to say to that (except for all that stuff I just said).

Seriously, just terrible.

Kurt
Guest

@Goon. My 'comments without seeing' the film are generally me justifying the reason why I would not bother seeing it. After sitting down more with my local library and DVD collection, and the soul sucking Jan-April theatre going period, I must admit that seeing every movie that opens up at the multiplex (even the ones which star John C. Reilly who I really, really do cherish as an actor!). … "I’d rather hear about what he did see and wants to see…" I totally see you point on this, I'd much rather look forward to the positive, then dwell on the neutral/negative. I have to say that (which I believe I did in the cinecast, that MY BLUEBERRY NIGHTS and REDBELT are my most anticipated films in the next couple of weeks. MBN opens in Toronto (i believe) on May 16.

@Attenborough – OOOPS, I must have been confusing him with Richard Harris, I don't know why though!

Matt Gamble
Guest

To clear up Kurt's question about why his IMAX theater doesn't show 70mm prints, it is because IMAX film stock goes through the projector sideways, while your standard 35mm or 70mm print goes through a projector horizontally. As far as I know their are no Lawrence of Arabia IMAX prints, simply because it is such an expensive process to remaster the film and produce a new print.

Matt Gamble
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By horizontally I of course mean vertically. Duh.

Goon
Guest

"I fear Reilly is going down the same path. "

Reilly worked with Ferrell at possibly the height of his popularity on an Apatow related production, and worked on an Apatow written film during what is still a very high point for him. Stepbrothers is ANOTHER McKay film, which regardless of what you thought of Talladega Nights, was a pretty big success, and regardless of what you think of Anchorman, is pretty much a cult classic.

So lets not pretend he's Leslie Nielson, okay?

I mean, maybe you'd understand why I'm saying its condescending if I put it this way. We're looking down on these comedies because they have fart and piss and gay jokes, and Reilly is an established actor.

Well Amy Adams had an Oscar nom and a lot of cred, and she went and made "Enchanted", a Disney movie, which a lot of people, including one of this podcasts co-hosts 😛 – also inherently looks down upon. Imagine if you had to hear over and over that Adams was slumming and that they worry that she's going to somehow sabotage herself… it's a little annoying to see someone casually 'meh'd for a choice that they not only find fun, but the majority of the public found suited them well.

Let's take a look at what Reilly is doing now and has also done lately. He was in "Year of the Dog" which at least tries to be an 'upscale' indie comedy, "A Prairie Home Companion", "The Promotion" – written by the same guy who made "The Weather Man" and "The Pursuit of Happyness"… his current career path doesn't look that much different than what I'm used to seeing.

Goon
Guest

"If you want to watch Will Farrell churn out sports comedies/parodies for the next ten years, then so be it. I think he’s much better in films like Winter Passing or Stranger than Fiction. Sure I love the Old Schools and the Anchormans, but at some point those films just get tired. Adam Sandler is a GREAT example. Any movie where he does some stupid voice I’m automatically turned off from (this upcoming Zohan thing, judging by the marketing posters, looks awful). I’d MUCH rather see him in Spanglish, Punch Drunk or Reign Over Me"

as for the other part of this thing.

Again: tell me where anyone is saying we only want to see Will Ferrell doing sports movies. What I am doing is combatting the idea that he has to only move on to the upscale stuff. It is absolutely clear to me from Ferrell's "funny or die" stuff that he lives for his style of comedy, whether you find it played out or not. Just because you get tired of it doesn't mean he's not, others aren't and wont pay to see it. And even though I can't stand Sandler's movies over the last few years, I can grant him the same pardon. They, and Jack Black as well, have all shown that they can do both comedy and drama when they choose, however choose to do both. I can't stand the idea that Ferrell appears in "Stranger than Fiction" or Sandler does a P.T. Anderson movie and that they've "Graduated" and thus can no longer do what made them popular in the first place. I really honestly find that an annoying argument. Likewise it was annoying to hear Sandler fans shit all over "Punch Drunk Love" because it wasnt what they're used to seeing.

If you're sick of the schtick of some of these people, fine. Don't see their movies. I just can't stand having a finger wagged around at them for doing what earned them fans in the first place, fans that are still obviously paying to see them do what they like to do. Just realize those movies aren't made for you and move on. I get this annoyingly shitty feeling that some out there think Ferrell has 'captured' Reilly from their team and are fighting back.

Goon
Guest

one more point:

movies starring/co-starring John C. Reilly doing Ferrell/McKay/Apatow style comedy:

Talladega Nights

Walk Hard

Step Brothers

non-comedies starring/co-starring (and I dont mean part of a large ensemble "Magnolia" style cast):

Dark Water

…and they didnt even give him poster billing for that one. I think I can see why he would continue to make films where is is made clear he is appreciated. I have a hard time telling Reilly "hey, you should be in 5-10 minutes of Oscar bait movies for the rest of your career"

Goon
Guest

"But try some other stuff too (for my sake)."

They DO try other stuff. some succeeds, some fails. But every time something like Zohan comes around, people complain as if Reign Over Me doesn't exist, the "I thought we were past this now" lines start coming out.

"it shows he’s maturing as an actor"

"Watching them grow in their craft"

This is something everyone says, but can anyone explain what it really means to them? Isn't it a backhanded compliment reserved for comedy actors and musicians-turned-actors who surprise everyone with a dramatic performance? Isn't "mature" just Hollywood-speak for "doesn't do Walk Hard"?

I don't think choosing something different is 'growing in your craft'. It's just doing something different. Everyone wants to say someone is 'growing' when they branch into drama, but I don't think I'm going to hear someone say that Reilly 'grew in his craft' by doing Talladega Nights.

Goon
Guest

"Well the Amy Adams thing is a horrible comparison. She’s done one “silly” comedy and it was pretty original and critically acclaimed."

It was critically acclaimed and you know I loved it, but come on, we both know its the same story as "Elf". Adams has actually been mostly a comedy actress;
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0010736/

"Reilly’s done the same type of comedy three or four times now."

Coming from the Apatow extended family maybe you can say 'same type of comedy', but Dewey Cox and Cal Naughton are completely different characters. Would you accept someone taking a number of his supporting dramatic roles everyone loves and saying he's doing the 'same roles'. That't not Ballgame, man, thats Henrik talk. 😛

Henrik
Guest

I think it cheapens the performance if it's repeated in several films over a short period. Comedians fall prey to this time and time again. If the comedies had distinctly different feels to them, it would completely different. When somebody plays the same part in dramas over and over again they're critisized as well (like Michael Douglas with his getting-seduced movies for example).

Henrik
Guest

And Goon cut it out, I don't arbitrarily insult you whenever I feel like it.

Rusty James
Guest

@ "I didn’t compare WH to Spartans/Date Movie. In fact, I mentioned and made very clear in the podcast that they’re NOT similar."

Andrew, are you actually going to split that hair? Here are your exact words:

"and I don’t put it in the same league as inane bullshit like Epic Movie or Meet the Spartans, but it does come dangerously close to those."

Dangerously close. I apologize for saying you compared the two. What you actually did was accuse Walkhard of being some gateway drug to Meet The Spartans. I will make sure to observe that important distinction in the future.

Who's Matty Ballgame?

Andrew James
Guest

Matty Ballgame = filmspotting podcast.

C'mon. "WH" does do some pretty ridiculous stunts within its 90 minutes to make it IN SOME WAYS comparable to "Epic Movie" et al. But for most of it, it doesn't generally stoop to that level. There are plenty of truly funny, original things that don't attempt to go the slapstick/parody route.

So yes, I guess I compared a few specific scenes; but generally I would not put them in the same sub-genre.

And I don't dispute that Adams is generally a comedic actress, but the roles are so vastly different and the humor is so different (Junebug, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Enchanted, Miss Pettigrew) that I can't compare her to someone like Farrell or early Sandler.

Rusty James
Guest

@ IN SOME WAYS comparable to “Epic Movie”

Fine, you win, you were comparing it to Epic Movie.

Like I said, it's hardly a hair worth splitting.

Kurt
Guest

On the DARK WATER Remake – That is one seriously underrated tonal film. As remakes go, Dark Water was absolutely top shelf. Been meaning to buy that one actually.

On Enchanted. AmyAdams was slumming on that one, and she should be worried about her career prospects afterwards.. 🙂 OK, I jest, but Night At The Museum 2. Seriously? Ewww.

And I'll bite on the Walk Hard thing. Primary reason for not making the theatrical trip is that it was marketed like a "xxxx-Movie" parody. I know now that it is most certainly not of that ilk. I'll see it eventually, but it's not very high on my list, if I miss these types of films in the theatres, I rarely catch up with them. Home viewing of DVDs is generally for classics, foreign flicks or pre-1980s movies. I'm sure I'll accidently catch it on at a friends house or something at some point.

rot
Guest

I refuse to watch the Dark Water remake on the basis that my friend from high school was D.A. on the job and whatever films he works on turn out to be shit. Except the film school short that I acted in, which was elevated somewhat by my Kinskian performance.

rot
Guest

On a totally unrelated front, I just watched Two Lane Blacktop, a recommendation from many moons ago, and I have to say I really enjoyed it… it is truly something unique… although if I were to make comparisons it would be Stranger than Paradise meets Easy Rider. The americana nostalgia permeates the film… and to me… it is the film Brown Bunny desperately wanted to be.

swarez
Guest

Now I haven't seen "WH" but I got the feeling when I saw the trailer that it was a project that Will Ferrell was supposed to star in but couldn't for some reason so they went to Reilly. I didn't like Talladega Nights and I thought Reilly wasn't that good in that as well. Smelled like a poor man's Will Ferrell flick.

But now people are saying that it is actually funny and I really want to see it.

Marina Antunes
Admin

I liked "Hitman" – enough to buy the bloody DVD (used) and I'm totally looking forward to the "loudness" of Frontière(s).

As for "The Savages"…I actually really liked the opening credits of that movie but found the rest of it a let down from the entertaining opening. Yes, I'll give the performances some credit but I didn't enjoy the film – it was neither funny or heartwarming nor did it shed any new or even interesting light on the situation. I was disappointed by that one.