Cinecast 75 – 2008 Spectacular! Spectacular?


This Episode:
…a little chat about the weekend, looking ahead to 2008 and this week’s DVDs…

Unwrap the complete Show Notes…

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Show notes for Cinecast Episode #75

  • Intro music: :00 – 4:42
  • Opening chatter (stuff we watched): :35 – 13:05
  • Looking ahead to 2008: 13:06 – 1:57:23
  • DVD picks: 1:57:24 – 2:03:23
  • Closing thoughts: 2:03:24 – 2:03:23
  • Outro music: 2:03:07 – 2:07:55

Bumper Music by “The Black Crowes” and “The Samples”


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Films in 2008 Mentioned in Order:

One we didn’t mention that I VERY MUCH look forward to: Jonathan’s post

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Wall-E
The Dark Knight
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian
The Spiderwick Chronicles
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
Bond 22
Star Trek 11
Cloverfield
The The Poughkeepsie Tapes
[rec.]
10,000 B.C.
Iron Man
Speed Racer
Rambo
X-Files 2
Hancock
Hellboy II: The Golden Army
The Happening
Babylon A.D.
In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale
CJ7Marina’s post w/ trailer
Synecdoche, New York
My Blueberry Nights
Burn After Reading
The Changeling
Teeth
Where the Wild Things Are


The Road
Australia
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus
Be Kind, Re-Wind
Fanboys
Youth Without Youth
Persepolis
Coraline
Appleseed Ex Machina
Ponyo on a Cliff
Animated Batman
New York, I Love You
To Each His Own
Cassandra’s Dream
Jumper
Vantage Point
In Bruges
RocknRolla
The Band’s Visit
The Signal
Penelope
City of God
The Soloist
21
The Bank Job
Swing Vote
Paranoid Park
Snow Angels
Thaw
Son of Rambow
Wanted
Mongol
The Pineapple Express
Deathrace (3000)
Choke
My Name is Bruce
Virulents
Ant-Man
Winged Creaures
Ala Interior
The Battle for [Red Cliff]
Drone
Chocolate


The Machine Girl

Tropa de Elite
Mirageman
The Forbidden Kingdom
Once Upon a time
Linger
Red
Arn
Blood River


DVD picks this week:
Kurt:
Zodiac

Adam’s Apples

Andrew:
Zodiac

honorable mention:
Sunshine


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John Allison
Editor

Haven't listened yet but I did pick up the new Zodiac Disc plus also Man from Earth.

Henrik
Guest

***SPOILERS***

I saw Man from Earth after reading your review, and while I don't think that something as creatively inane deserves 5 stars, I thought that the material was strong enough to survive such a lacklustre production. Though the religiondiscussion seemed alittle forced and went on forever (I think that maybe I was annoyed with the debate also, because that one woman pissed me off – which is actually a good thing for the movie!). The man sort of seemed like the Ben Affleck in Pearl Harbor 'be-everywhere-that-something-happens' person who had just lived for 14.000 years, which I didn't really buy into so much, but I definitely liked John Billingsleys, Tony Todds and William Katts characters, and the science aspect of the film.

Henrik
Guest

I understand the ending because alot of people would need closure to a film like it, but I hate that they made a decision on that aspect of the film. I thought that was a shame, even if I did completely expect it.

Matt Gamble
Guest

They made an early factual mistake that people thought the world was flat when Columbus sailed for the Indias. In actuality, people had known the world was round for sometime, it's a myth that the general public thought otherwise. But after that the science was pretty damn sound. It made for a nice little film and I was glad I watched it.

It also reminded me of a little known Edgar Allen Poe short story called "Some Words with a Mummy". You might want to check it out Andrew.

Marina Antunes
Admin

I have no love for Conversations with Other Women. That film bugged me to no end and though I can appreciate the "experiment" of the split-creen, I liked Bruce McDonald's much more eccentric experiment better.

That said, I still enjoyed Aaron Eckhart's performance. Not so hot on HBC

Henrik
Guest

I appreciate a show without a bunch of reviews. Finally one I can listen to from beginning to end! Usually I don't listen because I don't want movies spoiled…

Roger Donaldson didn't direct Changing Lanes though. Roger Michell, who did Notting Hill and The Mother, directed that. A movie that should have been awesome, but sadly fell flat. There just wasn't enough emotional investment in the confrontations between the two leads, where the movie should have cackled, and the score was dreadful. It is an alright, fairly watchable film, but nowhere near an underrated gem. Neither is A Perfect World for that matter. Talk about a pandering feel good film based entirely in convention. And the kid is fucking annoying. I do share your Costner-love though. I was one of the few people who thoroughly enjoyed 'Open Range', and I do agree that 'Thirteen Days' is an amazing film.

If you actually go rent 'Adams Apples' and you enjoy it, you can go back and watch Anders Thomas Jensens previous efforts, 'The Green Butchers' and 'Flickering Lights', both of which in my opinion are superior films. Especially 'Flickering Lights' which is a movie beloved by every single person in Danmark, including myself!

rot
Guest

here's the poster for the Night M. flick: http://www.horror-movies.ca/AdvHTML_Upload/hr_The

another end of the world film that I am willing to go see… lowered expectations after the turd that was Lady in the Water

rot
Guest
Kurt
Guest

"If you actually go rent ‘Adams Apples’ and you enjoy it, you can go back and watch Anders Thomas Jensens previous efforts, ‘The Green Butchers’ and ‘Flickering Lights’, both of which in my opinion are superior films. Especially ‘Flickering Lights’ which is a movie beloved by every single person in Danmark, including myself!"

Don't forget WILBER WANTS TO KILL HIMSELF. Anders is pretty prolific.

Kurt
Guest

YEs, I mentioned my Mitchell/Donaldson error over in the BANK JOB thread, but it does bear repeating here. Not bad considering we covered more than four score films off the cuff.

Andrew James
Guest

@Henrik, you said:

"I appreciate a show without a bunch of reviews. Finally one I can listen to from beginning to end! Usually I don’t listen because I don’t want movies spoiled…"

Thanks for the feedback. This is the kind of thing I like to hear back about. When we do our reviews, we try really hard to not be spoilerific at all or even mention specific scenes, but I know exactly what you mean. While I love filmspotting, I never listen until after I've seen the movie they're discussing. So anyway, we'll maybe try to do some more stuff like this that isn't full of reviews for the full show. When we do have reviews, check the show notes for the track listing and you can skip ahead to the stuff you might care more about. Maybe we'll do more top ten stuff or editorial/old school discussion based stuff in the future.

Again, thanks for the feedback!

Henrik
Guest

Wilbuy wants to kill himself isn't an ATJ film though. He might have written it (he has had his hands on about 85% of scripts produced the past 10 years or so), but it's a Lone Scherfig film.

Marina Antunes
Admin

I'm sort of selective about listening to shows that discuss films that I've yet to see. It really depends on the movie. Sometimes I don't want to know anything and other time, I know not to listen to it until after the fact.

rot
Guest

Guy Pierce as the lead in The Road… thats kinda disappointing I really wanted to see Viggo do it. Seeing as the dialogue is sparse, at least in the book, I was thinking this would be a role conveyed largely through gesture, and Viggo's eyes could convey volumes.

Jonathan
Admin

I love Viggo and know he would have done great… but I think this is FAR more Guy Pearce's kind of role (see The Proposition for such quiet, unspoken brilliance – eyes conveying volumes, just like you describe, rot). Before he was even brought into the picture, after reading the novel, Pearce was my second choice for the role, only behind Gary Oldman.

rot
Guest

I'm commenting as I am listening…

Gus Van Sant: virtually everything he has done I can stand behind, even Psycho. I have not seen the one with Uma Thurman and I here that it was terrible, but he is one of those directors I will walk into a theater on name alone.

Paranoid Park is also very good, and a move away from the aesthetic of his life trilogy.

John Allison
Editor

Damn you for letting everyone know where my cool icon came from on the Movie Patron forum. 😉

I'm really going to have to track down Red. I love the movie May.

Of your list here are the ones I'm looking forward too:

The Road

Persepolis

Coraline

Ponyo on a Cliff

Animated Batman

Vantage Point

In Bruges

Mongol

Choke

My Name is Bruce

Ala Interior

The Battle for [Red Cliff]

Chocolate

Bond 22

The The Poughkeepsie Tapes

[rec.]

Rambo

Hellboy II: The Golden Army

CJ7 – Marina’s post w/ trailer

Synecdoche, New York

My Blueberry Nights

Burn After Reading

The Changeling

Teeth

Where the Wild Things Are

Primal
Guest

I'll be getting Sunshine and Zodiac. So you guys also hated the ending of Sunshine too, eh? I really like the movie and the last act of the film didn't bother me at all. I don't think the movie was original, but I thought it was a great love letter to all the space sci-fi fans. A bit of Solaris, 2001, Alien, and even a bit of Armaggedon.

John Allison
Editor

So I had my notes written up and planned on doing the Middle of the Row podcast tonight and then I listened to your guys podcast and realized that you covered every single movie I was going to talk about in my 2008 preview. Oh well, I'll get mine out on the weekend now.

Marina Antunes
Guest

The animated Batman film sounds fantastic. That put a smile on my face from ear to ear. Is it the "Batman: Gotham Knight" or does it have another title? I HAVE to keep my eye out for this one.

Also on Appleseed – still have to see the original. Picked it up at an HMV anime sale and still haven't seen it. Sounds like I have to get to it pronto.

Marina Antunes
Admin

In Bruges Trailer:

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And what…no love for Repo! The Genetic Opera – A Rock Opera / Musical? 😉

Goon
Guest

picked up the Zodiac 2 disc DVD.

gotta be honest. while I was only slightly miffed that this extended cut is only 4 minutes longer, so far i've fallen asleep during the extras i bought it for – twice. maybe its me but i dont know, pure talking head docs can rub me the wrong way if im in the wrong mood.

I ended up buying 3:10 to Yuma even though it wasnt in my top 10, even top 20 of the year. i just really wanted to see it again.

gotta give it credit, many of the problems i had with it first viewing, wash away somewhat with the repeat. It's one of those cases of a movie playing a lot better on DVD, it goes down easy and I noticed more how often the film is funny. Gotta say on the downside though, that Ben Fosters performance, while still awesome, does not seem as awesome somehow. I think in my head his role was bigger than it actually is, simply because he was so electric on the big screen.

andrew dykstra
Guest

i can't wait for The Road. pierce is going to own that thing. props on plugging The Proposition, jonathan. one of my top ten for '06.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

All of us around here love THE PROPOSITION. It's our 'group hug' movie at row three! 🙂

Marina Antunes
Guest

I re-watched Sunshine with hubby the other day and gotta say, I didn't have as much hate for the last 20 minutes as I did the first time I saw it. but the alternate ending? Still pretty crappy.

Marina Antunes
Guest

I have known the hubby to like less than good films but he really liked Sunshine – even with the uneven ending. It's true, it's no where near as stunning on the small screen but it holds up well and I think there's more to it than just knowing what was coming in the last 3rd. There some philosophical stuff in there that suggests more. Still agree that their way of getting to it is probably not the best one but I really think the shift in mood is easier to digest the third time around.

I like that movie more now than I did the first time I saw it. Thinking more on it, it's easily in my top 15 of '07.

Henrik
Guest

Sunshine has some visuals that I won't forget. Fantastic imagery and amazing music. In the end though, on the small screen I fear it will fall apart. I own 2001, and that is probably the superior film. There are some HORRIBLE actors in Sunshine like Rose Byrne. I fear I will just be more annoyed that I have to see these boring characters without personality go through these amazing experiences. At least Stanley Kubrick was able to recognize the effect the visuals would have on the actors. But I guess that's why he is (pretty much by consensus too, this is not just me being a pretentious asshole for once) one of the 3 best directors ever to have made a film, and the likes of Danny Boyle can only hope to approximate his films.

Goon
Guest

today I watched what I think I will count among my least favorite movies of all time:

The Thin Red Line

how this got 7 oscar nods I'll never know. I freely admit, I bought its blatantly pimped star studded cast… the majority of which are in the movie for only very few inconsequential minutes. the whole thing is a humorless pretentious black hole of "poetry" that of course ends up getting called a 'thinking persons movie'.

I've heard a lot of love for Malick from Andrew and Kurt, so I guess I'm baiting here. But seriously, I would be hard pressed to ever sit through anything else with his name on it after this.

Goon
Guest

edit:

*I bought it BECAUSE of its blatantly pimped star studded cast

Goon
Guest

(also, I've taken the liberty of finding a review that adequately expresses many of my problems, and i can add or expand to this later)
http://nowthis.com/writing/1999/thinredline.html

rot
Guest

Goon, you are baiting me as well, The Thin Red Line is one of my favorites. When I first saw it in the theater I thought it was bloated and pretentious, and it took a second viewing for me to have an epiphany and recognize how utterly brillant the film is. I can see both sides of valuing the film so I know where you are coming from, but much like Lynch films, if you cannot find an 'in' on an emotional level and let your analytical mind take a back seat then you will not enjoy this film, but what an experience when you give into the film. To me it is the finest musing on war and the neverthelessness of nature, the absurd struggle for grace amongst the carnage, it is something holy.

If anything my lesson in the last three years of watching cinema is to let go of the analytical preoccupation of viewing and let quality films seep into me, come to it as a willing listener without prejudging it. I feel I made mistakes with Lynch and Malick in the past, I could not get over my pressing ego infatuation with 'understanding' a film and evaluating according to how well I impressed myself with my understanding… to quote Marcellus Wallace 'Fuck Pride!'… Fuck ego!… Fuck the trivia significance of a film, the auteur mechanics of its creation (granted some films are solely these aspects because there is a market for that sort of thing), but in the process of this regimen for understanding one can interpet earnestness as pretention quite easily and disregard it all.

The Thin Red Line is an insanely earnest film, balls out on the table earnest. I do not excuse or validate it by that fact alone, coming to terms with that aspect is merely opening the right door to experience. I just know I walked in one day and every frame made sense.

Goon
Guest

see I've seen all these reviews saying the same thing as you have in all those paragraphs, just to me heaping praise on it without really explaining… why.

All I see is a three hour movie that neglects to give out very basic information, leaving many people stranded or forcing them to do research in advance or afterwords to understand things. there comes a point where you stop thinking "I dont know whats happening, I must be stupid" and go "No. fuck this, this director cannot tell a story".

I walked into this film with no knowledge other than that its a war film with Sean Penn, George Clooney and many others. Malick is simply unfair with a regular audience. I have no point of reference when or where this movie is taking place, Malick can't decide who the movie is about, the majority of the dialogue is pointless, and when it does attempt to say anything – the narration and flashbacks for example, all I hear is flowery shallow philosophy that feels so laughable that it was almost as if the Coens or Payne had written it to subtly mock these characters. The flashback scenes especially that end in the Dear John letter particularly are the most excruciating cliched dreck i've ever come across. This whole film is just packed with cliches actually – just about every goddamn death scene, ugh. The only difference is that they are wrapped in pretty pictures, which sorry, are not nearly pretty enough to make up for it. As nice as the one shot of the single tribesman walking across the field past them is, and as neat as the cutaway to the bird and the egg was during an action sequence, in a three hour movie this does nothing to excuse all that Malick has omitted which to me is a middle finger in the face of everyone who doesnt have prior knowledge of the subject matter. Even the title doesnt get a quote or reference in the film, which is funny because the quote its based off of has more poetry and relevance than anything spouted from these lousy bland characters. It was at least sort of watchable for the first two hours, and then every minute during the last was especially excruciatingly dull and bloated.

Theres difficult narrative and then theres abandoning the audience, and for that Malick can forever kiss my ass. I have not seen any defence of this film beyond flowered up ideas of beauty, poetry, etc – I say the emperor has no clothes.

rot
Guest

Hey Goon, fair enough, like I said I have felt wronged by Malick in the past. It is definately not a film for everyone, one needs to be on the frequency where the 'flowered up ideas of beauty, poetry, etc' are at the very least tolerated. You mention plot and characterization and I would say neither of those are the point of The Thin Red Line, anymore then they need to be in a poem. The film uses a historical war as a tableaux to play off its ruminations of man vs. man, man vs. nature, social vs personal ethics, identity through vocation versus identity through spirituality, etc… rather than using words solely, Malick is employing visual and aural accompaniment and creating a somewhat free-floating expression of human struggle.

I am curious: did you like Aronofsky's The Fountain or even Lynch's Inland Empire? I would consider them very earnest films that, depending on your frequency, may be perceived as pretentious twattle.

What's your frequency, Goon?

Goon
Guest

I could stand the Fountain – thats a divisive film but I was neither wowed or disappointed by it. I did walk into that one aware of what I was getting into though, so that affects things.

I'm not a huge Lynch fan either to be honest. I haven't seen Inland Empire and probably wouldnt unless it was on someone elses dime. From Lynch I've seen Eraserhead, Lost Highway, Blue Velvet and Mulholland Drive – didnt hate any of them, but again, was not wowed by them either.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Yea, we missed the new Fincher flick too. It's hard to gage with so many smaller titles coming out, and much of any website support and publicity being for the larger movies. IN the end there is always a couple dozen that come right out of left-field.

A phrased bandied around here a lot is: "Too many movies, too little time"

Kurt
Guest

I CAN'T BELIEVE WE FORGOT TO MENTION Vincenzo Natali's SPLICE!

major oversight!

Goon
Guest

I just saw Persepolis, perhaps one of the best animated films of all time…

..and yet its probably my new no. 4 of 2007, which says a lot about 07. Kurt, its playing at the Varsity in Toronto – if you intend to see it, SEE IT ON THE BIG SCREEN.

Aaron
Guest

You guys said that there were no big musicals this year, but I think that Momma Mia hits theaters at some point.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Hmmm, you're right on that Aaron, but is this a good thing? Band->Stage-Musical->Film…it's like a 'remake/re-envisioning' overkill (see also The Producers: Film->Play->Film or Lord of the Rings: Book->Film->StageMusical). Oi! My head hurts.

Aaron
Guest

Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to it or anything. It just looked like a big release in terms of the cast that's involved.

Kurt Halfyard
Admin

Otto. The first Gay Zombie Flick. Here is another odd-ball film that I wanted to mention but it slipped my mind during the "Spectacular, Spectaular?"

While It's unlikely to play outside the festival circuit, this is especially known to any Toronoto locals or festival goers who have taken in a Bruce LaBruce film, I'm looking foward to see how this thing turns out. It premiered at Sundance this week, so reviews should be starting to appear.

http://www.ottothezombie.de/syn.htm

some rather vague press pics here: http://www.ottothezombie.de/press.htm

The reviews aren't pretty, but I'm suspecting that the reviewers are unfamiliar with laBruces past films which quite often have pornography elements worked into them.

For my review of LaBruce's last film THE RASPBERRY REICH, head over here: http://kurtscomment.blogspot.com/2004/09/raspberr

Goon
Guest

Rambo is currently an 8.5 and in the IMDB top 250.

Meet the Spartans is no. 1 at the box office this weekend.

pray for nuclear holocaust.

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